I hope you realize...

[GeneFrenkle]

Mod 9 - there is no timeframe / release date yet.

What that means to us: At some point in the future, could be soon, or could be month(s) from now they will announce the "target" release date. The actual release date will likely be 2-3 months from the time of the announcement. There will be updates to the test servers, additional beta testing an bug fixing, etc during that waiting period. In all likely hood they will do everything in their power to get the release for mod 9 out by the announced date just because it's been so long overdue.

If you think Turbine is going to come back next week and say "Here it is guys, mod 9 ready to go for download", you are mistaken. If they were to make an announcement this month, expect the date to be somewhere in the August to September time frame. So, just accept that they are doing what software developers do, creating software and it takes a lot of time to make it robust enough for commercial use.

It's going to be a while, at least a few months or longer before Mod 9 is up on the servers, so get used to the idea.

There's no one holding a gun to your head forcing you to stick around in the game, so if you don't like it then don't stick it out.

[die]

im going too vomit... we are so screwed

[BattleCircle]

Heh, and we just might get to preview mod10 before 9 is live

[WeaselKing]

My theory is that they will announce a new date less than one month from that date. You see if they announce a date further out than that then they run the risk of large numbers of players cancelling their subs until that time. With a month (billing cycle) or less this is not as likely. My theory anyway.

[Drwaz99]

My theory is that they will announce a new date less than one month from that date. You see if they announce a date further out than that then they run the risk of large numbers of players cancelling their subs until that time. With a month (billing cycle) or less this is not as likely. My theory anyway.

You make a good point, but I would also suspect that many also sign up for 6 mo or yearly plan (when you could get them for 9.99) and have no choice but to stick around. But The OP is correct, we are much further off than we think, there is no way they are going to pop up ans say SURPRISE Mod 9 is a week away. I hope for mid/late June, expect early Aug at the very earliest.

I just thank god I got in on 9.99. The $30+ I saved waiting for mod 9 is almost 2 tanks of gas!

[TheGreatEye]

I agree with the OP. Why not just relax about it. If you cant do that, then cancel. Come back when mod 9 is out... or not. If you truly think Turbine is screwing the pooch here, talk with your feet.

I for one took an extended break from the game back when level cap was 10. Did me a world of good, and put an end to the frustration of logging on and being bored.

[Strakeln]

Sitting back and taking it is not effective at all, as we have repeatedly proven over and over.

However, one person can't make them wake up, and we've shown next to no ability to organize and express our dissatisfaction (see: attempted forum boycott due to removal of WDA).

The real problem here is that people think that taking things laying down is the only option. That's a rather poor way to go through life. Reminds me of something that happened just last week:

A buddy of mine needed a ride to the dealership to pick up his vehicle from an inspection. We arrived at 5:35, he asked me to wait just in case something goofy happened. About 10 minutes later, he comes back and asks if I can drive him home. Apparently he spoke to a service guy, who told him that they have a hard stop at 5:30, all computers are shut down, he's SOL, no vehicle for you.

AND MY BUDDY JUST TOOK IT LAYING DOWN!!!!

So I reminded him who the boss was. It's not the service guy, it's the customer. And I told him to follow me back in, that I'd straighten this out.

Ten minutes later, he drove away in his car (I used the "I'm not going away until you fix this" approach, worked like a charm).

We can make Turbine shape up, but not if you're willing to let them walk all over you.

I wonder what Turbine would think about the fact that they are the butt end of many jokes here at my place of employment. So far as I know, I'm the last remaining DDO player here... and everyone seems to take particular delight in asking me questions like:

"Did that mod come out yet? Is it ever coming out? Are you sure it exists? Why do you still play that game?". I typically can't answer the last question very well.

This is the opinion that people who DON'T PLAY THE GAME have developed as a result of Turbines handling of mod 9. Way to go, Turbine!

[Drwaz99]

Sitting back and taking it is not effective at all, as we have repeatedly proven over and over.

However, one person can't make them wake up, and we've shown next to no ability to organize and express our dissatisfaction (see: attempted forum boycott due to removal of WDA).

