Need Clarification on Bravery Bonus

[Meat-Head]

Hello DDO Brethren and Sistren,


There is confusion among the peoples. I seek wisdom.


Does bravery bonus work like this:

Quest 1: ENNNNNNNHC
Quest 2: ENNNNNNNHC (maintaining bravery bonus since the FIRST time you run the quest it's on leet
Quest 3: ENNNNNNNHC (see above)


OR does it work like this:


Quest 1: Elite
Quest 2: Elite
Quest 3: Elite
Quest 4: Elite
.....
.....
Quest 1: NNNNNNHC
Quest 2: NNNNNNHC


In other words, do you maintain your bonus as long as the FIRST time you do it it's leet, or do you have to run elites un-interrupted to maintain bonus?


Any help is appreciated.

[Templarion]

Excellent question.

I really don't know but I have understood (and I hope) that once you do the quest on elite it is "flagged on elite" and you can do anything you want and you still keep the bravery bonus if you come back to do it again.

Not sure though. Just me hoping...

[The_Brave2]

Let me try to explain it.
If a quest has never been run by your character (i.e. it's 'virgin' to him/her) then you qualify to get a Bravery bonus by running it on either hard or elite.
Failing and trying multiple times doesn't matter.
Once you complete it on either hard or elite, you get a Bravery Bonus. This is on top of the one time difficulty bonus that you already enjoy.
Now, this quest is no longer 'virgin' and you're free to re-run it 10,000 times without having it affect future Bravery bonuses.
Now you go and complete another virgin quest on hard or elite. This starts a streak. Now you get the one time difficulty bonus, plus a bravery bonus PLUS an additional bonus for having a streak going.
Streaks stack up to 5 times and a completion of Elite counts as both a Hard AND Elite streak. In other words, if you complete Elite 3 times in a row, your streaks look like:
Hard: 3 Elite: 3
A hard streak is 5% per and elite is 10%, so you would get a 30% bonus in this case.
If you end up completing the next virgin quest on Hard, your Elite streak is reset but Hard continues:
Hard: 4 Elite: 0
In this case you get a 20% bonus (4 x 5%).
You can start your Elite streak back up, but because we always apply the highest bonus, you would get 25% for Hard (5 x 5%) until your Elite streak bonus surpassed the Hard streak bonus.

So...

1: ENNNNNNN
2: ENNNNNNN
3: ENNNNNNN

from what I get out of that.

Edit: Also, 999 posts.. must..find..random thread...to..post..on O_O

[Cordovan]

Correct, Bravery Bonus is based on the first time you enter a quest on a character, so if you go into quest A on Elite, then run A on Normal, then quest B on Elite, you'll still maintain your Bravery Bonus.

Technically, Meat-Head, both your examples would maintain your Bravery Bonus, except in the 2nd example you'd lose your Bravery Bonus if you ran a not-included Quest 5 on Normal for the first time.

[Fetchi]

If the streak is maxed at 5, when you do your 6th quest on elite, does it reset back to 1 or continue at max 5?

[Meat-Head]

Correct, Bravery Bonus is based on the first time you enter a quest on a character, so if you go into quest A on Elite, then run A on Normal, then quest B on Elite, you'll still maintain your Bravery Bonus.

Technically, Meat-Head, both your examples would maintain your Bravery Bonus, except in the 2nd example you'd lose your Bravery Bonus if you ran a not-included Quest 5 on Normal for the first time.

AWESOME! Thank you!

[Cordovan]

If the streak is maxed at 5, when you do your 6th quest on elite, does it reset back to 1 or continue at max 5?

It continues at the max of five. In other words, you will continue to maintain your Bravery Bonus for as long as you continue to enter quests for the first time on Elite (or Hard, if you are running up a Bravery Bonus streak by running quests on Hard.)

[Ovrad]

One thing I'm not sure about, the bravery bonus is only applied when doing a quest for the very first time right?

Meaning:
Run 1, elite: You get a bravery count+1 for elite, and the whole bonus of your previous streaks.
Run 2, normal: Your streak is unaffected, but you also get no bonus from it.

Is this correct?

[rimble]

One thing I'm not sure about, the bravery bonus is only applied when doing a quest for the very first time right?

Meaning:
Run 1, elite: You get a bravery count+1 for elite, and the whole bonus of your previous streaks.
Run 2, normal: Your streak is unaffected, but you also get no bonus from it.

Is this correct?

Yes.

[Ovrad]

Thanks

[TheDjinnFor]

Just to clarify for all, in case anyone still doesn't fully get it.

If you're running a quest for the first time ever in that TR life, and you run it on:

1. Normal, your hard streak is reset to zero and your elite streak is reset to zero. You get no bravery bonus and no streak bonus, but you get a "first time on normal" bonus as usual.

2. Hard, your hard streak increases by 1 (to a maximum of 5) and your elite streak is reset to zero. You gain a bravery bonus based on the difficulty, and a streak bonus based on your streak (hard streak = +5% per streak, up to 25%). You also get a "first time on hard" bonus, as usual.

