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    Default Please Remove Firewall Spell

    The wall of fire spell is way too overpowered. A single firewall can output more damage than a single tank for the same duration of combat. Also when casters are running monsters trough the aoe it tends to lag out the servers. Thanks for the nerfs Turbine, have a good day.
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    /signed

    This game needs more nerfs.
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    /signed

    Implementing a drastic change that will p*ss off a lot of players is exactly what turbine needs to do right now.
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    exactly, thanks for proving my point, Malarkey.

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    Here we go again....
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    They already gimped it as of mod 6.

    Ofcourse it's still totally overpowering prior to that, but so is fireball, and all other nuke spells.
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    I never had firewall lag.
    Sure it's not your computer slowing down?

    Casters are very squichy, they should have alot more dps then fighters.

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    There is no spell called "firewall." It must already be removed.

    Perhaps you meant "Wall of Fire?"

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    /NOT SIGNED,


    It has been nerfed in the past. It is NOWAY as powerful as it can be. It ias the first major spell that arcanes get that can do mass descruction on a massive scale, thus allowing them (average arcanes, that is) to remove themselves from coattails of other classes and starting them on the first steps of godhood...

    Why ruin their fun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspenor View Post
    There is no spell called "firewall." It must already be removed.

    Perhaps you meant "Wall of Fire?"
    bah! now you are just playing with your food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mani View Post
    The wall of fire spell is way too overpowered. A single firewall can output more damage than a single tanks for the same duration of combat. Also when casters are running monsters trough the aoe it tends to lag out the servers. Thanks for the nerfs Turbine, have a good day.
    Sounds like someone's fighter got stomped in kill count by a caster for the first time today

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    A round of applause for Sohryu, please.

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    If the AI was good enough to recognise "OUCH, FIRE BAAAD!", then it wouldn't be a problem.

    The problem is with the AI being too stupid to even attempt to avoid the firewall, not with the firewall itself.

    That said, the way it's used in most circumstances borders on an exploit, and I'd request either a fix to the AI or the *temporary* disabling of the spell until such time as it is. However, since AI is such a ridiculously large and complicated thing to be re-engineering, and with the lack of commercial focus on DDO, I'd suggest that's likely to happen exactly never.


    Let's face facts here. Firewall isn't going anywhere, and everyone will continue to exploit its brokenness in the game engine. It wasn't in the original rollout of the game, and it's quite obvious to see why. The game can't handle it. It's just that nowdays it's one of the 'must have' spells in the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorWhofan View Post
    snip
    Did someone roll a 1 on detect sarcasm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mani View Post
    The wall of fire spell is way too overpowered. A single firewall can output more damage than a single tank for the same duration of combat. Also when casters are running monsters trough the aoe it tends to lag out the servers. Thanks for the nerfs Turbine, have a good day.
    Firewall is too aggressive and mean. We need to replace it with butterfly wall. Or wall of hugs and kisses.
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    The only problem with firewall is not having it.

    The game (specifically undead heavy quests like the necropolis) has been balanced assuming you have it.
    It is overpowered at low levels, and almost manditory for many of mid-level quests and the only reason why acid/lighting spec casters are not a viable option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soubal
    The problem is with the AI being too stupid to even attempt to avoid the firewall, not with the firewall itself.
    In module 9, the fact that many humanoid casters and archers do frequent 20 foot steps when someone is relatively close to them or is within a persistent effect means that they typically will run out of the effects after it hits them a couple times and now try to not run back into the effect if they can path around it easily enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vhlad
    Firewall is too aggressive and mean. We need to replace it with butterfly wall. Or wall of hugs and kisses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soubal View Post
    If the AI was good enough to recognise "OUCH, FIRE BAAAD!", then it wouldn't be a problem.

    The problem is with the AI being too stupid to even attempt to avoid the firewall, not with the firewall itself.

    That said, the way it's used in most circumstances borders on an exploit, and I'd request either a fix to the AI or the *temporary* disabling of the spell until such time as it is. However, since AI is such a ridiculously large and complicated thing to be re-engineering, and with the lack of commercial focus on DDO, I'd suggest that's likely to happen exactly never.


    Let's face facts here. Firewall isn't going anywhere, and everyone will continue to exploit its brokenness in the game engine. It wasn't in the original rollout of the game, and it's quite obvious to see why. The game can't handle it. It's just that nowdays it's one of the 'must have' spells in the game.
    LOL, firewall, an exploit, that's a good one!

    Can we say the "e" word on the forums now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivanto View Post
    Did someone roll a 1 on detect sarcasm?
    IT's before the caffiene has hit the system.
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    <sarcasm DC="32" Type="Will">
    Rejoice, OP!! Turbine has heard your pleas for mercy, and has granted your fondest wish!!

    We give you Orthons, Bearded Devils, Pit Fiends, and Horned Devils!!! Now, when you DO see a Wall of Fire, you can just laugh at the noob caster who probably just sh*t their pants, and pressed the wrong key by accident.
    </sarcasm>

    You do realize that other people are in the game for reasons other than to help you boost your kill count, right?

    I'm really curious to know what exploit Soubal is refering to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sohryu View Post
    Sounds like someone's fighter got stomped in kill count by a caster for the first time today
    Lol, +1 Rep, this actually made me smile for the first time today.

    P.S there is nothing more satisfying that throwing down a FireWall and standing there blocking in it with your Massive SkyVault Sheild and taking no damage.

    Other caster run around and jump in them like they drank to much Gasoline in their day . .
    Last edited by poonce; 09-20-2009 at 01:38 PM.

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    Deffo signed /sarcasm ON/

    remove haste, rage, blur, displacment, grter hero too while you re at it. Oh ye and remove bards from the game too, and clerics for that matter.

    Now go swing your axe, move along move along.

    Just so you know OP, WoF aint at all as useful at end game.

    /sarcasm OFF/
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