The real problem here is that people think that taking things laying down is the only option. That's a rather poor way to go through life. Reminds me of something that happened just last week:

A buddy of mine needed a ride to the dealership to pick up his vehicle from an inspection. We arrived at 5:35, he asked me to wait just in case something goofy happened. About 10 minutes later, he comes back and asks if I can drive him home. Apparently he spoke to a service guy, who told him that they have a hard stop at 5:30, all computers are shut down, he's SOL, no vehicle for you.

AND MY BUDDY JUST TOOK IT LAYING DOWN!!!!

So I reminded him who the boss was. It's not the service guy, it's the customer. And I told him to follow me back in, that I'd straighten this out.

Ten minutes later, he drove away in his car (I used the "I'm not going away until you fix this" approach, worked like a charm).

We can make Turbine shape up, but not if you're willing to let them walk all over you.

I wonder what Turbine would think about the fact that they are the butt end of many jokes here at my place of employment. So far as I know, I'm the last remaining DDO player here... and everyone seems to take particular delight in asking me questions like:

"Did that mod come out yet? Is it ever coming out? Are you sure it exists? Why do you still play that game?". I typically can't answer the last question very well.

This is the opinion that people who DON'T PLAY THE GAME have developed as a result of Turbines handling of mod 9. Way to go, Turbine!

Interesting analogy, but totally different circumstances and unfortunatley there really is one way we can force a hand, cancel superscriptions. Do you know what happens then? No mas DDO. We could all right letters, which promptly get thrown in thrash. Email or Pm's are easier to be rid of.

Since you used a dealership as a analogy, say you want a very specific car and only one dealership has it, but they tell you they won't have any in stock for another 3 months, which turns into 6, but you REALLY want the car. I'd bet you wait, no matter how frustrated you got becuase you know there is nothing you can do, other than retract and hope for your deposit back. In the end you have nothing. Is that what you want here?

So instead of coming up with analogies that don't accurately portray the situation, how about coming up with an idea that no one else has?

[Strakeln]

Interesting analogy, but totally different circumstances and unfortunatley there really is one way we can force a hand, cancel superscriptions. Do you know what happens then? No mas DDO. We could all right letters, which promptly get thrown in thrash. Email or Pm's are easier to be rid of.

Since you used a dealership as a analogy, say you want a very specific car and only one dealership has it, but they tell you they won't have any in stock for another 3 months, which turns into 6, but you REALLY want the car. I'd bet you wait, no matter how frustrated you got becuase you know there is nothing you can do, other than retract and hope for your deposit back. In the end you have nothing. Is that what you want here?

So instead of coming up with analogies that don't accurately portray the situation, how about coming up with an idea that no one else has?

Hate to inform you, but the example wasn't an analogy. It's talking about taking things laying down and considering that the only option - much like you are doing here, not about specific methodology to follow.

I notice you used the phrase "...and hope you get your deposit back". That's exactly the kind of way of thought I'm talking about. And if they say "no", let me guess, you'll say "okay" and lose the deposit, right? In other words, you'd take it laying down, wouldn't you...

As far as coming up with an idea that no one else has... really? You can't think of a single thing? Do you really want to admit that? Well, no worries, there are plenty of ways to get Turbine to listen. Unfortunately, most require participation from people on these forums, who apparently prefer to take things laying down. One person cannot make Turbine change, but as a group we can. You just have to get off your ass. Something this community has shown it will not do. (Here's an example for you...) might have even worked if more than one person (me) participated. But no, the community would prefer to sit on their ass and whine rather than do something about it... and here we are, almost a year later, no WDAs.

Maybe next time, when someone tries to step up and do something, you'll actually lend a helping hand instead of taking it laying down. I won't hold my breath.

Edit: because I know you'll be saying "you didn't provide a solution!!": you seem to forget that canceling one's subscription is not an overnight task. One way we could get Turbine's attention would be to organize a mass "recurring payment" cancellation. Since the only way to kill off recurring payments is to cancel your account, we could round up everyone with a month or more left and ask them to cancel their recurring payments (cancel their account until payment becomes due). Organize it so that everyone who participates inputs the same thing in the "why did you cancel" box. Say, something like "LACK OF COMMUNICATION FROM TURBINE." All it would take is maybe 100 participants for Turbine to take notice... but if we could get 1000, I bet we'd see change immediately.

