Fighter/Ranger/Wizard

[jamesjdye]

Hi. I just made a plan for the next character I'm going to create. I'd like some advice from the experts as to whether or not this is going to work and what I should do to improve it.

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Spyral Deth
Level 16 Chaotic Good Drow Male
(4 Fighter \ 6 Ranger \ 6 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 206
Spell Points: 380 
BAB: 13\13\18\23
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 14
Will: 9

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Stats          Modified Stats
Abilities        (Level 1)             (Level 16)
Strength             14                    15
Dexterity            16                    23
Constitution         12                    12
Intelligence         14                    15
Wisdom               12                    12
Charisma             12                    12

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 16)
Balance               5                     8
Bluff                 1                     1
Concentration         5                    18
Diplomacy             1                     1
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                1                     1
Heal                  5                    16
Hide                  7                    21
Intimidate            1                     1
Jump                  6                    19
Listen                1                     3
Move Silently         7                    13
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     2
Search                2                     4
Spot                  1                     3
Swim                  2                     3
Tumble                5                    15
Use Magic Device      3                    10

Level 1 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Heal (+4)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Monstrous Humanoid
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Finesse
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Drow Spell Resistance
Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Spell Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance I


Level 2 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency
Enhancement: Improved Drow Spell Resistence I


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise


Level 5 (Wizard)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell
Feat: (Automatic) Inscribe Scroll
Feat: (Automatic) Magical Training
Spell (1): Obscuring Mist
Spell (1): Hypnotism
Spell (1): Grease
Spell (1): Shield
Spell (1): Protection From Evil
Spell (1): Sleep


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+3)
Skill: Hide (+3)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 7 (Wizard)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Spell (1): Detect Secret Doors
Spell (1): Expeditious Retreat


Level 8 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5)
Spell (2): Blur
Spell (2): Bull's Strength


Level 9 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+3)
Skill: Hide (+3)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
Spell (1): Camouflage
Spell (1): Jump
Spell (1): Longstrider
Spell (1): Merfolk's Blessing
Spell (1): Ram's Might
Spell (1): Resist Energy
Spell (1): Summon Nature's Ally I
Spell (1): Tumble


Level 10 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+5)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 11 (Wizard)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1.5)
Spell (2): Daze Monster
Spell (2): Hypnotic Pattern


Level 12 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Heal (+2)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Whirlwind Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot


Level 13 (Wizard)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell
Spell (3): Heroism
Spell (3): Haste


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Tumble (+1)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 16 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Spell (3): Displacement
Spell (3): Rage
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Drow Melee Attack II
Enhancement: Drow Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Fluidity I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Fluidity II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Fluidity III
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance II
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Armored Agility I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Mobility I
Enhancement: Fighter Flanking Mastery I
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Quickening I
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Quickening II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II

[hydra_ex]

Why Wizard? ...

[jamesjdye]

Do you think sorceror would be better? If I want sorceror I wouldn't have the intelligence to get combat expertise and I wouldn't be able to get whirlwind. I'd also have less selection of spells but more SP. Since I'm relying on my swords to do damage I felt wizard was more appropriate.

[BLAKROC]

these types are definately fun builds to play....

i would take tufness much earlier than level 15
and i would also get the tempest pre reqs sooner as well.

lvl 7 is a wizzie bonus feat not fighter.

whirl wind attack is meh if you have spare feats it s fun otherwise they are better feats to take extend maybe ?

quicken may also not be really necessarry most of your spells are buffs ?

i am sure others will chime in as well .

Blak

[BLAKROC]

Do you think sorceror would be better? If I want sorceror I wouldn't have the intelligence to get combat expertise and I wouldn't be able to get whirlwind. I'd also have less selection of spells but more SP. Since I'm relying on my swords to do damage I felt wizard was more appropriate.

def not sorc they get there spells at hiigher levels and get less of em as well.

only need 13 int to get ce. 12 base +1 tome will do the trick that is another few build points elsewhere if ya need.

ce should be taken at a bit higher level as well. to penalty to hit is brutal at lower levels.

power attack is a feat you mite want to fit into your build as well.

