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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnbeimnech View Post
    I think you and I are saying the same thing really.

    I have met several players that get on a cleric and they heal fine, but if one stay trash mob gets over to them they are completely helpless. Even with a sword and a shield they cant fight, because the player doesnt even think to. Even with max wisdom they can't kill even a rat because the player didn't load one offensive spell, and even on a healbot build can't kill even a skeleton because the player doesnt think of positive energy as a weapon.

    The point I was trying to make is, in many mmos a cleric is a healer, nothing more, nothing less. In this game that is not true.

    I'm not asking him to do it all, just realize you can do much more than just heal, even if it's just in emergency situations. Cleric is a very strong class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivenwolf View Post
    I am new to DDO or at least new since it's first release in which I played for a few months then left for other things. Since I have played many MMO's always as the same class(es) heals.

    So my return will be no different, A cleric will full focus on healing. I am accepting any and all legit, non-troll advice to make a better healer. The more prepared I can be the better it will be for myself and for other players who I am grouped with.

    I would leave my to be created name, however since MMO actually have real people and 25% of those people do things just to be worthless someone would jump on the name ( assuming names can't be reused like other MMO's). Once I do get fully into the game I will post my name, since I will be looking for a guild right away.
    Welcome back to DDO! I too love to play healers and have been playing them in DDO for over 4 years. Clerics may be the strongest healers in DDO, but druids can also be exceptionally skilled healers. In fact I prefer to heal on my druid over all my others. In addition, Favored Souls and even Bards can be made to be very effective healers. I just wanted to make sure you were aware that you have more options than just cleric to be an effective healer.

    Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nachomammashouse View Post
    you have more options than just cleric to be an effective healer.
    THIS

    In fact this is the concept that I enjoy the most about DDO. Choices choices choices. I've run raids where the only healer was a Bard, and they ran great.

    I don't PUG very much at all except for raids, so I can't speak for the PUG community, but I know in my guild, we still often run groups that are interdependent and welcome a Healing focused cleric (or Bard or Druid). There have been quests where the healing cleric himself made a comment about piking the quest, but he knew and we knew, that just because you havn't needed him yet, doesn't mean you wont. Something could go bad at any time and some quick well placed heals can save the day! But, in my opinion, this style of play lends itself to running with a consistent group of players. Sometimes that even backfires - when I built my first cleric, I wanted to focus on heals to learn to play an effective healer. I made an iconic so I cold run Gianthold. I put out the call in Guild chat to join me for some Gianthold and once everyone switched to their characters at level, I was joined by a Paladin and 3 Palemasters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeslieWest_GuitarGod View Post
    Ya know the way I look at what you are saying... if YOU have the time to study the way other people play their characters, what are YOU doing for the party!? Ask not what your party can do for you, ask what you can do for your party!

    Put another way, I'd far rather someone healing party members at their pace, than to have someone who says they can DO IT ALL basically DPS, healing themselves and the lucky few around them, and solo the dang quest on their own (or die trying) instead of working with the group...

    There are far more people in this game who think they can "do it all", and simply can not...The truth is this type of player refuses to do the one thing they were designed to do best, or does it poorly.

    I recommend for new healers to work first on being incredible healers, then work on multi-tasking, to your personal best.
    Well put, see this all the time in PUGs. Just because you got your TR wings... Doesn't make you uber. Learn to perform your primary role well and then expand from there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by haulindonkey View Post
    Well put, see this all the time in PUGs. Just because you got your TR wings... Doesn't make you uber. Learn to perform your primary role well and then expand from there...
    lolz, love the haikus in your sig!

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    lolz, love the haikus in your sig!
    Thank you. They still make me chuckle from time to time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonnbeimnech View Post
    I think you and I are saying the same thing really.

    I have met several players that get on a cleric and they heal fine, but if one stay trash mob gets over to them they are completely helpless. Even with a sword and a shield they cant fight, because the player doesnt even think to. Even with max wisdom they can't kill even a rat because the player didn't load one offensive spell, and even on a healbot build can't kill even a skeleton because the player doesnt think of positive energy as a weapon.

    The point I was trying to make is, in many mmos a cleric is a healer, nothing more, nothing less. In this game that is not true.

    I'm not asking him to do it all, just realize you can do much more than just heal, even if it's just in emergency situations. Cleric is a very strong class.
    My favorite cleric build I did was a dual wielding necro focused build with an occasional divine punishment that healed with aura/burst only. Worked out well in this day and age ddo has become with healers not always needed. Find the type of play you enjoy and do that, will make you happier when doing the ddo thing.