Can you imagine that executive meeting?
Tolero: "1000 subscribers canceled on Tuesday, they all gave the same reason: lack of communication."
Turbine CEO: "From here on out, I expect every dev to post three times daily on the forums."

It's one example off the top of my head, it catches their attention without hosing us out of the game. There are plenty more ideas where that came from.

[soupertc]

Hate to inform you, but the example wasn't an analogy. It's talking about taking things laying down and considering that the only option - much like you are doing here, not about specific methodology to follow.

I notice you used the phrase "...and hope you get your deposit back". That's exactly the kind of way of thought I'm talking about. And if they say "no", let me guess, you'll say "okay" and lose the deposit, right? In other words, you'd take it laying down, wouldn't you...

As far as coming up with an idea that no one else has... really? You can't think of a single thing? Do you really want to admit that? Well, no worries, there are plenty of ways to get Turbine to listen. Unfortunately, most require participation from people on these forums, who apparently prefer to take things laying down. One person cannot make Turbine change, but as a group we can. You just have to get off your ass. Something this community has shown it will not do. (Here's an example for you...) might have even worked if more than one person (me) participated. But no, the community would prefer to sit on their ass and whine rather than do something about it... and here we are, almost a year later, no WDAs.

Maybe next time, when someone tries to step up and do something, you'll actually lend a helping hand instead of taking it laying down. I won't hold my breath.

I think maybe you should just quit or take a break for a bit if this game and the lack of the MOD or WDA's or any type of communcation is causing you the kinda grief it seems to be. I'm not a lay down kinda guy....and I'll stand up for my rights....but I have to say in the grand scheme of things DDO is pretty far down on my list of things to be taken care of. Yeah I spend $60 every 6 months...and yeah I'm a bit bored from time to time...but this whole thing is getting out of hand. When it's time to call something quits you normally get clear signs....I think you are there sir....of course that is just my opinion.

[Strakeln]

I think maybe you should just quit or take a break for a bit if this game and the lack of the MOD or WDA's or any type of communcation is causing you the kinda grief it seems to be. I'm not a lay down kinda guy....and I'll stand up for my rights....but I have to say in the grand scheme of things DDO is pretty far down on my list of things to be taken care of. Yeah I spend $60 every 6 months...and yeah I'm a bit bored from time to time...but this whole thing is getting out of hand. When it's time to call something quits you normally get clear signs....I think you are there sir....of course that is just my opinion.

My grandfather told me something years ago that struck me as incredibly wise:

"Opinions are like ********, everyone has at least one."

I like your method of standing up for your rights: "When the going gets tough, I quit".

You, sir, are incorrect. You are very much a lay down kinda guy.

[soupertc]

My grandfather told me something years ago that struck me as incredibly wise:

"Opinions are like ********, everyone has at least one."

I like your method of standing up for your rights: "When the going gets tough, I quit".

You, sir, are incorrect. You are very much a lay down kinda guy.

lol.....coming from a grown man talking about a video game that really hurts man. I'm glad you got it so figured out.....now I can live easier knowing I really have seen a man act like a child. Perhaps you should heed your grandfathers advice a little more when posting.

[Drwaz99]

Hate to inform you, but the example wasn't an analogy. It's talking about taking things laying down and considering that the only option - much like you are doing here, not about specific methodology to follow.

I notice you used the phrase "...and hope you get your deposit back". That's exactly the kind of way of thought I'm talking about. And if they say "no", let me guess, you'll say "okay" and lose the deposit, right? In other words, you'd take it laying down, wouldn't you...

As far as coming up with an idea that no one else has... really? You can't think of a single thing? Do you really want to admit that? Well, no worries, there are plenty of ways to get Turbine to listen. Unfortunately, most require participation from people on these forums, who apparently prefer to take things laying down. One person cannot make Turbine change, but as a group we can. You just have to get off your ass. Something this community has shown it will not do. (Here's an example for you...) might have even worked if more than one person (me) participated. But no, the community would prefer to sit on their ass and whine rather than do something about it... and here we are, almost a year later, no WDAs.

