Undo changes to Draconic Necklace?

[pjw]

The Draconic Necklace on live servers is now EXCLUSIVE. This brings it into line with the other clickies, except that it is still 1/shrine.

Any chance that this item could either (a) have the exclusive flag removed, or (b) become 3/shrine?

[sephiroth1084]

The Draconic Necklace on live servers is now EXCLUSIVE. This brings it into line with the other clickies, except that it is still 1/shrine.

Any chance that this item could either (a) have the exclusive flag removed, or (b) become 3/shrine?

Seriously, this ML 18 item should be more worthwhile as a clicky than the Planar Gird.

[Korvek]

Seriously, this ML 18 item should be more worthwhile as a clicky than the Planar Gird.

Maybe it's designed to be something more than just a clicky.

/Shrug

[Absolute-Omniscience]

Good change.

[bobbryan2]

Maybe it's designed to be something more than just a clicky.

/Shrug

Oh.. in that case it's a complete failure.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

Oh.. in that case it's a complete failure.

No ****, 90% of the sets are a complete failiure.

IMO

Good
Shintao
FB
Kotc
DoS
Defender

Decent
Tempest
Kensai
Ravager
Archmage (for +0,25 crit power, good if you have greater arcane lore)
Warchanter (-4 maximize cost, good for clerics / fs combined with necklace for sup potency VI)

[bobbryan2]

No ****, 90% of the sets are a complete failiure.

IMO

Good
Shintao
FB
Kotc

Decent
Tempest
Kensai
Ravager
Archmage (for +0,25 crit power, good if you have greater arcane lore)
Warchanter (-4 maximize cost, good for clerics / fs combined with necklace for sup potency VI)

Except that Dragon 'was' in the good category. But I guess it's moved from good to kinda ok.

Is that the definition of a good change?

[totmacher]

it's balanced: it's 1/day and as an exclusive clickie makes it so new players to the game aren't constrained to the overhead of finding a planar gird. you can still have multiple girds if you want successive greater heros, which will be priced in the market. it's a good thing for the game.

in conclusion, i think you're selfishly asking for something for nothing.

[Junts]

You forgot the +2 stacking ac bonus on the stalwart and siberys sets; those are quite worthwhile as well.

[Angelus_dead]

it's balanced: it's 1/day and as an exclusive clickie makes it so new players to the game aren't constrained to the overhead of finding a planar gird. you can still have multiple girds

Balance between items of level 8 and 18 is actually not desirable.

[Freeman]

Balance between items of level 8 and 18 is actually not desirable.

Unfortunately, they "balanced" quest XP along the same lines, so this wouldn't surprise me. Or did they not intend for some level 8 quests to give more XP than some level 18-20 quests?

[Angelus_dead]

Unfortunately, they "balanced" quest XP along the same lines, so this wouldn't surprise me.

They did not.

Or did they not intend for some level 8 quests to give more XP than some level 18-20 quests?

That does not indicate what you claim. Simply being higher level does not necessarily mean more XP is deserved; for example, there's a level 19 quest that's ten times shorter than a level 8 quest.

[Freeman]

They did not.

I seriously doubt they intended to do it, but unfortunately, the effect is the same regardless of their intentions.

That does not indicate what you claim. Simply being higher level does not necessarily mean more XP is deserved; for example, there's a level 19 quest that's ten times shorter than a level 8 quest.

The level does relate to how much XP is deserved. True, the length of the quest is a consideration, but that is not be the only variable. If a level 8 quest is the same length and difficulty(For an appropriate level group) as a level 18 quest, the level 18 quest should still give out much more XP than the level 8 quest. A shorter, less difficult level 18 quest should still often give out more XP than a level 8 quest, unless the differences become quite large.

In other words, I shouldn't run a level 8 character through Delera's and find myself remarking that the experience rewards are better than many of the level 18 quests I run, particularly when you take into account the relative difficulty of the quests.

[pjw]

in conclusion, i think you're selfishly asking for something for nothing.

Actually, value judgements and abuse aside, I am just asking for something that SOME players already have to be made available to all players again. I am also asking for a ML18 bound item to be superior to an ML11 item.

[Junts]

I seriously doubt they intended to do it, but unfortunately, the effect is the same regardless of their intentions.



The level does relate to how much XP is deserved. True, the length of the quest is a consideration, but that is not be the only variable. If a level 8 quest is the same length and difficulty(For an appropriate level group) as a level 18 quest, the level 18 quest should still give out much more XP than the level 8 quest. A shorter, less difficult level 18 quest should still often give out more XP than a level 8 quest, unless the differences become quite large.

In other words, I shouldn't run a level 8 character through Delera's and find myself remarking that the experience rewards are better than many of the level 18 quests I run, particularly when you take into account the relative difficulty of the quests.

I'll give you this much and this much only:

the exp reward for bastion of power should be doubled

The others are proportional to their difficulty; they're easy ass quests.

[bobbryan2]

I'll give you this much and this much only:

the exp reward for bastion of power should be doubled

The others are proportional to their difficulty; they're easy ass quests.

Monastery is still worth like 20k for a first time bonus. That's an easy ass quests.

The Amrath ones are definitely harder than the Reaver's Refuge quests in my opinion (with the obvious exceptions of Shipment and Wrath)

[pjw]

Any chance that this item could either (a) have the exclusive flag removed, or (b) become 3/shrine?

OK...I got negative rep for this...is there any way I can see who gave it to me? Or positive for that matter?

[Arnya]

OK...I got negative rep for this...is there any way I can see who gave it to me? Or positive for that matter?

No, but you can make an educated guess based on the comments on this thread.

Look at the green bars - it takes more than the 6 I have to give neg rep - 1500 rep I have been told....

If you got more than one neg rep, then someone other than the someone I guessed is also neg repping ya

[FluffyCalico]

OK...I got negative rep for this...is there any way I can see who gave it to me? Or positive for that matter?

Since Borror0 has made it clear he will neg anyone who complains about neg rep I am pretty sure when he sees this you will have some more comming

[pjw]

Since Borror0 has made it clear he will neg anyone who complains about neg rep I am pretty sure when he sees this you will have some more comming

lol...oh no.

Just to make it clear, I was not complaining, just asking how I could tell who did it. Now I know, and can now feel comfortable in ignoring it, given the likely source.