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    My first Character was a cleric and after many lives he is once again a cleric

    As a cleric you have many options. A war Priest (which is my fav), a spell caster, a full time healer, and a combination of any of the 3. I like to splash a couple of melee levels (fighter, paladin, etc) to assist in the war priest dps area.

    Do not be afraid to experiment with the enhancement trees as it only costs some plat to completely change them.

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    Wow what a huge welcome, I am already feeling this game far more than others from my past.

    As it goes without saying I will play my Cleric on my terms with some assistance from those who seem to be knowledgeable enough. However due to my own personal preferences I have decided on a half-orc cleric.

    Now that I have rolled and re-rolled 12+ plus toons to try and find the perfect mix for myself I am really looking forward to looking for a guild. So I figured I will just leave a little bit about me right here and allow the guilds come find me.

    So here is the Me portion.
    I am 35, from Northern California but living in southern California after 10 years and 3 tours overseas by way of the US Navy. The only thing I love more than my D&D is my 49ers. (No tough loss comments, I am well aware an it still stings) I began my MMO with Everquest which was short lived because I got a closed beta test invite to a game better known as WOW. My first toon was a paladin in which I was told I was not able to heal....Which only lit a fire under my ( you know) and I proved people wrong constantly standing on the top of the healing charts ( once they came along) Upper black rock was my first raid which lead to MC and so forth. I never would stand back and stake "Your class can't heal" for an answer, So I began a prove myself until I was considered a top end healer ( which was a struggle competing with Priests). I pulled my brother in to my groups and taught he what I knew, he rolled a druid as heals and was giving me a run for my money at level 58 (the bare minimum for that 40 man raid) we were a amazing tandem. By the time ZG was the top raid, I was getting burnt out and headed to DDO, since I have always had ties to ADD (Advanced Dungeons and Dragons for those wondering) The game was good but lacking for the price it was asking.
    My biggest flaw ( in others people's eyes) is my desire to win. I hate losing, I hate being behind. I want to be the best at everything I do. I have officially beaten world of warcraft ( once you kick the habit you have won). So DDO will now fill that slot, I have even found out the signal strength at Levi Stadium is strong enough to run DDO during the game so I can do two things at once.
    I will be dedicating my time to getting myself raid ready no matter the time and effort that needs to go into it. I am a raider and always have been soloing is fun from time to time, but if you're not shooting for end game content then I think you're wasting your time.


    My Cleric's Name is Yurki Blacktooth if you are interested in bringing in a new DDO but old MMO healer ( I have no desire to do anything else) then leave your guild website here or even hit me up in game. No offense to those who don't have a guild website, but I am personally looking for something a little more organized and serious. You can also hit me up in game.

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    Healing people in DDO is extremally boring.
    You don't have skill rotation, you don't have one spell affecting how the next one works, you dont have small fast heal and long stron heal spells (all healing spells except mass heal take same time to cast), this all makes healing in DDO F2-f12 -> click Heal spell button, repeat until quest is done.
    Healing takes no skill at all, you just need to get quicken feat, mana item and positive spellpower item.
    At epic levels its even more boring, with epic destinies.
    That's of course about character made in wow styled trinity, where healer is guy that stans in back doing nothing but healing.
    In DDO its almost always better to throw CC spell at mob than to wait until it damages someone to fully heal ally clicking 2 buttons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivenwolf View Post
    Wow what a huge welcome, I am already feeling this game far more than others from my past.

    As it goes without saying I will play my Cleric on my terms with some assistance from those who seem to be knowledgeable enough. However due to my own personal preferences I have decided on a half-orc cleric.

    Now that I have rolled and re-rolled 12+ plus toons to try and find the perfect mix for myself I am really looking forward to looking for a guild. So I figured I will just leave a little bit about me right here and allow the guilds come find me.

    So here is the Me portion.
    I am 35, from Northern California but living in southern California after 10 years and 3 tours overseas by way of the US Navy. The only thing I love more than my D&D is my 49ers. (No tough loss comments, I am well aware an it still stings) I began my MMO with Everquest which was short lived because I got a closed beta test invite to a game better known as WOW. My first toon was a paladin in which I was told I was not able to heal....Which only lit a fire under my ( you know) and I proved people wrong constantly standing on the top of the healing charts ( once they came along) Upper black rock was my first raid which lead to MC and so forth. I never would stand back and stake "Your class can't heal" for an answer, So I began a prove myself until I was considered a top end healer ( which was a struggle competing with Priests). I pulled my brother in to my groups and taught he what I knew, he rolled a druid as heals and was giving me a run for my money at level 58 (the bare minimum for that 40 man raid) we were a amazing tandem. By the time ZG was the top raid, I was getting burnt out and headed to DDO, since I have always had ties to ADD (Advanced Dungeons and Dragons for those wondering) The game was good but lacking for the price it was asking.
    My biggest flaw ( in others people's eyes) is my desire to win. I hate losing, I hate being behind. I want to be the best at everything I do. I have officially beaten world of warcraft ( once you kick the habit you have won). So DDO will now fill that slot, I have even found out the signal strength at Levi Stadium is strong enough to run DDO during the game so I can do two things at once.
    I will be dedicating my time to getting myself raid ready no matter the time and effort that needs to go into it. I am a raider and always have been soloing is fun from time to time, but if you're not shooting for end game content then I think you're wasting your time.


