Most optimal gear loadout

[Eth]

mind breaking down how you get 200 mp? I only get 150ish with 10 blitz stacks (can't remember exactly). I am missing the toee set for another 20, I have a +4 mythic khopesh from demon assault so that blances out, and I'm missing 2 mp from using khopesh proficiency instead of another weapon focus. Even after all that I'm still over 30 away from 200 so I must be missing something important.

Here's the theoretical maximum MP:
20 ToEE set
6 gtwf
6 weapon focus feats
24 epic levels
18 LD core
10 greater rage
30 frenzied berserker (25 cores, 5 raging blows)
70 blitz
6 Sightless
10 laughter
12 cracking attack (requires the attack itself to proc 4 times - mainhand, offhand, doublestrike, offhand doublestrike, each stack adds 3 MP)
5 cruel cut
30 action boost
4 ToEE weapon upgrade
2 MP Tomes
3 U27 Trinket
3 U27 Gloves
... (not sure if there are more U27 gearpieces that provide MP beside gloves and trinket, that's the ones I've seen it on so far)
7 harper tree (laughter + dismember is 23 points, berserker capstone is 41, so there's max. 16 AP to put into into harper)
33 ToEE mythic altar (only works in ToEE)
---
299

Obviously this theoretical maximum would be far from an ideal gearset and enhancement spec.


This was my record before U27, can be easily beaten now:

[Nightmanis]

Here's the theoretical maximum MP:
20 ToEE set
6 gtwf
6 weapon focus feats
24 epic levels
18 LD core
10 greater rage
30 frenzied berserker (25 cores, 5 raging blows)
70 blitz
6 Sightless
10 laughter
12 cracking attack (requires the attack itself to proc 4 times - mainhand, offhand, doublestrike, offhand doublestrike, each stack adds 3 MP)
5 cruel cut
30 action boost
4 ToEE weapon upgrade
2 MP Tomes
3 U27 Trinket
3 U27 Gloves
... (not sure if there are more U27 gearpieces that provide MP beside gloves and trinket, that's the ones I've seen it on so far)
7 harper tree (laughter + dismember is 23 points, berserker capstone is 41, so there's max. 16 AP to put into into harper)
33 ToEE mythic altar (only works in ToEE)
---
299

Obviously this theoretical maximum would be far from an ideal gearset and enhancement spec.


This was my record before U27, can be easily beaten now:

Yay breakdown! Helps me with my build. Granted I have a max of 155 (rogue monk) but its still good to know.

[Eth]

mp breakdown

Confirmed yesterday that the ToEE weapon bonus stacks with a second ToEE weapon bonus.
Brings it to 303.

[Rogann]

Updated the thread. Added Golems Heart in the 'augment' section since its god like. Added Sanctified Gages in the 'Notes' section for added dps if you wish to swap. I chose not to include the claw set since moving things around would probably be a loss of dps compared to the gages anyways. Also who wants to farm seals and shards? I sure don't

Besides that I think the OP will remain the way it is until Update 28. Thanks everyone for the help~

[the_one_dwarfforged]

Added Sanctified Gages in the 'Notes' section for added dps if you wish to swap. I chose not to include the claw set since moving things around would probably be a loss of dps compared to the gages anyways.

i think claw set bonus dmg gets added to base dmg and so gets scaled with mp?

[Eth]

i think claw set bonus dmg gets added to base dmg and so gets scaled with mp?

Claw set is the way to go if you go for max DPS.

With the gear layout presented in the OP I would actually go for the claw set, the trade-off is minimal.
Swap mysterious bracers to the cloak slot and all you trade is 20 HP and 5 seeker for 4 base damage.

And yes, base damage is extremely valuable with the crazy amount of MP barbs get.

For a typical crit. profile of 15-18 x3, 19-20 x6 one point of base damage is 1.85 damage per hit before MP.
So after MP that's typically around 5+ damage per hit.

[Nightmanis]

Claw set is the way to go if you go for max DPS.

With the gear layout presented in the OP I would actually go for the claw set, the trade-off is minimal.
Swap mysterious bracers to the cloak slot and all you trade is 20 HP and 5 seeker for 4 base damage.

