Dragontouched Armor rant

[Gol]

Yes, I'm ranting. Yes, I realize Dragontouched (DT) armor has other goodies on it. Other goodies I already have in other slots quite nicely. Any attempts to assuage my rant by commenting on other available bonuses of DT armor will be completely ignored.

/rant on

So, I REALLY REALLY had my hopes up to get rid of my KDS dress on my Dwarven Ranger and replace it with the Dragontouched armor. You guys (Turbine) did a pretty decent job with it, adding 2 armor to the metal armors and 2 dex to the non-metals...

Which means that from a strictly ARMOR perspective, the Kundarak Delving Suit is still the best Light Armor in the game for a humble-dex Evasion fighter type (22-28 Dex) (*cough* melee rangers *cough*).
Dragontouched Chain: 4 dex, 6 armor, +5 = 15
Kundarak Delving Suit: 6 Dex, 5 armor, +5 = 16

(for comparison)
Dragontouched Plate: 1 dex, 10 armor, +5 = 16
Vanilla +5 Mithral Full Plate: 3 Dex, 8 Armor, +5 = 16

Level 10 Mod 1 raid loot should not be the best at ANYTHING anymore. ANYTHING!!!!!

[Gunga]

Still looks cool and is viable for a percentage of players.

Nothing wrong with that...didn't you just chastise Turbine for making the abbot docent less valuable, but now you want to make the KDS obsolete?

Are you drunk, too?

[Gol]

didn't you just chastise Turbine for making the abbot docent less valuable, but now you want to make the KDS obsolete?

I don't know what the abbot docent even is, Gunga. KDS will never be obsolete because it is only level 10. DT armor is level 16 and is an option for people willing to sacrifice a irreplaceable point of AC with other goodies.

[Gunga]

I don't know what the abbot docent even is, Gunga. KDS will never be obsolete because it is only level 10. DT armor is level 16 and is an option for people willing to sacrifice a irreplaceable point of AC with other goodies.

I'm sorry, Gol. So many tools in the shed, it's hard to remember them all.

Isn't your best option the rainments and some ac 7 or 8 bracers?

[Gol]

I'm sorry, Gol. So many tools in the shed, it's hard to remember them all.

Isn't your best option the rainments and some ac 7 or 8 bracers?

KDS
8 dex (6 base, Dwarven AM 2)
5 armor
+5 enchantment
2 chaosgarde
20 total

8 armor bracers
8 dex
4 raiments
20 total

ritual would apply to them both, so it's a wash.

[Milolyen]

Yes, I'm ranting. Yes, I realize Dragontouched (DT) armor has other goodies on it. Other goodies I already have in other slots quite nicely. Any attempts to assuage my rant by commenting on other available bonuses of DT armor will be completely ignored.

/rant on

So, I REALLY REALLY had my hopes up to get rid of my KDS dress on my Dwarven Ranger and replace it with the Dragontouched armor. You guys (Turbine) did a pretty decent job with it, adding 2 armor to the metal armors and 2 dex to the non-metals...

Which means that from a strictly ARMOR perspective, the Kundarak Delving Suit is still the best Light Armor in the game for a humble-dex Evasion fighter type (22-28 Dex) (*cough* melee rangers *cough*).
Dragontouched Chain: 4 dex, 6 armor, +5 = 15
Kundarak Delving Suit: 6 Dex, 5 armor, +5 = 16

(for comparison)
Dragontouched Plate: 1 dex, 10 armor, +5 = 16
Vanilla +5 Mithral Full Plate: 3 Dex, 8 Armor, +5 = 16

Level 10 Mod 1 raid loot should not be the best at ANYTHING anymore. ANYTHING!!!!!

DUDE ... KDS is better in only ONE aspect ... ac. The dragon touched go so far beyond the KDS and can think of many things that can be done with dragon touched that go beyond KDS as well. What is current belt? +6 str? +6 con? Greater false life? Lets say for instance you got the titan belt on +6 str of greater false life ... well you can put both those on the Dragon touched, grab a daggertooth belt and look same stats and you are now 1 ac over KDS and still have a third upgrade.

Alot of times it is about choices and not about makeing something superior in all aspects of the game. I love the dragon touched armor and can't wait to get the upgrades I want on one for both ranger and fighter but specially for my cleric.

Milolyen

[Beherit_Baphomar]

DUDE ... KDS is better in only ONE aspect ... ac.

Level 10 Mod 1 raid loot should not be the best at ANYTHING anymore. ANYTHING!!!!!

He even highlighted it.

[rimble]

He even highlighted it.

And 5 exclamation points! Clearly the writings of a deranged mind...

[Kintro]

I'm looking forward to making a GFL, str6 and heavy fort armour for my non-ac builds so they can wear some more interesting items in other slots.

At the moment they don't look to be awesome for AC builds but they are very nice slot savers while not being any worse than +5 mith.

[Yaga_Nub]

He even highlighted it.

But just because he feels that way doesn't mean that it is.

I'm the only one that gets to decide what is important in DDO and what's not.

[Gunga]

I'm looking forward to making a GFL, str6 and heavy fort armour for my non-ac builds so they can wear some more interesting items in other slots.

