Paladin: Defender of Siberys

[Tanka]

Tell me with a what a 24/26 str, maybe 28 (assuming you take bare minimums in everything else) how many raid bosses do you think these characters will be hitting in order to hold the aggro.

The aggro system, as it now works, you hold the aggro for about 20 seconds before someone actually doing damage pulls it away.

You'll be better off with a Relativily High DPS/AC build holding the aggro. (Think Dex Ranger/Rogue in a Dress with a 60ish AC tanking.

Try 26-28 Str (depends on if you get a +2 tome), plus GH, plus bard songs, plus iterative attack bonuses...

If you, as a player, are missing more often than not, then you either need to reconsider stat allocation when you reroll, or you need to turn off CE because you're obviously not bringing AC to the party anyway since you're not hitting.

[Dexxaan]

Ok, math lesson

+5 MFP is 13 armor, 3 MD, DT fullplate is 15 armor, 1 MD. Meaning that even with a daggertooth belt, and this full line, your max dex on it would be 5. Which if at level 20 your build isnt able to hit a 20 dexterity and your built for AC, reroll. Dwarves could potentially push that to a max dex of 8, which means 26 dex needed,where you would almost have a leg to stand on.

So now a dwarf pally is looking at a

10 base
15 armor
9 shield
7 dex (7 DEX with a Tower Shield? )
2 alc
5 prot
5 bark (Easily available give the huge Qty of Rangers out there...but not on solo or just rezzed mode)
10 dodge (assuming CRing/DT + feat + ???? Please detail)
5 CE
4 insight (Wont stack if your using DTFP effec or leviks III)
5 aura
_________
77,nevermind outside buffs and the boost to his auras

Please recalculate.

Red = Holes need patching.

Seems to me it is an awful high cost to build a character that won't be able to hit anything; hence won't be getting aggro regardless of how much the modifier is...

Just my thoughts

Your thoughts are (IMO) unfortunately wrong.

If you want to give some credibility to your statement pls detail some #´s. As of now maybe if on Elite an just rezzed (no Buffs) most builds (except Fighters, and a Barb?)

[jmonty]

Please recalculate.

Red = Holes need patching.



Your thoughts are (IMO) unfortunately wrong.

If you want to give some credibility to your statement pls detail some #´s. As of now maybe if on Elite an just rezzed (no Buffs) most builds (except Fighters, and a Barb?)

(7 DEX with a Tower Shield?)

for the tower shield isn't it max dex of +4 for mithral, then +3 more from the 3rd tier of the PrE?

[Tanka]

(7 DEX with a Tower Shield?)

for the tower shield isn't it max dex of +4 for mithral, then +3 more from the 3rd tier of the PrE?

Unknown. It isn't said anywhere if any of the MDB increases will stack.

[Dexxaan]

(7 DEX with a Tower Shield?)

for the tower shield isn't it max dex of +4 for mithral, then +3 more from the 3rd tier of the PrE?

Yep.! I stand corrected if the effect is cumulative.

[dragnmoon]

Wait.... It doesn't say Official Preview.... Is it not official then?..

[jmonty]

Wait.... It doesn't say Official Preview.... Is it not official then?..

*checks calender*

it isn't april 1st..

[Inspire]

What I am concerned about is if these stances can be used with other stances such as CE. If not there is not any AC benefit to be had here. Same with power attack. If they do stack then pallys will be getting a decent boost.

Monk stances work with PA and CE, I dont see why these shouldnt.

[elraido]

Would the 20dr/epic stack with the shield blocking dr of leviks defender (25 dr blocking)?

[Milolyen]

(7 DEX with a Tower Shield?)

for the tower shield isn't it max dex of +4 for mithral, then +3 more from the 3rd tier of the PrE?

We don't know if it is +3 added to max dex of a tower shield or just a +1 to max dex (ie they are not stacking bonuses) so to be on safe side for number crunching I would just use a +5 max dex bonus for mithral tower shield.

levik 3 would make it +5 insight bonus, but then could not use the bracers for +2 dodge (which I assume you are with the +10 dodge bonus CR for +3, dodge feat +1, bracers +2, stance for +4 = 10) but you can still get the levik 2 (shield/DT sov combo) for perm +3 insight or the +4 from shroud weapon (which means those are the only weapons you use for that to count).

Milolyen

[jmonty]

Wait.... It doesn't say Official Preview.... Is it not official then?..

if they do, i'll this this PrE, on one of my pallys at least, one with 2 lvls of fighter. probably will take it either way, but my original 28 point pure pally i'm not sure. (no CE, shield mastery, or towershield prof. )

[Aesop]

Would the 20dr/epic stack with the shield blocking dr of leviks defender (25 dr blocking)?

Shield Blocking is calculated by


Passive DR + [(BAB / 2) + 2 + Shield DR rating (now includes Shield Enhancement) + Shield Mastery Feats + Shield Mastery Enhancements]


the DR 20/Epic would count as Passive DR so it will stack

so a lvl 20 Dwarven Paladin with this Active and both Shield Mastery Feat and Enhancements would have

20 DR/epic +[10(bab/2) + 2 + 15(leviks) + 6(shield mastery and Imp) + 3(dwarven enh)] = 61





Aesop

[Inspire]

Ac; Current(Unbuffed)

10 Base
4 Dex
15 Armor(DT)
9 Shield
5 Deflection
4 Dodge(Ring/Feat)
5 Misc(Aura)
6 Feat(CE/Dodge)
5 Insight(LD III)
2 Ritual
Total(Unbuffed) Ac: 63


Defender Ac;

4 Dodge(Superior Stance)
2 Tower/Armor Dex Increase(With +3Dex tome could be 3)


Unbuffed Current/Defender Ac; 63/69


Did I miss anything?

[Aesop]

Ac; Current(Unbuffed)

10 Base
4 Dex
15 Armor(DT)
9 Shield
5 Deflection
4 Dodge(Ring/Feat)
5 Misc(Aura)
6 Feat(CE/Dodge)
5 Insight(LD III)
2 Ritual
Total(Unbuffed) Ac: 63


Defender Ac;

4 Dodge(Superior Stance)
2 Tower/Armor Dex Increase(With +3Dex tome could be 3)


Unbuffed Current/Defender Ac; 63/69


Did I miss anything?

did you double up on the Dodge Feat there?

Ring + Feat you have listed but you have CE and Dodge listed under Feat

Aesop

[Junts]

unless atlantean is a dwarf, too, you cant have a 4 mdb from it

[Inspire]

did you double up on the Dodge Feat there?

Ring + Feat you have listed but you have CE and Dodge listed under Feat

Aesop

Hmm the 6 feat must come from somewhere else... CE and ? character sheet dosent say.

[DaveyCrockett]

did you double up on the Dodge Feat there?

Ring + Feat you have listed but you have CE and Dodge listed under Feat

Aesop

I think he meant to have Ring/Alchemical

[Junts]

dodge feat shows as a feat bonus on the sheet

[Inspire]

unless atlantean is a dwarf, too, you cant have a 4 mdb from it

Daggertooths belt.

[Junts]

moves the dt mdb from 1 to 3.

i use it too