Beating a dead horse with TWO-WEAPON FIGHTING.

[Mr_Ed7]

Ok, I get it fighting with two-weapons you do alot of damage, but does that mean every melee I build should do so?

I think there are enough two-weapon blenders outthere don't ya, so some of us can go back to using shields and shooting bows?

[Mhykke]

I think there are enough two-weapon blenders outthere don't ya, so some of us can go back to using shields and shooting bows?

No.

[VKhaun]

Ok, I get it fighting with two-weapons you do alot of damage, but does that mean every melee I build should do so?

I think there are enough two-weapon blenders outthere don't ya, so some of us can go back to using shields and shooting bows?

Shields, not just 'all blocking' but it says specifically SHIELDS, will be made more responsive in mod9, and glancing damage will have that DR really matter. Depending on how skillful you are, shields might have a role against enemies throwing out lots of glances and special moves and the like. Might. I hope so. I really like the style of a shield user in DDO personally.

Bows will probably always be laughable. :P

[Minor_Threat]

why do you keep starting new threads to post small comments?

why don't you gather your thoughts and post them in one coherent post.

ps... cool story bro.

Ok, I get it fighting with two-weapons you do alot of damage, but does that mean every melee I build should do so?

I think there are enough two-weapon blenders outthere don't ya, so some of us can go back to using shields and shooting bows?

People can use whatever weapons they want, many choose TWF because it is very nice DPS. Who are you trying to criticize? No one is forcing you to do anything.

[Valezra]

Play whatever you like man. But don't post any S&B build on the forums that isn't a tank and expect the majority of people to give positive or useful feedback.

Want to make a S&B Intimitank? Plenty of help from the community.

Want to make a S&B Cleric? Plenty of help from the community.

Want to make a S&B no-intimidate healing Paladin? Expect jokes and "/reroll" replies.

Like I said before... if you want help making a very good Pure Pally build we would be glad to help.

Val

[Mr_Ed7]

why do you keep starting new threads to post small comments?

why don't you gather your thoughts and post them in one coherent post.

ps... cool story bro.



People can use whatever weapons they want, many choose TWF because it is very nice DPS. Who are you trying to criticize? No one is forcing you to do anything.

What small comments? That seems subjective to me.

Apparently got your attention though, probably best to ignore the small comments, eh?

However I had to address that once again it has been suggested to me to make my character a two-weapon fighter.

Three different styles of builds, all should be two-weapon fighters...?
Strange that people should always go there.

It is as though, what you like, what may be part of a character background is just tossed aside for the stacking of numbers.

I like the TWF, I have it on ONE of my guys, but not all of them...

[Mr_Ed7]

Play whatever you like man. But don't post any S&B build on the forums that isn't a tank and expect the majority of people to give positive or useful feedback.

Want to make a S&B Intimitank? Plenty of help from the community.

Want to make a S&B Cleric? Plenty of help from the community.

Want to make a S&B no-intimidate healing Paladin? Expect jokes and "/reroll" replies.

Like I said before... if you want help making a very good Pure Pally build we would be glad to help.

Val

Will not there be any other intimatanks out-there? There should be, I already have 2! Got an s&b cleric.

I never asked for your kudos..
I was not POSTING A BUILD, for one I don't do BUILDS.

I got a guy that does all these useful things, you don't like him don't play with em.

AND On the same note Don't get all cat****y with me because I don't listen to the same rock and roll as you do.

[Minor_Threat]

I bet people ask you, "Huh?" a lot.

might want to figure that out.

Seemed like Val was being straight with you, why the attitude?

[Mr_Ed7]

I bet people ask you, "Huh?" a lot.

might want to figure that out.

Seemed like Val was being straight with you, why the attitude?

HUH?

No attitude on this end...

[valorik]

whoops wrong thread

[Minor_Threat]

HUH?

No attitude on this end...

[toughguyjoe]

I personally enjoy THF over TWF< but i agree that i am losing DPS, its just more my style. However, I have a S&B healing paladin! Hes a hlfling named Uuncle. No joke. Hes capped and is specced for LoH, Healing with halfling marks. I played him for some time and ran him through shroud and everything.

Hes a bank slot now. It just didn't work FOR ME. I made his AC as high as i could get it and it became respectable, but i had no intimidate as he was my first Pally. His DPS IS SO LOW.