Maybe next time, when someone tries to step up and do something, you'll actually lend a helping hand instead of taking it laying down. I won't hold my breath.

Edit: because I know you'll be saying "you didn't provide a solution!!": you seem to forget that canceling one's subscription is not an overnight task. One way we could get Turbine's attention would be to organize a mass "recurring payment" cancellation. Since the only way to kill off recurring payments is to cancel your account, we could round up everyone with a month or more left and ask them to cancel their recurring payments (cancel their account until payment becomes due). Organize it so that everyone who participates inputs the same thing in the "why did you cancel" box. Say, something like "LACK OF COMMUNICATION FROM TURBINE." All it would take is maybe 100 participants for Turbine to take notice... but if we could get 1000, I bet we'd see change immediately.

Can you imagine that executive meeting?
Tolero: "1000 subscribers canceled on Tuesday, they all gave the same reason: lack of communication."
Turbine CEO: "From here on out, I expect every dev to post three times daily on the forums."

It's one example off the top of my head, it catches their attention without hosing us out of the game. There are plenty more ideas where that came from.

No, it's just that I am very good as choosing which battle I fight and those that aren't worth the cause. My time is more precious to me than to get X number of subscribers who aren't month to month together to cancel. That's not laying down, that's is prioritizing my time.

And to your "Hope" to get your deposit back comment; makes you look like the guy that blows his lid when things don't go his way, you can throw the biggest tantrum you want, you many never get it back, PERIOD. Get more with honey than vinegar all the time.
Obviously you haven't been in a corporate executive meeting anytime soon. DDO is 3 years old, long for any game, I can almost guarantee you the conversation would go like this:

"1000 people just canceled subscriptions for DDO last week."
"How much revenue we going to lose from that?"
" X Amount of money"
"Well we will just have to slash DDO budget somehow, Fernando, I want a TPS report on this on my desk By Weds!
"How are the other games going?"
"LoTRO is going great!"
"Well pull off some of the lesser needed debs and throw them onto LoTRO since it's bringing in more money."
Fernando and Kate respond "Well people are leaving DDO because of less content and communication, so pulling some people off is just going to hurt it more."
"What do you expect? It's three years old, I'll set up a meeting with Senior Devs to see if we can get a new game in the works."

Bottom line $ talks and BS walks. The head people don't care that we have been playing DDO for 30 yrs and we think it's the best game we've played. They are going to invest were they believe the will get the best return on their investment. Canceling is the exact opposite of what people should do to show their disdain for this snafu od SS V&M. If your just sick of the game and don't want to play, sure canceling is the correct option. Other wise my solution (or beginning I should say) is below.

Doubt me on any of this? Here's my experience: I have started 6 companies, sold them for many, many times they are worth and am retired at 29 (partially due to my disability, partially due to I have enough money to last me the rest of my life in the fashion I want to live {including inflation} and can do really whatever I want that my disability allows.) Masters in Business (thinking of going for PHD in something, just for the heck of it) and occasionally consult on the side with the new owners of my old businesses if I want to take a free vacation. If I didn't have a disability that prevents me from walking much (or driving, et, etc.) I would not even take the time to post here, I want the game to survive for those friends I have made that love this game millions of times more than I. Mod 9 comes when it does and there is nothing, you or any of us can do to make it come faster without killing the game completely. Ask around, I think many people will also tell you I am one of the most giving and nice guys around.

To start, we as a group on the forums need to start writing posts that are intelligent, non-insulting, and constructive. Until we can prove that we can do that, I guarantee you no information is going to get to us. Tolero, Tarrant, Eladrin, all of them all know that Mod 9 is going to have to be blockbuster or we are going to have the holocaust equivalent of people leaving. If it's not I guarantee you I will be on the phone getting my money back for my subscription. But I won't be screaming and yelling. All that get you is ignored.

