Archer guide

[Mr_Ed7]

Yeah? And I was in a VoN 5 group just this week where we failed because the DPS wasn't sufficient (due in no small part to dual archers) against the final boss.

The fact that the melees (mostly me and one other) weren't getting proper heals really helped to contribute to the wipe, but with two true DPS character we'd still have been fine. Once the melees dropped the two archers couldn't even deal enough damage to prevent regeneration.

Now you say to let them play whatever they want, but if you're in a group with someone that just sits at the entrance to the quest the whole time don't you get a little offended? The only noticable difference between the obvious piker and the archer is that the archer holds down the W key during the quest.

Use your hate young Padwan...
Maybe you were actually missing an archer...

[Aranticus]

Different tactics, different builds.

One less guy for the cleric to heal...?

you play a cleic in shroud? an archer represents 1 more target to heal

[Aranticus]

Use your hate young Padwan...
Maybe you were actually missing an archer...

i wonder what your jedi master paladin does in there...

[Slink]

keep going!

Gonna start using my MW crossbow on portals!

[Demoyn]

Different tactics, different builds.

One less guy for the cleric to heal...?

Speaking as a cleric in Shroud, I despise archers for a whole different reason. I despise them because they AREN'T one less guy to heal... I have to waste a whole seperate heal timer on them because they aren't with the group. I'd just let them die, but then someone always wants to back out of combat to give the gimp a rez, which just takes that much longer to complete.

[Demoyn]

Failure in VoN5 means a failure of dps, whether it be melee or ranged.

In this particular case it wasn't the DPS that lead to the failure, but the healing. I didn't receive a single heal in that fight, nor did the other guy who did good DPS that took aggro after I died (and no, I wasn't squishy - the clerics were just that bad). Regardless... we could have killed it without healing if the rangers would have been tempest specced instead of gimp specced.

[Jay203]

In this particular case it wasn't the DPS that lead to the failure, but the healing. I didn't receive a single heal in that fight, nor did the other guy who did good DPS that took aggro after I died (and no, I wasn't squishy - the clerics were just that bad). Regardless... we could have killed it without healing if the rangers would have been tempest specced instead of gimp specced.

hah, rangers are drama queens/ magnets
True archers go Fighter splash

[96th_Malice]

You could have just as easily pointed out that the melees sucky ability to avoid dying caused the wipe.
.

LOL

100% that was the problem !!!

hehe

[Gornn]

What I WILL say...even though range spec is the worst damage output you can have...

I joined a Shroud. They're like "let's do hard" I'm like "I only haved this ranged POS off timer" they're like "fine fine"

We got through part 4 but basically part 5 was a wipe except for myself, another ranger and the bard, with harry at 50%. The bard kept buffing like he wanted to continue the quest. And i'm like "you wanna keep going or something?" the bard is like yes. So we keep fighting.

We eventually killed harry. Sure, it took us an hour to get him down, but it sure was fun!

(I would have rather finished it in 5 minutes with some good melees but...)

[96th_Malice]

Speaking as a cleric in Shroud, I despise archers for a whole different reason. I despise them because they AREN'T one less guy to heal... I have to waste a whole seperate heal timer on them because they aren't with the group. I'd just let them die, but then someone always wants to back out of combat to give the gimp a rez, which just takes that much longer to complete.

Wow !! not sure whos archers you're running with

BUT

Unless its a delayed blast fireball I miss seeing being targeted on myself and I fail a saving throw ..... I can not think of one time I have had to get a rez in the Shroud !!

Other than when you Clerics die first !!

Whine at the sorcs .... they are the ones that keep dying !!

You're just running with the wrong archers !!



We are pretty self sufficient and dont require very much of your mana .... Well maybe a TS and we are good to go !

[Gornn]

Wow !! not sure whos archers you're running with

BUT

Unless its a delayed blast fireball I miss seeing being targeted on myself and I fail a saving throw ..... I can not think of one time I have had to get a rez in the Shroud !!

Other than when you Clerics die first !!

Whine at the sorcs .... they are the ones that keep dying !!