    My Cleric's Name is Yurki Blacktooth if you are interested in bringing in a new DDO but old MMO healer ( I have no desire to do anything else) then leave your guild website here or even hit me up in game. No offense to those who don't have a guild website, but I am personally looking for something a little more organized and serious. You can also hit me up in game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vellrad View Post
    Healing people in DDO is extremally boring.
    You don't have skill rotation, you don't have one spell affecting how the next one works, you dont have small fast heal and long stron heal spells (all healing spells except mass heal take same time to cast), this all makes healing in DDO F2-f12 -> click Heal spell button, repeat until quest is done.
    Healing takes no skill at all, you just need to get quicken feat, mana item and positive spellpower item.
    At epic levels its even more boring, with epic destinies.
    That's of course about character made in wow styled trinity, where healer is guy that stans in back doing nothing but healing.
    In DDO its almost always better to throw CC spell at mob than to wait until it damages someone to fully heal ally clicking 2 buttons.
    I have come to realize this, healing has always been boring from day one...in almost every MMO. However with that said that roles is needed, someone needs to make that sacrifice to get the job done. The same can be said for being in the military and putting your life on the line for the benefit of other people. Not everyone is willing to risk their time to stop and help people stranded in the road, But corpsmen live in different mind sets.
    Boring or not I think I will be okay in the game with the healing job. I will find away to enjoy it. Here is a hint, keeping people alive 1 button at a time will do it. For me it is all about winning with no loss of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivenwolf View Post
    Boring or not I think I will be okay in the game with the healing job. I will find away to enjoy it. Here is a hint, keeping people alive 1 button at a time will do it. For me it is all about winning with no loss of life.
    A dedicated healer is definitely playable. My only advice is to not build for it. If a dedicated healer heals at a 10 out of 10, a cleric built to do other things heals at a 9 out of 10 but (obviously) can do other things as well when healing isn't needed. A healer that's built to do nothing but heal is a bummer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EllisDee37 View Post
    A dedicated healer is definitely playable. My only advice is to not build for it. If a dedicated healer heals at a 10 out of 10, a cleric built to do other things heals at a 9 out of 10 but (obviously) can do other things as well when healing isn't needed. A healer that's built to do nothing but heal is a bummer.
    If the other 11 party members can't provide sufficient dps to pull off the raid without the cleric adding more dps something is wrong.

    I prefer to have a healing-spec'd divine in my raid over a dps cleric. The problem is that this is not the case with xp questing which are mostly zerg fests that require little healing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthCaedus View Post
    If the other 11 party members can't provide sufficient dps to pull off the raid without the cleric adding more dps something is wrong.

    I prefer to have a healing-spec'd divine in my raid over a dps cleric. The problem is that this is not the case with xp questing which are mostly zerg fests that require little healing.
    I think he meant building to only heal is overkill.

    Which I agree with. I recommend trying to have some DPS and/or survivability in addition to having good heals.

    You will probably solo something at some point, after all.

    But taking the role of "dedicated healer" now and then, particularly in a raid, is something I often do and often is helpful IMO.

    My DPS is nice enough, but nothing compared to the other 11 pounding away without worrying about healing themselves at all.

    It becomes quite clear quite fast if the group is awesome and doesn't need me watching the HP.

    But if 3 or 4 are inclined to <DING> I'd rather just toss a DP on the boss when off cool-down and otherwise focus on keeping those folks vertical so they can DPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthCaedus View Post
    If the other 11 party members can't provide sufficient dps to pull off the raid without the cleric adding more dps something is wrong.
    I never addressed the question of what to do during raids.

    Saying that you'd rather have a healbot-spec in a raid is similar to saying you'd rather have pure-dps no-self-sufficiency everyone else in the raid. Neither type of build (healbot, no-self-sufficiency) is a wise choice in today's game.

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