And yes, base damage is extremely valuable with the crazy amount of MP barbs get.

For a typical crit. profile of 15-18 x3, 19-20 x6 one point of base damage is 1.85 damage per hit before MP.
So after MP that's typically around 5+ damage per hit.

You could run the build with the wolf cloak still and see how well it works out. You might find that you don't need that much healamp. However, I don't rum a barb so I don't know how well it works out.

[Rogann]

i think claw set bonus dmg gets added to base dmg and so gets scaled with mp?

Claw set is the way to go if you go for max DPS.

Once again I made another mistake lol. For some reason I thought I was forced to re slot the Mysterious Bracers to the Mysterious Clock. Thus removing the +5 exceptional crit. So I assumed it would be lower dps compared to the gages. Ill put the claw set into the OP.

[Rogann]

After playing around with the claw set and mysterious bracer's I would have to say I prefer the Claw set. The trade off isn't too bad.

MYSTERIOUS BRACERS

• +7.88% Reduction (MRR)
• [Unbuffed]+9 hp random chance proc, +17 hp on kills compared to Claw Set (Blood Strength, 91 MP)
• [10 stack blitz] +11 hp random chance proc, +23 hp on kills compared to Claw Set (Blood Strength, 161 MP)

CLAW SET

• [Unbuffed]+15 damage non crit, +46 damage on 13-18 crits, +90 damage on 19-20 crits (assuming 91 MP)
• [10 stack blitz]+20 damage non crit, +60 damage on 13-18, +120 damage on 19-20 crits (assuming 161 MP)

The extra healing is pretty minimal to justify it over the Claw Set imo. Updating the OP.

On a side note. What do you guys think about using Encrusted Ring/Knost's Belt over Battlerager's Harness?

Epic Quiver of Alacrity already gives 8% doublestrike (for now ). So +4% doublestrike seems minimal considering you're cleaving 90% of the time (doublestrike doesn't proc on cleaves). Encrusted Ring/Knost's Belt gives about 12 damage a swing on non crits which beats out 'spiked' from Battlerager's Harness. Or am I missing something?

[Eth]

On a side note. What do you guys think about using Encrusted Ring/Knost's Belt over Battlerager's Harness?

Epic Quiver of Alacrity already gives 8% doublestrike (for now ). So +4% doublestrike seems minimal considering you're cleaving 90% of the time (doublestrike doesn't proc on cleaves). Encrusted Ring/Knost's Belt gives about 12 damage a swing on non crits which beats out 'spiked' from Battlerager's Harness. Or am I missing something?

Did some math in yeela's thread on that topic:

Your crit. profile is 15-18 x3, 19-20 x6.
Let's say you do 20 attacks and roll each die once.

For a single point of extra damage you do:
1 miss, 13 x 1 damage, 4 x 3 damage, 2 x 6 damage. That's 37 damage total or 1.85 damage per hit.
This will also get multiplied by your melee power, which should be around 177 with the new set bonus. I'll also add the 20 from the damage boost, although that is still counted as 20%, not actual melee power. So 197 MP.
That means your 1.85 damage gets multiplied by 2.97. That's 5.4945 damage per hit.

So 3 extra damage would add 16.4835 damage per hit.
Note that +2 Str doesn't really add 1 damage per swing, since you only get 0.5 damage mod for your offhand, but I'll ignore that for the sake of keeping things simple.

Now let's do 100 attack animations.
I'll assume you have 22% doublestrike and 10% offhand doublestrike.
1 attack animation can proc: 100% mainhand, 80% offhand, 22% extra mainhand, 10% extra offhand
100 x 1 = 100
100 x 0.8 = 80
100 x 0.22 = 22
100 x 0.8 x 0.1 = 8
---
total: 210 (5% will be misses, so that leaves 199.5 hits)

That means in 100 attack animations the 3 damage will add a total of 199.5 x 16.4835 = 3288.45825 damage.

Now let's add 4% doublestrike:
100 x 1 = 100
100 x 0.8 = 80
100 x 0.26 = 26
100 x 0.8 x 0.1 = 8
---
total: 214 (5% misses, 203.3 hits total)

So now you know you gained 3.8 extra hits.