You're just running with the wrong archers !!



We are pretty self sufficient and dont require very much of your mana .... Well maybe a TS and we are good to go !

We get it. You like archers.

[96th_Malice]

you play a cleic in shroud? an archer represents 1 more target to heal

How is an archer different than anyone else to heal ? Its not an additional person in the party .... Its not like there is a Raid group of 12 ...... oh ya wait 13 there is an archer !



Guaranteed we are going to take WAY less damage than the whack job melee in arms reach of Harry !

And the whole mindset of we as ranged toons are not contributing to the party!!

Wrong again !

I am gonna start suggesting to the melee's in the shroud to start keeping up with killing AND be able to keep themselves buffed and healed at the same time !!

Oh wait .... they cant !!

GIMPS !!



We are not a hinderance .... we save clerics plat and mana !!

[96th_Malice]

We get it. You like archers.

I don't know what you're talking about Gornn !!



More to the point though, I like making sure Demoyn knows I like them !

hehe

[NXPlasmid]

I don't know what you're talking about Gornn !!



More to the point though, I like making sure Demoyn knows I like them !

hehe

96th you're my new Arch-er enemy. (he he he I made funny!)

[Demoyn]

Wow !! not sure whos archers you're running with

Unfortunately I run with a LOT of archers. I've seen maybe two that I didn't hate, but none that I actually liked.

You're just running with the wrong archers !!

Apparently that's somewhere around 99.870234979852364936% of the archer population.

We are pretty self sufficient and dont require very much of your mana .... Well maybe a TS and we are good to go !

Well you guys better hope so, because I don't bother wasting my mana on archers except in rare cases (I do keep a few extra backpack slots for all the archer stones I seem to collect, though).

[Slink]

Well you guys better hope so, because I don't bother wasting my mana on archers except in rare cases (I do keep a few extra backpack slots for all the archer stones I seem to collect, though).

I know it can be a hard call when your mana bar is low but..
Not the archers fault you splashed both your clerics is it?
/snicker

The only problem I have with archers is when they are ranging portals.
Beyond that, play the way you like, whenever you want.
Unless someone wants to pay my sub, don't tell me how to play.
All the bickering about rangers pulling agro while all the tanks never put one point into intim...
Save your b**chin' for someone else plz.

[NXPlasmid]

Apparently that's somewhere around 99.870234979852364936% of the archer population.

To be fair I think that number is a lot closer to 98% than what you have put up.

[NXPlasmid]

I know it can be a hard call when your mana bar is low but..
Not the archers fault you splashed both your clerics is it?
/snicker

The only problem I have with archers is when they are ranging portals.
Beyond that, play the way you like, whenever you want.
Unless someone wants to pay my sub, don't tell me how to play.
All the bickering about rangers pulling agro while all the tanks never put one point into intim...
Save your b**chin' for someone else plz.

Oh great. Mr. Reasonable, can't we save these sorts of comments for threads in the Thelanis forums...

[spifflove]

In this particular case it wasn't the DPS that lead to the failure, but the healing. I didn't receive a single heal in that fight, nor did the other guy who did good DPS that took aggro after I died (and no, I wasn't squishy - the clerics were just that bad). Regardless... we could have killed it without healing if the rangers would have been tempest specced instead of gimp specced.

I just can't see any group nowadays pug or not that can't take that boss down with 6 people or less. I think what is happening is an influx in new players in general. The solution is stronger leadership.

[Zenako]

All the bickering about rangers pulling agro while all the tanks never put one point into intim...
Save your b**chin' for someone else plz.

What really gets me is when an archer pulls AGRO AWAY from a melee that already engaged it and had the mobs attention! HELLO, who has the dps here? Thought it was the melee by default? Guess it is not always that way ... actually seen it happen. Guess some melees can blow chunks too...

(In fairness, what might be happening is that some melees seem to have trouble staying close enough to a moving mob and end up wasting swings in the air, while the archer just keeps on hitting and hitting the target with almost no concern about the mob jumping about or moving. The continuous stream of damage could be what overpowers that early burst of melee DPS.)