[Thrudh]

You have TWO options...

Take this "terrible service" lying down...

Or quit...

You may think "standing up for yourself" on these forums is an option, but it's not.

A real man would have quit by now... without whining and crying... Have none of you ever played a MMO before? There comes a time when you've done everything, and it's not fun anymore. That's when you quit...

Someone with some internal honesty would probably thank the company for a couple of thousand hours of fun instead of hating them for not providing another couple of thousand...

It's not that big of a deal to be done with a GAME... A GAME!!!!!

[Strakeln]

lol.....coming from a grown man talking about a video game that really hurts man. I'm glad you got it so figured out.....now I can live easier knowing I really have seen a man act like a child. Perhaps you should heed your grandfathers advice a little more when posting.

Let me get this straight...

If you say "I'm not a lay down kind of guy" and I say "yes you are", I'm acting like a child?

Sounds to me like someone is unable to actually come up with a valid argument, and are instead resorting to middle-school arguments about who is more mature. While moderately amusing, I highly recommend a different approach. You see, most adults stop being concerned about appearing mature the second they become an adult...

And really, pick up some better arguments than the ones you learned in 7th grade.

[Delacroix21]

Mod 9 isnt even close... Until the new content (not just the explorer) get released on Lamania for testing, will we even have a hope that it is coming soon. My guess? 3 months...


I have taken a break from DDO to wait... may even cancel while I wait to save money but logging in for the occasional raid is keeping my subsrciption current, for the moment at least.

[soupertc]

Let me get this straight...

If you say "I'm not a lay down kind of guy" and I say "yes you are", I'm acting like a child?

Sounds to me like someone is unable to actually come up with a valid argument, and are instead resorting to middle-school arguments about who is more mature. While moderately amusing, I highly recommend a different approach. You see, most adults stop being concerned about appearing mature the second they become an adult...

And really, pick up some better arguments than the ones you learned in 7th grade.

your replies sir are showing your maturity level. I was never stating anything other than what your grandfather said we all did. You said it was wise....perhpas you didn't listen. I'm not here to argue with you.....but I've noticed in all your post if someone diagrees with you you tend to blast em and go to childish lengths. All I said was maybe you just need to quit....that you are expending alot of energy on something as simple as a Video Game....I have better things to do then worry about when the next MOD is coming out......yes I do get bored like I said from time to time.....but I'm not joining some self rightouess campaign agaisnt Turbine cause I simply at this point don't care.

So if bashing people for saying what they feel like is somehow only your right and your right alone than by all means keep doing it. I never stooped to your level and named called I was simply stating an opinion.....not absoulte facts like you seem to do.....but once again....ending in the 7th grade sentence was classic....good job.

I guess I did name call....lol. But come on man......are you really freakin this ****ed about DDO??

[Drwaz99]

Guys, please just for once, you can disagree all you want, but make your post mature. I am not implying that any have not been yet, I just am sick of topics getting locked when people can't control their emotions...over a game nonetheless.

[Strakeln]

No, it's just that I am very good as choosing which battle I fight and those that aren't worth the cause. My time is more precious to me than to get X number of subscribers who aren't month to month together to cancel. That's not laying down, that's is prioritizing my time.

And to your "Hope" to get your deposit back comment; makes you look like the guy that blows his lid when things don't go his way, you can throw the biggest tantrum you want, you many never get it back, PERIOD. Get more with honey than vinegar all the time.

Look, I'd love to have this discussion with you, but you're going to have to stop putting words into my mouth.

For someone who claims to have bundles of business experience and acumen, it strikes me as odd that you think the only way to get things done is to blow your lid. Anyone in possession of the knowledge you lay claim to knows there's many other approaches that are equally if not more effective.

Obviously you haven't been in a corporate executive meeting anytime soon.

I think you mean "...anytime recently". While I think this has little bearing on the argument, I will admit that it has been a few days. Of course, I work for a large company, one where the CEO doesn't moonlight as the developer... so perhaps my experience is more relevant...

