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**ShadowHand2** · 07-29-2009, 03:43 AM

Can I have a Dev or the like show me the link or area that states the Reputation system is a rule that we HAVE to use or is it in fact merely a system. A system is not the same as a rule...and as such if we do not want to be a part of a option where is the rule that says we have to use it? The disable option is not a disable option it only removes the view of your points you do not want to be a part of. So are we forced to use a system that is not a rule?

Again, just a link that shows we HAVE to use it or a place where we can opt out of a system/tool on the forums?

**smatt** · 07-29-2009, 03:58 AM

Unless it's changed from version 3.5.1, this is version 3.7.1 V-Bulletin won't allow a single user to be removed from the reputation system.

It makes no difference when it's turned of nobody can see nobody cares anyways

**Aranticus** · 07-29-2009, 04:02 AM

Originally Posted by ShadowHand2

Can I have a Dev or the like show me the link or area that states the Reputation system is a rule that we HAVE to use or is it in fact merely a system. A system is not the same as a rule...and as such if we do not want to be a part of a option where is the rule that says we have to use it? The disable option is not a disable option it only removes the view of your points you do not want to be a part of. So are we forced to use a system that is not a rule?

Again, just a link that shows we HAVE to use it or a place where we can opt out of a system/tool on the forums?

there is no rule to say you have to use it. you can choose to give positive or negative rep. however, there is no way you can choose not to recieve positive or negative rep

systems are not rules but they are not something you can just ignore too. take macdonalds as an example. their system is you queue up, order food, get food, pay and you bring food to your table. try bypassing the system and you will find that you will not get served (unless special reasons ie in a wheelchair)

tolero made a post just a couple up from yours in the rep thread that seems to imply that the rep system will be there all along and there is no way to turn it off

**Aranticus** · 07-29-2009, 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by smatt

Unless it's changed from version 3.5.1, this is version 3.7.1 V-Bulletin won't allow a single user to be removed from the reputation system.

It makes no difference when it's turned of nobody can see nobody cares anyways

if you check his posting history, you will know why he cares

**ShadowHand2** · 07-29-2009, 04:56 AM

Originally Posted by Aranticus

if you check his posting history, you will know why he cares

Pointing out someone's history that is not on topic is not needed or wanted...stick with that post and stop bring negative attention to fellow posters like you just did.

Add something insightful and helpful or walk away. I ask for a link to show where we HAVE to use it. If there is no rule then then there is no obligation. It is a system not a rule check your facts before responding will be helpful to us all.

**Rilean** · 07-29-2009, 05:04 AM

Originally Posted by ShadowHand2

Pointing out someone's history that is not on topic is not needed or wanted...stick with that post and stop bring negative attention to fellow posters like you just did.

Add something insightful and helpful or walk away. I ask for a link to show where we HAVE to use it. If there is no rule then then there is no obligation. It is a system not a rule check your facts before responding will be helpful to us all.

Dude wanting something insightful on these forums isnt realistic situation now is it

**ShadowHand2** · 07-29-2009, 05:05 AM

Originally Posted by smatt

Unless it's changed from version 3.5.1, this is version 3.7.1 V-Bulletin won't allow a single user to be removed from the reputation system.

It makes no difference when it's turned of nobody can see nobody cares anyways

But where is it listed we signed up for a system? A rule yes DDO can change rules as they see fit. Yet a system is not a rule it is merely a tool. A tool we are forced to be a part of even if we wish to disable it since it is flawed. If lie detectors were 100% accrute...why are they not allowed in a court of law. They are flawed tools designed for show, and not a law or a rule.

Again, I wish to be shown a link or place where I or others signed on to be forced to use a tool? Be part of a system whether we like it or not....how is that allowing choice? Where is freewill? Options to disable is a lie as you are still part of the "system" So either we have no choice and are being dictated by others or give us a real option on user panel to disable a tool.

**ShadowHand2** · 07-29-2009, 05:12 AM

Originally Posted by Rilean

Dude wanting something insightful on these forums isnt realistic situation now is it

nor is thinking people really use debate rules either...it is simply does not exist.

**Aranticus** · 07-29-2009, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by ShadowHand2

But where is it listed we signed up for a system? A rule yes DDO can change rules as they see fit. Yet a system is not a rule it is merely a tool. A tool we are forced to be a part of even if we wish to disable it since it is flawed. If lie detectors were 100% accrute...why are they not allowed in a court of law. They are flawed tools designed for show, and not a law or a rule.