[Impaqt]

WHat exactly is the purpose of the build? All of your Important stats on this build are low. Low Dex for Weapon Finesse, Low str so reduced damage output, and Low int.....

I cant see this character being a viable Melee combatant, or a particually good buffer either.

[Monkey_Archer]

Stats are iffy....

My tempest/kensai/wizard 6/6/8 is WF with 17/15/16/13/6/6 starting stats...

with only a few wiz levels intel is not that important.... weapon finnesse is a wasted feat and high str is necceassry if you dont want to miss the broad side of a barn

[Impaqt]

Stats are iffy....

My tempest/kensai/wizard 6/6/8 is WF with 17/15/16/13/6/6 starting stats...

with only a few wiz levels intel is not that important.... weapon finnesse is a wasted feat and high str is necceassry if you dont want to miss the broad side of a barn

Weapon FInesse isnt a Wasted feat if you have the dex to go with it. Your str has nothing to do with hitting anything if you have a High Dex w/ Weapon Finesse.

[Monkey_Archer]

Weapon FInesse isnt a Wasted feat if you have the dex to go with it. Your str has nothing to do with hitting anything if you have a High Dex w/ Weapon Finesse.

I know that... but i would not reccommend a weapon finesse semi caster....
Ac will never be great without monk levels, so you may as well go dps

[Gadget2775]

I know that... but i would not reccommend a weapon finesse semi caster....
Ac will never be great without monk levels, so you may as well go dps

Really? News to me. I play a different version of this that's standing at a 54. If I ever get around to grinding out some of the rarer loot he'll sit at 60 without buffs. (Mine however is Str based...32 standing)

[Gadget2775]

WHat exactly is the purpose of the build? All of your Important stats on this build are low. Low Dex for Weapon Finesse, Low str so reduced damage output, and Low int.....

16 Starting Dex is just fine for this build..

16 Base
04 Level Increase
02 Racial
02 Ranger
06 Item
--------
30
02 Tome
--------
32

To Hit....
13 BaB
11 Dex Bonus
02 Racial Enhancement (Rapiers/SS)
05 Weapon
02 Negative TWF
---------
29 Standing First hit w/o buffs

I cant see this character being a viable Melee combatant, or a particually good buffer either.

Int doesn't need to be super high, just high enough to cast. Spells (at least on my build) are light self buffs (although I went 7 Wizard, better break point IMO) Haste and Displacement.

[Gadget2775]

Side note...I'd probably dump Charisma/UMD. Don't think the scores are going to be high enough for any of the really good stuff.

[Monkey_Archer]

Really? News to me. I play a different version of this that's standing at a 54. If I ever get around to grinding out some of the rarer loot he'll sit at 60 without buffs. (Mine however is Str based...32 standing)

54 dual wielding? with or without CE?

Thats barely an effective ac at higher level quests.

16 Starting Dex is just fine for this build..

16 Base
04 Level Increase
02 Racial
02 Ranger
06 Item
--------
30
02 Tome
--------
32

To Hit....
13 BaB
11 Dex Bonus
02 Racial Enhancement (Rapiers/SS)
05 Weapon
02 Negative TWF
---------
29 Standing First hit w/o buffs
-5 CE
+4 GH
------
28 self buffed

Not great considering it would be less using vorpals or stat damage (unless you find a +5)

At least with a 32str you can buff with rage + madstone and have dps

[Monkey_Archer]

Side note...I'd probably dump Charisma/UMD. Don't think the scores are going to be high enough for any of the really good stuff.

I agree, dump cha... and wisdom too

I would probably go 17/16/12/13/8/10
But 14/19/12/13/8/10 weapon finesse could work as well
Or 14/18/13/14/8/10

[Brigadoom]

exactly how do you see this build being a great contributor to a party..

in nearly all groups you have someone who can cast haste, so don't understand why you would take so many wiz levels for that, I mean blur I under stand but can get a raid item or shroud item.. displacement, again shroud gear, only have to take it to tier II... I just think that you could go a lot better by just going like full ranger or like 18/2 end game and just get all the fancy stuff your talking about with raid gear and shroud gear... that way it will hit all your bases... maybe go 18 ranger 2 rogue and get a killer UMD, now you can use pretty much every scroll you want such as greater hero and heal...

that is just my opinion...