At the moment they don't look to be awesome for AC builds but they are very nice slot savers while not being any worse than +5 mith.

Yeah!!!!!!

(Six)

[Milolyen]

He even highlighted it.

And if you looked in my example I also pointed out a way that Dragontouched can end up with a higher ac. Even if he puts the belt on with the KDS he does not have the dex to fill out the extra dex bonus but would with the dragontouched. Also a melee focused str based ranger is usually pretty full up on equipment slots and would not always have room for the belt without giving other important stuff up.

Milolyen

[Vorn]

From what's been revealed so far, unless the dodge bonus was supposed to stack with chattering ring, for my fighter, it doesn't make me say, "wow, I can't live without that!" the way the shroud weaponry or the VoD plate made me feel. Now, maybe if one of the special combinations provided evasion, hee, hee, hee....

Will reserve judgement, however, until the honored trailblazers have discovered more--in the meantime I still have yet to save the silly dragon.

[Gol]

And if you looked in my example I also pointed out a way that Dragontouched can end up with a higher ac. Even if he puts the belt on with the KDS he does not have the dex to fill out the extra dex bonus but would with the dragontouched. Also a melee focused str based ranger is usually pretty full up on equipment slots and would not always have room for the belt without giving other important stuff up.

Milolyen

While your point is true in my specific case, it does nothing to address my OP: that mod 1 raid loot is still better for mid dex evasion tanks. You've proved that I need to adjust my dex range to 20-24 instead is all. I personally happen to have 26 so your daggertooth belt idea works for me. It just makes me have to switch in a str belt when doing stuff like Harry in Shroud when AC doesn't matter.

[Aerilyn]

I'm the only one that gets to decide what is important in DDO and what's not. (Yaga Nub)

Hey Yaga come out of the closet and visit and we'll decide if we want to listen When the mad god left Argo we found better and more forgiving god Our new master is Darkstrike (A Wonderful Totem) We found his parts in the harbor and crafted a wonderful being from Sabo's lost or traded in parts and now have a kinder and gentler being LOL

Bergeyon

[Gol]

From what's been revealed so far, unless the dodge bonus was supposed to stack with chattering ring, for my fighter, it doesn't make me say, "wow, I can't live without that!" the way the shroud weaponry or the VoD plate made me feel.

Yeah, that would have made me excited as well. I already have a Chattering Ring though, so I'm going to see what other tier 3 bonuses are available.

[Gunga]

While your point is true in my specific case, it does nothing to address my OP: that mod 1 raid loot is still better for mid dex evasion tanks. You've proved that I need to adjust my dex range to 20-24 instead is all. I personally happen to have 26 so your daggertooth belt idea works for me. It just makes me have to switch in a str belt when doing stuff like Harry in Shroud when AC doesn't matter.

You're a funny guy.

[Beherit_Baphomar]

And if you looked in my example I also pointed out a way that Dragontouched can end up with a higher ac. Even if he puts the belt on with the KDS he does not have the dex to fill out the extra dex bonus but would with the dragontouched. Also a melee focused str based ranger is usually pretty full up on equipment slots and would not always have room for the belt without giving other important stuff up.

Milolyen

Yes, I'm ranting. Yes, I realize Dragontouched (DT) armor has other goodies on it. Other goodies I already have in other slots quite nicely. Any attempts to assuage my rant by commenting on other available bonuses of DT armor will be completely ignored.

Highlighting is mine this time.

[Milolyen]

While your point is true in my specific case, it does nothing to address my OP: that mod 1 raid loot is still better for mid dex evasion tanks. You've proved that I need to adjust my dex range to 20-24 instead is all. I personally happen to have 26 so your daggertooth belt idea works for me. It just makes me have to switch in a str belt when doing stuff like Harry in Shroud when AC doesn't matter.

Well if +6 str is your current belt then what is stopping you from creating your armor with +6 str for the second lvl bonus (from tempest rune)? Then you could still get greater false life, +5 resist, or any number of other things for first lvl bonus (from eldrich rune) and free up some other slot. Then on the third teir upgrade (from sov rune) you could go for a guard effect and have it punish those that are able to hit you or if you have tharne's goggles you could go for the tharnes ghost touch and reduced threat that you get from the goggle bracer combo without haveing to wear the bracers. Many different possibilities out there with this armor.

Milolyen

[Gol]

Well if +6 str is your current belt then what is stopping you from creating your armor with +6 str for the second lvl bonus (from tempest rune)? Then you could still get greater false life, +5 resist, or any number of other things for first lvl bonus (from eldrich rune) and free up some other slot. Then on the third teir upgrade (from sov rune) you could go for a guard effect and have it punish those that are able to hit you or if you have tharne's goggles you could go for the tharnes ghost touch and reduced threat that you get from the goggle bracer combo without haveing to wear the bracers. Many different possibilities out there with this armor.

Milolyen

I'm going for item consolidation if I go with DT armor, I'm just trying to find a way to do it without losing AC. I have a very borderline AC on my Ranger - high 50s. Great for trash fights, but losing effectiveness when it matters. I think I have something working, I'm still cruching numbers. I'm going to have to adjust my regular raiding schedule and pick up some new peices, I think.