3. Elite, your hard streak increases by 1 (to a maximum of 5) and your elite streak increases by 1 (to a maximum of 5). You gain a bravery bonus based on the difficulty, and a streak bonus based on your streak (a hard streak = +5% per level, up to +25%, and an elite streak = +10% per level, up to +50%; the game picks the higher bonus of the two and gives it to you). You also get a "first time on elite" bonus, as usual.

If you're not running it for the first time ever in that TR life, your bravery streak is unaffected (neither increases nor decreases), you don't get a bravery bonus, you don't get a streak bonus, and you may get a "first time on xxx difficulty", if it's your first time on that difficulty. Edit: Running a quest that is not within 2 levels of your current level (after difficulty modifiers) doesn't affect your streak. Failing or retries don't count towards your streak.

That should cover all the possibilities.

[Bodic]

lets not forget that you must be no more than 2 lvls above normal to attain bonus.

if it works liek it should that is.

[Cordovan]

Just to clarify for all, in case anyone still doesn't fully get it.

If you're running a quest for the first time ever in that TR life, and you run it on:

1. Normal, your hard streak is reset to zero and your elite streak is reset to zero. You get no bravery bonus and no streak bonus, but you get a "first time on normal" bonus as usual.

2. Hard, your hard streak increases by 1 (to a maximum of 5) and your elite streak is reset to zero. You gain a bravery bonus based on the difficulty, and a streak bonus based on your streak (hard streak = +5% per streak, up to 25%). You also get a "first time on hard" bonus, as usual.

3. Elite, your hard streak increases by 1 (to a maximum of 5) and your elite streak increases by 1 (to a maximum of 5). You gain a bravery bonus based on the difficulty, and a streak bonus based on your streak (a hard streak = +5% per level, up to +25%, and an elite streak = +10% per level, up to +50%; the game picks the higher bonus of the two and gives it to you). You also get a "first time on elite" bonus, as usual.

If you're not running it for the first time ever in that TR life, your bravery streak is unaffected (neither increases nor decreases), you don't get a bravery bonus, you don't get a streak bonus, and you may get a "first time on xxx difficulty", if it's your first time on that difficulty.

That should cover all the possibilities.

Correct, great explanation. The only thing I'd add is that the "as usual" bonus on first-time Normal, Hard, and Elite bonus is actually being increased in Update 11 compared to what is currently on Live. XP Rewards for first time completion on normal, hard, and elite will be 25%, 40% and 80% respectively, when U11 hits the live servers.

[kinar]

one last point of clarification (since we are in a clarification thread)...

When exactly does the streak get reset? When you enter? Or when you complete.

For example, if a character has an elite streak of 5 and enters new quest on normal but doesn't finish (recall out before finishing)...is the streak broken at that point or does it only count on completion?

Similarly, if you enter that new quest on elite but are unable to finish for whatever reason, is your streak broken at that point or can you start over on elite and try again?

[Desonde]

What happens if your hard streak nets more than the elite streak when completing on elite?

eg. Three Quests on Hard for the first time = 15%, Fourth Quest Elite for the first time, would that be 10% or 20%(based on the hard streak adding up to 4)?

[smeggy1384]

What happens if your hard streak nets more than the elite streak when completing on elite?

eg. Three Quests on Hard for the first time = 15%, Fourth Quest Elite for the first time, would that be 10% or 20%(based on the hard streak adding up to 4)?

You'd be entering elite with the 15% bonus from hard, on completing you start an elite streak so next elite you go for gets a 10% bonus.

"Similarly, if you enter that new quest on elite but are unable to finish for whatever reason, is your streak broken at that point or can you start over on elite and try again?"
In answer to that, i failed the bookbinder rescue on elite on test server, reentered and my streak continued.

[TheDjinnFor]

What happens if your hard streak nets more than the elite streak when completing on elite?

eg. Three Quests on Hard for the first time = 15%, Fourth Quest Elite for the first time, would that be 10% or 20%(based on the hard streak adding up to 4)?

See green:

3. Elite, your hard streak increases by 1 (to a maximum of 5) and your elite streak increases by 1 (to a maximum of 5). You gain a bravery bonus based on the difficulty, and a streak bonus based on your streak (a hard streak = +5% per level, up to +25%, and an elite streak = +10% per level, up to +50%; the game picks the higher bonus of the two and gives it to you). You also get a "first time on elite" bonus, as usual.

[Desonde]

See green:

Brilliant, thanks.

[patang01]

For people who prefer to solo I assume the best way of doing it is to first run with a good group several quests on elite (say a chain) simply to max out first time bravery bonus and then go back and redo the quests on normal unless it's a group that tend to redo the quest right away before moving on.

This is definately going to be great for semi-permanent TR groups and useful even for people leveling up or TRing without a permanent group. I would assume however that any solo effort will run into a wall around level 10 unless you run the strategy of always be one level over the quests you run to get hard at least or take a chance on elite. But the first 10 is definately going to be a quicker event of TRing from now on and I'm all for that.

[Xgemina]

What happens if you enter the quest on hard/elite and wipe/fail requiring you to repeat the quest? Does that end your streak?