AC Evasion Tanks Rejoice!

[Jadeare]

Our Dragon Touched Armor options now are:

1. Wear leather and loose some AC to gain some of the new super cool, slot reducing, waited for months to see, effects.

2. Wear Breastplate and loose evasion.

3. Reroll your character. If you had this knowledge before hand you would have built differently. You can make better now.

There is no armor here for an AC Evasion Tank. We already sacrifice AC and Build Points to have evasion. Now, to wear DT Armor, we sacrifice more.

So Devs, if you had an evasion tank, what armor would you choose? Remember to consider you have been building this Evasion tank for three months and had no knowledge of what to come.

Feel free to set me straight if i am wrong here.

Be prepared to defend your statements.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Our Dragon Touched Armor options now are:

1. Wear leather and loose some AC to gain some of the new super cool, slot reducing, waited for months to see, effects.

Isn't this leather a higher base AC than normal leather, putting it pretty much on par with MBP?

Feel free to set me straight if i am wrong here.

Be prepared to defend your statements.

You forgot option 4... don't get DT armor. Not everyone saw a useful Dragon scale or Necro armor for their build either....

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

What DEX does your evasion tank have?

Garth

[Dexxaan]

Dude - Paying with some AC to have evasion is well worth it and makes sense...what's next evasion-tanks in Lt. Armor out AC'ng Heavy Armor-clad AC Tanks.... geesh. EDIT: WAIT! - That's already happening!

You have the BP of Destruction which is a HUGE advantage at a -1 to AC, yet saves a slot and so easy to get...

[Rilean]

Once again this proves that no matter what turbine does someone will complain. I feel sorry for the DEVs they work hard to try and improve our game and get no thanks.

Well here I am saying thanks (oh and I have an evasion tanks too)

Welldone turbine you have made a great game.

[Jadeare]

Isn't this leather a higher base AC than normal leather, putting it pretty much on par with MBP?



You forgot option 4... don't get DT armor. Not everyone saw a useful Dragon scale or Necro armor for their build either....

No, the leather is Higher max dex bonus.

I can not use DT armor, true.

[Jadeare]

What DEX does your evasion tank have?

Garth

26 with a +2 tome.

[Jadeare]

Dude - Paying with some AC to have evasion is well worth it and makes sense...what's next evasion-tanks in Lt. Armor out AC'ng Heavy Armor-clad AC Tanks.... geesh.

You have the BP of Destruction which is a HUGE advantage at a -1 to AC, yet saves a slot and so easy to get...

I agree, Light armor tanks should not have as high an AC as heavy armored. it is worth it to pay some AC for Evasion. How much is enough? 1? 2? 3?

I already pay 3 AC for evasion, -1 for MBP over MFP, -2 for Large Shield against Tower shield. Worked these out a while ago so my memory could be a bit off there, but i believe that is correct.

How does BP of Destruction save a slot? +4 protection doesnt save a slot. It reduces your AC by 1 against a prot item.

[Goldeneye]

I think this is the reason Turbine made the Icy Rainments so easy to obtain in the Subterrain. icy rainments might be a little less the dragontouched, but they're pretty good

[Jadeare]

Once again this proves that no matter what turbine does someone will complain. I feel sorry for the DEVs they work hard to try and improve our game and get no thanks.

Well here I am saying thanks (oh and I have an evasion tanks too)

Welldone turbine you have made a great game.

Once again someone comes in to stand on their soapbox rallying against the injustice of the fool who would dare to question and ask for explanation.

Yes the devs do a good job. Yes this is an excellent game.

I don't feel sorry for them at all Mr high up there on his soap box. I expect that many of them love what they do, working on one of the best game concepts since Tiggy. I just want to know why they did it, if it was a conscious decision or an oversight. Also if anyone can see a way around this and justify this.

[Gol]

Isn't this leather a higher base AC than normal leather, putting it pretty much on par with MBP?

Dude - Paying with some AC to have evasion is well worth it and makes sense...what's next evasion-tanks in Lt. Armor out AC'ng Heavy Armor-clad AC Tanks.... geesh.

No, you both missed the point. People with really high dex get the best of both worlds. People with really low dex get the heavy armor. People with in-between dex (24-26 land) get the shaft.

[ThrasherGT]

26 with a +2 tome.

You lost me here. The new Leather is 8 armor/ 7 dex , right? if You take 1 level of ftr. armor mastery that equals 16 armor, which is exactly the same as a Mith. chain shirt.