Doubt me on any of this? Here's my experience: I have started 6 companies, sold them for many, many times they are worth and am retired at 29 (partially due to my disability, partially due to I have enough money to last me the rest of my life in the fashion I want to live {including inflation} and can do really whatever I want that my disability allows.) Masters in Business (thinking of going for PHD in something, just for the heck of it) and occasionally consult on the side with the new owners of my old businesses if I want to take a free vacation. If I didn't have a disability that prevents me from walking much (or driving, et, etc.) I would not even take the time to post here, I want the game to survive for those friends I have made that love this game millions of times more than I. Mod 9 comes when it does and there is nothing, you or any of us can do to make it come faster without killing the game completely. Ask around, I think many people will also tell you I am one of the most giving and nice guys around.

While I'd love to be impressed with the couple little online startups you sold, I'm afraid that it really doesn't give you the business experience you seem to think it does. Not exactly a good representation of a business when it's you bossing yourself around.

(kind of annoying when someone puts words in your mouth, isn't it?)

Gratz on the MBA. I share similar qualifications. Doesn't really change the argument, does it? If you do a little research, you will find that I am one of the best known people in the game, and am known far and wide for my generosity. And once again, this still doesn't impact the argument, does it? So what is the point of all of this?

To start, we as a group on the forums need to start writing posts that are intelligent, non-insulting, and constructive. Until we can prove that we can do that, I guarantee you no information is going to get to us. Tolero, Tarrant, Eladrin, all of them all know that Mod 9 is going to have to be blockbuster or we are going to have the holocaust equivalent of people leaving. If it's not I guarantee you I will be on the phone getting my money back for my subscription. But I won't be screaming and yelling. All that get you is ignored.

How is it that you can suggest what has already been done, something that has been proven to not work? We used to do what you suggest, before they stopped communicating (to be clear, I'm talking about the overall problem that started about a year ago, not the recent disappearances).

So let me get this straight: if Turbine stops communicating with us, we should continue on as if nothing happened, and we should avoid at all costs voicing our dissatisfaction. Sure sounds like taking it laying down to me...

[Mithran]

Sitting back and taking it is not effective at all, as we have repeatedly proven over and over.

However, one person can't make them wake up, and we've shown next to no ability to organize and express our dissatisfaction (see: attempted forum boycott due to removal of WDA).

The real problem here is that people think that taking things laying down is the only option. That's a rather poor way to go through life. Reminds me of something that happened just last week:

A buddy of mine needed a ride to the dealership to pick up his vehicle from an inspection. We arrived at 5:35, he asked me to wait just in case something goofy happened. About 10 minutes later, he comes back and asks if I can drive him home. Apparently he spoke to a service guy, who told him that they have a hard stop at 5:30, all computers are shut down, he's SOL, no vehicle for you.

AND MY BUDDY JUST TOOK IT LAYING DOWN!!!!

So I reminded him who the boss was. It's not the service guy, it's the customer. And I told him to follow me back in, that I'd straighten this out.

Ten minutes later, he drove away in his car (I used the "I'm not going away until you fix this" approach, worked like a charm).

We can make Turbine shape up, but not if you're willing to let them walk all over you.

I wonder what Turbine would think about the fact that they are the butt end of many jokes here at my place of employment. So far as I know, I'm the last remaining DDO player here... and everyone seems to take particular delight in asking me questions like:

"Did that mod come out yet? Is it ever coming out? Are you sure it exists? Why do you still play that game?". I typically can't answer the last question very well.

This is the opinion that people who DON'T PLAY THE GAME have developed as a result of Turbines handling of mod 9. Way to go, Turbine!

The resources Turbine has that are devoted to DDO have been diminishing for some time (by necessity, from a business perspective). My impression is that the Necropolis expansion was almost a game killer for DDO and that it's only because of its very loyal core players that the game has survived the Necropolis work.

For this reason, I've been positive about developments that have made this game more friendly for new players and I haven't added my voice to the rising volume of Forums complaints about the apparent delays regarding the release of Mod-9.

I've rerolled probably more than anyone else, and while I did dutifully prepared a new roll of my Paladin main for the new expansion, I'm forced to admit that I'm getting bored with the game.