Are you helping DDO grow ?

[Aspenor]

What, so to surmise you are saying that because you and a few select elitist people with a high and mighty "we are all that" attitude decided to band
together and form an "elitist only" usermadewannaPoSguildchatchannelbutweareaguild!, uh, guild?

And you say thats helping DDO grow? Oh yeah you are doing your part.

Let me serve you a little bit of reality pal.

Before I read your self-plugging, self-promoting, long winded post, I never even knew you existed.
And I speak for all when I say, I dont really care. I dont think anyone else does for that matter either.

So you take your big uber "we can beat any content you can throw at us" <see above for wannabe guild name> guild
and shove it.

WE DONT CARE.

While you are at it, have fun fading into obscurity.

Just for the fact that you and a select few can do any content turbine throws at you, doesnt show that you are helping "DDO Grow".

Why dont you "grow a pair" and take you and your elite buddies to the test server and beat the content there before it gets released then you can help "DDO Grow"
by showing the devs they absolutely know jack about coding a bug free game.

I am done sir.


-Stabbert

Did you even bother to read Al's post?

He basically was verbally pondering whether these actions are good for the game. He did not claim that he was furthering the game through these playstyle methods.

He has a point.

However, your accusatory tone is completely unnecessary.

[Anarkius]

Personally, I do my best to help those that are in need of help. No matter if they be straight off the boat noobs or have been around since beta. I was fortunate enough when I came to this game to be picked up by a guild and different PUGs that were more than willing to show me around, explain to me why things are done in such and such order. Why characters are built a certain way, etc.

However, I will admit most of my time is spent soloing. I will usually only jump into a PUG on RARE occassion and guild runs become the same old grind after a time. I have a tendancy to reroll toons on a frequent basis just because I want to tweak this skill or travel down a different path with a build I was experimenting with. I jump from server to server and have active toons on ALL of the US servers. None of which are capped...and scary enough I like it that way. It is frustrating sometimes, but with all great games there has to be a certain level of frustration in order to keep you interested. What is the fun in just being able to sail through an upper level quest? I pick up ppl that are looking for group or join groups that are looking for 'generic' builds.

If people ask my opinion on something I give it - sometimes even when it is not asked. I feel that if a newer group of players need 'coaching' through a quest I offer it - and if it is accepted great if not....that's ok too. The game is designed more for social interaction even though some of the players (myself included depending on mood) are rather anti-social. For instance I was running around on Thelanis with a new reroll yesterday and someone asked how to drop from a group they didn't mean to join (don't know how that happened). So I told them how to drop group and got flamed by a couple of ppl cause they thought I was trying to pick that player up for my group. Frankly I had no intentions of grouping at that time - so I simply stated that was not my intention since I was soloing Cerulean Hills at that time. Never heard anything else about it. Then again I was too busy killing bugbears and orcs to really pay attention.

My point is .... I try to help DDO grow by being as helpful as I can. Right or wrong. In RL I try to get ppl to join in the fun. So far only 1 of my RL buddies has gotten a subscription, but I travel in small circles in RL too. But it is easier for others to get friends to join if they have a good experience and can say - I like the people on the game. After all isnt DDo nothing more than a social experiment?

[soupertc]

my buddy who plays with me is a Prof. in college...and has the patience to lead a quest without getting frustrated. I on the other hand at times just want to throttle some people. I remember when I 1st started playing the game there were 2 players who helped me along....showe me the ropes. I meet both these players in PUGs and they made me better player just by watching them do thier thing. Even though I'm not good at it(I like to ZERG, my buddy not so much all the time) I will try to help someone if they ask...or they seem to need it.

I tend to get a little more upset with older players who think they know what thier doing than new players. Nothing worse than having someone who acts like a know it all in the group....it's the most painful DDO experince ever.

[RATRACE931]

I do my best, im a total **** to slow people in quest but as soon as they admitt to being new or newer i continue to be a **** but i do honestly stop and explain whats happening, why we are doing stuff, everything helpful i can think of.

[Rameses]

Stabbert, seriously man.
Al was contemplating if having an "elitist" (as you call it) private channel is a hindrance to the growth of DDO's player base. Be it in new player rentention or skill level.

I am, Rameses!

[Draccus]

Aren't we all helping by paying our monthly fee?

The question was about growth, so the answer is no.

[DoctorWhofan]

What, so to surmise you are saying that because you and a few select elitist people with a high and mighty "we are all that" attitude decided to band
together and form an "elitist only" usermadewannaPoSguildchatchannelbutweareaguild!, uh, guild?

And you say thats helping DDO grow? Oh yeah you are doing your part.

Let me serve you a little bit of reality pal.

Before I read your self-plugging, self-promoting, long winded post, I never even knew you existed.
And I speak for all when I say, I dont really care. I dont think anyone else does for that matter either.

So you take your big uber "we can beat any content you can throw at us" <see above for wannabe guild name> guild
and shove it.

WE DONT CARE.

While you are at it, have fun fading into obscurity.

Just for the fact that you and a select few can do any content turbine throws at you, doesnt show that you are helping "DDO Grow".

Why dont you "grow a pair" and take you and your elite buddies to the test server and beat the content there before it gets released then you can help "DDO Grow"
by showing the devs they absolutely know jack about coding a bug free game.

I am done sir.


-Stabbert

Of all the things...That was a little rude, sir, and not helpful at all.

To reiterate:

NO--the channels do not promote new growth. Ironically, by making it easier to communicate with people of different guilds therefore putting parties together a snap, new people, are now have less quantity and QUALITY PuGs to choose from in the LFMs.


am I promoting growth by helping a new person?