Throw in the +3 dodge bonus on the new armor (unless You've got a Chattering ring, of course) and this is inferior how?

Or is this that You are feeling cheated because Full Plate got a boost?

I don't get it.......

[Jadeare]

Clearly if i have 26 Dex and am Using MBP i also have FAM3.

Does that clear things up a little mate?

It isnt about a boost to AC, it is about the three tiers of effects you can stack on an item to compact you slots.

The same AC would do nicely thanks.

Would just like an even shake of the branch.

[Jadeare]

No, you both missed the point. People with really high dex get the best of both worlds. People with really low dex get the heavy armor. People with in-between dex (24-26 land) get the shaft.

Spot on.

[Braegan]

I was a little disappointed as well with the new armor. More than likely something my characters will never have need of. And while I don't begrudge those that are able to make use of this new stage of crafting, it would be nice to be excited about something in DDO. Oh well I guess it's KDS for life!

[manfredshw]

AC is not the only thing in this game.
And dt armor is just a kind of choice, you need it, you get it, if not, just pass it.
Do not confuse yourself, ask yourself what you need indeed.

I chose a dt outfit for my ranger, as well as my friend. We plan to put +5res, +5pro and destruction on it for combat use. If we need AC someday, we will put on our IR, no big deal.

The last thing I complained is dt leather armor looks like a piece of ****, that's ridiculously ugly. I can't express it with any words in this world. Eveytime I put on the leather armor, my friends are all laugh at me with tears in their eyes I can imagine.

[Riminy]

Our Dragon Touched Armor options now are:

1. Wear leather and loose some AC to gain some of the new super cool, slot reducing, waited for months to see, effects.

2. Wear Breastplate and loose evasion.

3. Reroll your character. If you had this knowledge before hand you would have built differently. You can make better now.

There is no armor here for an AC Evasion Tank. We already sacrifice AC and Build Points to have evasion. Now, to wear DT Armor, we sacrifice more.

So Devs, if you had an evasion tank, what armor would you choose? Remember to consider you have been building this Evasion tank for three months and had no knowledge of what to come.

Feel free to set me straight if i am wrong here.

Be prepared to defend your statements.

Your clearly unaware of the benefits of evasion. Pure pallys and fighters have been waiting for something like this to give them a reason to stay pure. It's not the greatest reason but its adequate. Your complaining that a person who didn't take the evasion option is benefiting in another way? No way, that can't be true. You get 100's of damage evaded every high level quest and they get more armor class for staying pure? How unreasonable is that argument. You took advantage of something and got a consequence?

From turbines selection of armours, I imagine they have done two things here:

#1 - You want the highest AC and evasion you will have to make two armors, one for AC and no evasion, one for evasion with less AC. Basically i think this is because there isn't much of a penalty to multiclassing and I see this as them setting a small penalty.

#2 - This is a counter balance of the icy rainment. Currently still more armor class then the DT robe or outfit, however the DT obviously has greater effects and will save item slots. To gain the highest armor class the character would have to remain with the icy rainment.

In a nutshell, they are providing pure class fighters, clerics and paladins (mainly fighters and paladins) with the possibility at a slightly higher armor class, while the evasion tanks remain sitting on the fence with two options: Make the leather to remain with evasion and a little less AC, or make a fullplate and a leather and switch between the armors for when evasion is wanted, or the higher armor class is wanted. Evasion is a big thing..

[Guildmaster_Kadish]

No, you both missed the point. People with really high dex get the best of both worlds. People with really low dex get the heavy armor. People with in-between dex (24-26 land) get the shaft.

Precisely.

[Nyvn]

No, you both missed the point. People with really high dex get the best of both worlds. People with really low dex get the heavy armor. People with in-between dex (24-26 land) get the shaft.

QFT

The lore doesn't really allow the dragon touched armor to be Mithril but if they added the full range of light armors it would be a huge boon.

[Ganidel]

You Icy Raiment users need to get over your selves you cant always be all end all.

Realy if you use the Choasguards you only lose 3-4, if you use a protection +5 item or put it on you dragontouched you only lose 3 ac, add +5 resistance in your eldritch rune slot and or _______ to you Sovereign rune:

+4 Natural AC(frees up one ring slot)
+4 Insight(dont have to use shroud item for your AC)
Tharne's Wrath
Destruct
Crippling
Smite (smite on melee attacks)

So please stop whining and either lose like 3 ac, and have +2 more saves and the bonus of the sovereign rune.