The only question left is can you do more damage in 3.8 hits than 3288.45825 damage.
That's 865.38375 damage per hit.
In your video your barb is doing about 70 actual hits (haven't examined it closely, but that's about right). Assuming brunt has 100k HP that's around 1430 damage per hit.

So yes the 4% DS would win here.


Also keep in mind the belt adds 3.5 damage per hit from the spiked proc on top of that.

For THF YMMV.

[Rogann]

For THF YMMV.

Yea for THF and cleaving non stop I would have to side with ToD set.

[the_one_dwarfforged]

Yea for THF and cleaving non stop I would have to side with ToD set.

dstrike is way more appealing for thf than twf, despite cleaves.

the reason is that, sure cleaves dont proc dstrike, but im assuming youre going to have haste boost, and if you are thf and there is 1 enemy and its a red name and you need to kill it now, the ebst thing to do is double boost and twitch. cleaves + haste boost = bad. so, dstrike is a lot better there. sure a little bit extra dmg is nice for the cleaves, but you wont notice it and trash dps isnt as important.

honestly, if i was to take the flat dmg bonus on any build itd be twf, because its more effective on that kind of build while dstrike is more effective on thf. the only reason the dstrike pretty much always wins here is because 4% more mainhand hits is just a lot bigger number than +3 dmg per hit.

[Eth]

In any case... the 12% DS is a buff that lasts 45 seconds and is not reapplied before running out.
If you really want, you could have both.

...now if the game wasn't so laggy and item swapping would still be fun...(swapping may still lose you DPS).

[the_one_dwarfforged]

In any case... the 12% DS is a buff that lasts 45 seconds and is not reapplied before running out.
If you really want, you could have both.

...now if the game wasn't so laggy and item swapping would still be fun...(swapping may still lose you DPS).

i dont find item swapping to cause much/any lag unless umd or other sweeping stat changes are involved, and i dont get much lag with that either.

also if you have quickdraw (which i cannot live without) and swap at smart times, itd never cost you dps. and thats a really good point, btw. though idk if i would find the micromanagement worth the dps gain...

[Eth]

i dont find item swapping to cause much/any lag unless umd or other sweeping stat changes are involved, and i dont get much lag with that either.

also if you have quickdraw (which i cannot live without) and swap at smart times, itd never cost you dps. and thats a really good point, btw. though idk if i would find the micromanagement worth the dps gain...

Well you haven't seen my barbarian lag machine in action then
But there's hope, todays update announced a fix for that, so I may consider that option actually.

And thumbs up for the quick draw love. One of the most underrated feats in my opinion. It's not only action boost activation.
I swap between reinvigoration+toee, mortal fear+toee and double mortal fear sets all the time in combat. It also saves you activation time on many barbarian abilities like frenzy and death frenzy, uncanny dodge and storm's eye, which you actually often have to refresh during combat.
Must have feat for me.

[Rogann]

dstrike is way more appealing for thf than twf, despite cleaves.

the reason is that, sure cleaves dont proc dstrike, but im assuming youre going to have haste boost, and if you are thf and there is 1 enemy and its a red name and you need to kill it now, the ebst thing to do is double boost and twitch. cleaves + haste boost = bad. so, dstrike is a lot better there. sure a little bit extra dmg is nice for the cleaves, but you wont notice it and trash dps isnt as important.

honestly, if i was to take the flat dmg bonus on any build itd be twf, because its more effective on that kind of build while dstrike is more effective on thf. the only reason the dstrike pretty much always wins here is because 4% more mainhand hits is just a lot bigger number than +3 dmg per hit.

I personally don't use Haste Boost and Cleave non top on bosses. For this reason I put the ToD set in the OP. I made sure to include Battlerager's Harness in the 'notes' section.

I updated the OP and removed most of the useless stuff from the 'notes' section like items swaps that were sub-par.

[the_one_dwarfforged]

I personally don't use Haste Boost

reroll

[Rogann]

reroll

[Nightmanis]

I can't imagine not using haste boost....

[Rogann]

After caving in to peer pressure I re rolled, gaining Haste Boost. I promptly fixed the OP to be more awesome and stuff.