Low spot rogue ok?

[tc12]

I'm thinking of rolling a combat-focued Dwarf rogue, and using WIS as a dump stat -- 8 start. And assume worst case he'd only have a +4 WIS helm to end at 12. Given max spot ranks, a bump from Way of the mechanic and a +13 from a dream visor, is that OK? Perhaps rogue spot I and/or II, but could I possibly dump that too?

My thinking is with a decent INT, Dw search buffs and again WotM, my search and disable will be in normal rogue league. So can I skimp a bit on spot. I mean, a trap can be found even when not spotted, even if it's a bit painful sometimes if you miss your Ref/evasion roll.

My past chars with rogue levels have been elf and drow so have had the cheap double-stacking of both class and racial search & spot enhancements. This is first char that could have a weaker spot, so I'm just wondering how much of a game impact it would be to dump spot a bit on this guy.

Oh if it helps understanding what I'm trying to do, this would be a rogue10/F2/Ra2 2WF STR build -- target 28 STR / 26 DEX. Full rogue capabilities intended in all aspects except the low-ish spot as discussed here. Thanks.

TC

[cdbd3rd]

I'm thinking of rolling a combat-focued Dwarf rogue, and using WIS as a dump stat -- 8 start. And assume worst case he'd only have a +4 WIS helm to end at 12. Given max spot ranks, a bump from Way of the mechanic and a +13 from a dream visor, is that OK? Perhaps rogue spot I and/or II, but could I possibly dump that too?

My thinking is with a decent INT, Dw search buffs and again WotM, my search and disable will be in normal rogue league. So can I skimp a bit on spot. I mean, a trap can be found even when not spotted, even if it's a bit painful sometimes if you miss your Ref/evasion roll.

My past chars with rogue levels have been elf and drow so have had the cheap double-stacking of both class and racial search & spot enhancements. This is first char that could have a weaker spot, so I'm just wondering how much of a game impact it would be to dump spot a bit on this guy.

Oh if it helps understanding what I'm trying to do, this would be a rogue10/F2/Ra2 2WF STR build -- target 28 STR / 26 DEX. Full rogue capabilities intended in all aspects except the low-ish spot as discussed here. Thanks.

TC

A good Spot also gives you a shadow to show invisible/hidden creatures (some oozes, hell hounds, rogues, etc). With the new 'fix' coming where you can't tab-target hidden enemies, you'll probably want to keep that spot.
Just an opinion, of course.

[Impaqt]

Lets WOrk Backwards...

36 -Reported High Water Mark for SPOT Skill.
-13 Item(+15 items are out there)
-4 Greater Heroism
-4 Spot ENH (+2 WotM +2 Rogue)
-1 Wisdom (12 Wisdom)
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14

So with 14 Ranks in Spot you can hit the High water Mark Pretty easily....

Of course, there are other ways to boost spot as well.. Prayer/Luck Item +1 otr +2 Bard Song, More Points from ENH (Up to +6 Availabale)

BTW.. a "Good Spot" for detecting mobs is around 15 right now..... My Cleric spots stuff VERY early with just +7 Blindness Ward Googles of Minute seeing (Eagle?) +7

[llevenbaxx]

Have a similar built Dwarf str based rogue. Was considering using wisdom as my dump stat also. Decided to bump it up to 11 then use a +1 tome for 12. My reasoning is that eventually they will make the spot checks even out with the other trap based skills. I also believe they will eventually impliment alot more random traps in quests. I feel the spot skill will eventually be on par, in importance with the other skills. It is starting to happen already with the mob targetting requiring a spot check.

If you think everything is going stay the same as it is now you can get away with wisdom being a dump stat. I planned for what I think is going to develope. I bumped my charisma up one and used a tome to get it to eight. I think far less is likily to change on the UMD front as compared with spot. I can use cure wands and any RR items at +25, but it is lacking for now to be sure.

Just some things to think about.

[Roguewiz]

I'm looking forward to the changes to spot, and the future of randomized traps. Hopefully this will slow groups down, even if only a little bit.