HOW LOW IS IT?

Its so Low It took me more than twenty seconds to kill a pillar in titan that was at ten percent.

You don't want to know How long it took me to prep the pillars, and that was with help.


So i'll probably delete him and make a Human Paladin with a greataxe that fights THF and has correct skills and such to make him a cohesive part of an end game raiding party.

Who knows. Right now hes carrying some cool stuff. But hey, Make whatever you want Ed. I'm sure I won't see you except in passing anyway.

[toughguyjoe]

No.

(Standard): You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Mhykke again.

[Mhykke]

But hey, Make whatever you want Ed. I'm sure I won't see you except in passing anyway.

See what he did there?

[sigtrent]

Ok, I get it fighting with two-weapons you do alot of damage, but does that mean every melee I build should do so?

I think there are enough two-weapon blenders outthere don't ya, so some of us can go back to using shields and shooting bows?

You can build characters for lots of reasons.

1. You want to maximize some kind of game rule
2. You want to look cool
3. You want to simulate some famous or personally vested previous character.
4. You are trying to be effective but take an unpopular or novel strategy.
5. You are experimenting with the rules
Etc...

If you are making a DPS machine... well its hard to go wrong with TWF at the moment.

THF is decent and can work great on the right character as well but its currently more specialized.

Sword and board is not meant to be the DPS king, its a defensive strategy. Want a "balanced" character? Thats good too but its unlikely to impress anyone.

My main is not a TWF specialist or a THF specialist or a Sword and Board specialist. He just uses whichever technique is most effective at the time. When playing DPS I go with TWF 85% of the time, and THF about 15%. I use a sword and shield when I pull more agro than I can handle or when I intentionally want to tank rather than kill stuff, or when I'm running around getting pelted by arrows and such. I pull out a bow when a bow is useful, which is say around 10% of the time in most quests.

The thing is, you can't really build for sword and shield use in a meaningful way. You can make a tank, but only a small part of that build is about the shield. You can specialize in bow, but its not that rewarding as it isn't a really strong DPS technique except in certain situations. TWF and THF are definately things you can build into your character. It doesn't mean you have to always use Two weapons or a two handed weapon, but when you do want to do DPS, you will have a very strong profile for doing so.

[Leyoni]

Ok, I get it fighting with two-weapons you do alot of damage, but does that mean every melee I build should do so?

I think there are enough two-weapon blenders outthere don't ya, so some of us can go back to using shields and shooting bows?

Even though my signature features Leyoni, most of my builds are warrior types -- rangers, fighters or barbarians.

If a ranger then TWF.

If a fighter then TWF.

If a barbarian then TWF or THF.

In all cases, if there are enough feats, do both.

Why? Because THF does more damage when there are lots of mobs around you. Glancing blows really are useful. But, TWF is the choice for single enemies or end fights. Then again, I also carry around a bow on most of the characters for those rare ranged moments. And, most also have a shield for when AC & DR really matters -- particularly blocking DR.

[Valezra]

I bet people ask you, "Huh?" a lot.

might want to figure that out.

Seemed like Val was being straight with you, why the attitude?

I was wondering the same thing. Getting tired of being nice to someone who is not listening to reason.

Val

[Valezra]

I never asked for your kudos..
I was not POSTING A BUILD, for one I don't do BUILDS.

Let me help jog your memory. http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=190155

Val

[Mr_Ed7]

Even though my signature features Leyoni, most of my builds are warrior types -- rangers, fighters or barbarians.

If a ranger then TWF.

If a fighter then TWF.

If a barbarian then TWF or THF.

In all cases, if there are enough feats, do both.

Why? Because THF does more damage when there are lots of mobs around you. Glancing blows really are useful. But, TWF is the choice for single enemies or end fights. Then again, I also carry around a bow on most of the characters for those rare ranged moments. And, most also have a shield for when AC & DR really matters -- particularly blocking DR.

That's GREAT! Great for you, really its cool.

If I to build a crack-team of killers then maybe I shoud do just 10 charaters of TWF...

[Valezra]

That's GREAT! Great for you, really its cool.

If I to build a crack-team of killers then maybe I shoud do just 10 charaters of TWF...

Finally! You're talking some sense. It's really nice to see you coming around bud.

Val