[Monkey_Archer]

exactly how do you see this build being a great contributor to a party..

in nearly all groups you have someone who can cast haste, so don't understand why you would take so many wiz levels for that, I mean blur I under stand but can get a raid item or shroud item.. displacement, again shroud gear, only have to take it to tier II... I just think that you could go a lot better by just going like full ranger or like 18/2 end game and just get all the fancy stuff your talking about with raid gear and shroud gear... that way it will hit all your bases... maybe go 18 ranger 2 rogue and get a killer UMD, now you can use pretty much every scroll you want such as greater hero and heal...

that is just my opinion...

I assume his end build will be 6rgr/6ftr/8wiz ...

I went with 8 wizard first, and pure str based....
Right now, at level 12 (2/2/8), he is a dps monster (at least on low-mid ac stuff), can hit ~50 pt firewalls, haste, fireshield, constantly displace himself, and pass out 16 minute blurs/resists/jumps to the party. Being WF, can also self heal over 100pts with maxed repair critical and use reconstruct scrolls.

In my oppinion, this type of build must be considered a pure melee.... and be just as good as any other melee character.
Not to mention, the "real" casters will like not having to pass out low level buffs

[Gadget2775]

54 dual wielding? with or without CE?

Thats barely an effective ac at higher level quests.

With CE. Again, that's base, unbuffed, missing AC specific items. (Titian Ring, etc) As for barely effective, not gona get into that can of worms other than to say I disagree.

CE does hurt the to hit bonus, but isn't required all the time. Displacement takes a whole lot of sting out of top mobs.

[Gadget2775]

exactly how do you see this build being a great contributor to a party..

in nearly all groups you have someone who can cast haste, so don't understand why you would take so many wiz levels for that, I mean blur I under stand but can get a raid item or shroud item.. displacement, again shroud gear, only have to take it to tier II... I just think that you could go a lot better by just going like full ranger or like 18/2 end game and just get all the fancy stuff your talking about with raid gear and shroud gear... that way it will hit all your bases... maybe go 18 ranger 2 rogue and get a killer UMD, now you can use pretty much every scroll you want such as greater hero and heal...

that is just my opinion...

Because it's fun to do something that isn't cookie cutter. Yes, you can always craft shroud items to cast spells, but the amount those spells can be cast is much more limited.

Besides, what caster is going to keep me displaced in every big fight? None. Not one in the entire time I've been playing DDO. Haste? There're very few casters who keep me 100% hasted, so meh, would rather be able to do it for myself. My toon at least is a primary melee toon with spells for fun. He isn't a primary caster, nore does he pretend to be.

[jamesjdye]

these types are definately fun builds to play....

i would take tufness much earlier than level 15
and i would also get the tempest pre reqs sooner as well.

Blak

Good points. I think I'll take weapon finesse, and then toughness that way I can get the enhancement bonuses to hp at earlier levels to make up for my low constitution.

lvl 7 is a wizzie bonus feat not fighter.

Blak

whirl wind attack is meh if you have spare feats it s fun otherwise they are better feats to take extend maybe ?

Blak

I've never actually used whirlwind in DDO. I have in other Neverwinter Nights but I suppose that's two entirely different games. It was kind of a focus of my build, I had assumed since it required so many prerequisites that it must be good. If anyone else agrees that it's not important I would probably change the build significantly. I'll look into more about whirlwind online and see what people think. I already took extend at level five when I took my first level of wizard.

Blak[/QUOTE]

quicken may also not be really necessarry most of your spells are buffs ?

Blak[/QUOTE]

You may be right. I haven't tested it's usefulness. I took so I could cast spells while daze monster and hypnotic pattern without slowing up my dps with my swords as much. I'll consider changing it however when I chose quicken it was a level that I had to choose a wizard feat. My other options are slim and I really don't feel like I had a better choice.


Thanks for your input.

James

[Gadget2775]

Enlarge makes dealing with Beholders easier...(Ray of Enfeebelment/Enervation). Think you'll find that spells with saves aren't your friend with this build