Again, I wish to be shown a link or place where I or others signed on to be forced to use a tool? Be part of a system whether we like it or not....how is that allowing choice? Where is freewill? Options to disable is a lie as you are still part of the "system" So either we have no choice and are being dictated by others or give us a real option on user panel to disable a tool.

i have never let the rep system stop me from anything. as of now, the only people able to give neg rep out is probably the devs (and possibly borror0). whatever bad rep you recieve is likely going to come from them. they define whats right and whats wrong. is it foolproof? no, they have their bad hair days

if there is something on it, look in the official reputation thread. yeah you could start your freedom of speech rabble again but i suggest you read up about it. i'm not american but spent a year studying american history and i can tell ya your rights doesnt apply here

**ShadowHand2** · 07-29-2009, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by Aranticus

i have never let the rep system stop me from anything. as of now, the only people able to give neg rep out is probably the devs (and possibly borror0). whatever bad rep you recieve is likely going to come from them. they define whats right and whats wrong. is it foolproof? no, they have their bad hair days

if there is something on it, look in the official reputation thread. yeah you could start your freedom of speech rabble again but i suggest you read up about it. i'm not american but spent a year studying american history and i can tell ya your rights doesnt apply here

Incorrect freedom of speech on the INTERNET is upheld by the US Supreme court....but you knew that right? Try again. Off topic and a derailment. Where is the link as I have ask from above?

Ps...for your education of the 1st Amendment on matters of on the INTERNET.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom..._United_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...Ashcroft_(2002)

one of many cases, all of which have nothing to do with my post. Please stay on course and stop derailing. If not giving me a link or such I have nothing more to say to you.

**Aranticus** · 07-29-2009, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by ShadowHand2

Incorrect freedom of speech on the INTERNET is upheld by the US Supreme court....but you knew that right? Try again. Off topic and a derailment. Where is the link as I have ask from above?

Ps...for your education of the 1st Amendment on matters of on the INTERNET.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom..._United_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...Ashcroft_(2002)

one of many cases, all of which have nothing to do with my post. Please stay on course and stop derailing. If not giving me a link or such I have nothing more to say to you.

lol

**TechNoFear** · 07-29-2009, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by ShadowHand2

Incorrect freedom of speech on the INTERNET is upheld by the US Supreme court

but your location states Australia....

Australia does not have protection of freedom of speech, apart from being a signatory to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

**ShadowHand2** · 07-29-2009, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by TechNoFear

but your location states Australia....

Australia does not have protection of freedom of speech, apart from being a signatory to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Location does not say nationality now does it? Do not assume. And back to the SUBJECT as I posted above please.

**Borror0** · 07-29-2009, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by Aranticus

the only people able to give neg rep out is probably the devs (and possibly borror0)

The list is longer than that. You have to add Impaqt, Draccus, Jerry, Strakeln and Big-Dex.

I might be missing one or two, though.

**Aranticus** · 07-29-2009, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by Borror0

The list is longer than that. You have to add Impaqt, Draccus, Jerry, Strakeln and Big-Dex.

I might be missing one or two, though.

even then these people have shown much better restraint (and morals) than to hand out neg rep for no purpose

**Aranticus** · 07-29-2009, 06:35 AM

Originally Posted by ShadowHand2

Location does not say nationality now does it? Do not assume. And back to the SUBJECT as I posted above please.

like i said, posting in the official reputation thread will probably serve better and possibly even get tolero to comment on it. the subject could be what you listed but the intent could be more...

**Borror0** · 07-29-2009, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by Aranticus

even then these people have shown much better restraint (and morals) than to hand out neg rep for no purpose

Oh, no. We have formed an alliance (BMRVOFS - Big Meanies Randomly Violating Others Freedom of Speech) in which we have sworn to hand out negative reputation for no purpose. Tolero, Tarrant, Patience and the Cube are also members of the alliance.

Basically, we open a forum page, roll a 20 and give neg rep to the person which post corresponds to the dice roll.

**Aranticus** · 07-29-2009, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by Borror0

Oh, no. We have formed an alliance (BMRVOFS - Big Meanies Randomly Violating Others Freedom of Speech) in which we have sworn to hand out negative reputation for no purpose. Tolero, Tarrant, Patience and the Cube are also members of the alliance.

Basically, we open a forum page, roll a 20 and give neg rep to the person which post corresponds to the dice roll.

lmao

**uhgungawa** · 07-29-2009, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by ShadowHand2

Yet a system is not a rule it is merely a tool. A tool we are forced to be a part of even if we wish to disable it since it is flawed.

It's not flawed, nor are you forced to use it. The choice is yours to use the forums or not, and to post on them or not.

**uhgungawa** · 07-29-2009, 07:30 AM

Oh, and Borror0 is the Grand Poobah of the BMRVOFS - Big Meanies Randomly Violating Others Freedom of Speech. I spotted them having a meeting in the Salty Wench tavern the other night. They seemed to be plotting your downfall

/tinfoil hat on

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