YES. I do NOT use the new channels, and I PuG using the LFM. I often go to the harbor with pots or wands and talk to the new people there. I try to answertheir questions and help them. I keep a low level on hand to help run them through quests if needed.


Stabbert, instead of getting nasty, reread the OP's post and tell me what you are doing, besides promoting good will in the forums.

[Samy]

The question was about growth, so the answer is no.

A part of our subscription goes to the marketing department.

Say, of our $15, every $1 goes to the marketing department or something like that.

That's going to be a lot more help to growing the game than any attempts in-game ever will.

So the answer is yes.

[totmacher]

I have been asking myself this question more and more frequently these past days. Since the creation of user-made channels, I was lucky to get invited into one of Argonnessen´s most prolific alliances to date, involving top players from almost all the major guilds. During a normal session, we form up raids using the channel, fully aware of the skills of all the members. "Noobs" are usually avoided and when the LFM has to go up, we actively discriminate according to guilds, known individuals that have made it into the blacklist for ninja-looting or for simply being bad players that are going to end up being a liability to the party. This obviously is a way of maximizing our chances for success and getting quests done. I have no problem with this, but it makes me question whether I am contributing to the growth of the game. It depends on what state of mind I am, since my own guild is a teaching guild that tries to foster new talent, I also spend my time helping some of our newer members learn a quest or simply taking the time to explain why having heavy fortification on a tank is important. Anyway, just wanted to throw this out there, some food for thought.

Peace.

I think the nice thing about having that sort of channel is finding a balance, between helping out newer players and also partying with old. It opens up the choices that you have and gets rid of relying on a deprecated Guild system or Friends list to communicate.

I've been thinking of this myself lately, since I haven't levelled a toon in awhile and haven't really made any friends who have been coming up so to speak, I might address this sometime soon Alekx. Like a combination channel where noobs can get answers to questions. Actually I just had a really good idea...

-Tot

[branmakmuffin]

The question was about growth, so the answer is no.

So if subscribing doesn't help it grow, will canceling not make it shrink?

[Rameses]

Like a combination channel where noobs can get answers to questions. Actually I just had a really good idea...

-Tot

I think we should maybe start a "Argohelp" channel.

[Beherit_Baphomar]

<mad, crazy, angry stuff>

I am done sir.


-Stabbert

Stabbert,

The OP is actually someone, when in the right frame of mind, helps more in DDO that most. He's very helpful, very selfless
individual who is here not to promote a chat channel but to ask a simple question. The reason he's asking is because he's
actually wondering that excluding the majority of Argonnessen from his groups is maybe excluding himself from Argonnessen.

Chillax bro, chill-ax!

Thats a combo of chill and relax for you noobzorz! Im lookin' at you Ramz.

[Opall]

As Proud Leader Of the Rameses Fan Club, I must warn you from looking at Ramz like that
May have to take you into a PvP pit and teach you a leason





Opall

[theANTItommy]

hagglemule gives out ridiculous amounts of money to noobs on thelanis, that's my contribution and i'm sticking to it

[Yaga_Nub]

That's a good question.....


Tot, how do you do it?

**** it Mhykke you owe me a new monitor because I'll never get all the Dr. Pepper off mine.

[totmacher]

That's a good question.....


Tot, how do you do it?

try my hardest and never give up!!!!!!!!!!

also I avoid the back of 7-11... that place is better than hell...

[Yaga_Nub]

try my hardest and never give up!!!!!!!!!!

also I avoid the back of 7-11... that place is better than hell...

Then where do you get your burritos?

[Beherit_Baphomar]

Then where do you get your burritos?

Mmm...7-11 burritos...

[ArkoHighStar]

I'll be perfectly honest, these channels make it tougher to get into decently pugged raids. During the week I tend to log on just after a guild raid has started, so I used to watch for the shroud speed runs. Now they often get filled without an LFM so I sit around hoping something else comes up. I know I am not the greatest player, and so I always appreciate the invites when they come, but now that it all happens behind closed doors, I find myself spending more nights logging on looking for a raid then logging off because I see no LFM's. Argo has always been known for the open nature if its major guilds, everyone knows everyone, and people play across guilds all the time, and while the AM channel solidifes these relationships, it really only does so for those that are allowed to join.

[unionyes]

I like to help new players in game, as long as they show some basic ability. I have zero problems with someone making a mistake once. It's when it is over and over again, or they exhibit some sort of objectionable conduct such as whining like a turbine (not the company, the engine), that I say enough is enough. It's no crime to be new. That lowbie fighter that you help through waterworks today may roll a cleric that is the only one who answers your LFM a month from now.

Having said that, I feel that any sort of divisional channel or otherwise wouldn't be in the best interest of the game. We already have guilds, where we can group exclusively with tried and tested players, the friends list (and memory) for those who are not in our guild but we like to group with, and PUGs for when we are not so picky.

Some guilds use a third party voice system, so what they say isn't in party chat, so if you aren't in the guild you aren't in the loop. The few times that I have encountered this it hasn't been a big deal, as the quests were ones that I have run enough to know like the back of my hand. I can, however, see that this could be a problem for a noob, as it would make them feel isolated and they wouldn't be able to pick up information through chat such as location of the quest, tactics, etc just by listening rather than by asking outright.

I totally understand that there may be days when you don't feel like teaching anyone anything. I have those days all the time, a heavy day at work, wife aggro, stress, whatever, and I just want to run a successful quest with competent, skilled, experienced players with good builds and that is that. I think that guilds meet that need well enough.