What’s the max possible with non-raid gear?

[Smokewolf]

As the title implies, what’s the max Intelligence and DC’s with the more commonly available gear sets? (With break down)

Reason I ask is there are several min-max threads that all require gear that’s not easy to acquire. Thus for most players, these threads are not particularly helpful when they don’t typically apply to their current situation.

I look forward to your “constructive” comments and suggestions.

Thank you in Advance!

-Smoke

[noinfo]

As the title implies, what’s the max Intelligence and DC’s with the more commonly available gear sets? (With break down)

Reason I ask is there are several min-max threads that all require gear that’s not easy to acquire. Thus for most players, these threads are not particularly helpful when they don’t typically apply to their current situation.

I look forward to your “constructive” comments and suggestions.

Thank you in Advance!

-Smoke

Max int is almost the same though you are missing the raid filligrees (so probably missing 4 total)

14 from artifact
6 insight (often onyx ring)
3 quality (often set bonus)

2 profane (legendary celestial sapphire is non raid)

common dc bonuses
2 from Topaz
6 from item (specific) and can be crafted or 4 from sno or nightmothers etc. You can craft a generic +5
3 insightful (specific crafted) or 2 from helm of sno or nightmothers etc
2 Quality often on artifact or other sources
2 profane on onyx ring
2 sacred only non raid sources is glory born (permanent source)

This should get you started until someone who can actually take the time to give a full break down.

[Riffolk]

Slarden posted a breakdown that we can work backwards from for a non-raid setup:
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post6485410

So the INT score would potentially drop 4 without raid filigrees though they can be sold on the auction house. -4
Same with the +2 Alchemical bonus, those shields/orbs can be sold. Without it's -2.
A reaper hat comes down to luck of the chest pull, another -2.
Potentially the profane bonus to stats isn't on a gear piece because you aren't using the Essense of the Epic Litany of the Dead, another -2.

Without those, his posted INT score drops from 116 -> 106 for a +48 modifier. (-5 DC)

DC drop:

Potentially just the difference in not having raid filigrees would subtract another 4 from Slarden's posted breakdown.

In total, you're only down 9 DCs versus someone on an equal toon with it.
As far as a non-raid gear setup, quickly threw this together, would appreciate critiques:


Equipped Gear Set: No Raid
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Armor · · · · The Legendary Leaf Mail · Drops in: U48: Quest: Wake me up inside
· · · · · · · +15 Enhancement Bonus
· · · · · · · Exceptional Universal Spell Lore +5%
· · · · · · · Exceptional Universal Spell Power +15
· · · · · · · Physical Sheltering +33
· · · · · · · Parrying +6
· · · · · · · Green: Empty augment slot
· · · · · · · Eminence of Autumn
Belt· · · · · Legendary Chains· ·Drops in: Quest: Against the Slavelords
· · · · · · · Legendary Slavelords Prefix: Constitution +13
· · · · · · · Legendary Slavelords Suffix: Spell Lore Force +21
· · · · · · · Legendary Slavelords Extra: Heal +20
· · · · · · · Legendary Slavelords Bonus: Quality Constitution +3
· · · · · · · Legendary Slavelords Set Bonus: Empty augment slot
Boots · · · · Legendary Windriders· ·Drops in: U48 Quest: Needle in a Feystack
· · · · · · · Freedom of Movement
· · · · · · · Speed +30%
· · · · · · · Whirlwind Ward
· · · · · · · Dodge Bonus +13%
· · · · · · · Green: Empty augment slot
· · · · · · · Eminence of Autumn
Bracers · · · Legendary Green Dragonscale Bracers · Drops in: U48 Quest: Needle in a Feystack
· · · · · · · Power Store
· · · · · · · Insightful Resistance +4
· · · · · · · Vitality +44
· · · · · · · Poison Resistance +50
· · · · · · · Green: Empty augment slot
· · · · · · · Eminence of Autumn
Cloak · · · · Legendary Cloak of Autumn · Drops in: U48 Quest: The Knight who Cried Windmill
· · · · · · · Acid Absorption +34%
· · · · · · · Insightful Constitution +6
· · · · · · · Feat
· · · · · · · Lesser Displacement
· · · · · · · Green: Empty augment slot
· · · · · · · Eminence of Autumn
Gloves· · · · Gloryborne Gloves · Drops in: U48: Feytwisted Chest
· · · · · · · Sacred Spell Focus II
· · · · · · · Power of the Silver Flame +142
· · · · · · · Temperance of Spirit
· · · · · · · Quality Resistance +2
· · · · · · · Green: Empty augment slot
· · · · · · · Eminence of Autumn
Goggles · · · Cannith Crafted Goggles
· · · · · · · Cannith Goggles Prefix: +6 Illusion Focus
· · · · · · · Cannith Goggles Suffix: +3 Insightful Illusion Focus
· · · · · · · Cannith Goggles Extra: Insightful Spell Penetration
Helmet· · · · Faedark Faerielights· ·Drops in: U48: Feytwisted Chest
· · · · · · · Faeryfire Curse
· · · · · · · Illusory Death 3
· · · · · · · Quality Wizardry +67
· · · · · · · Magical Efficiency 10%
· · · · · · · Green: Empty augment slot
· · · · · · · Eminence of Autumn
Necklace· · · The Zarash'ak Ward· ·Drops in: Raid: Project Nemesis, Masterminds of Sharn Saga reward
· · · · · · · Intelligence +14
· · · · · · · Quality Spell Focus Mastery +2
· · · · · · · Quality Potency +26
· · · · · · · Force Absorption +16%
· · · · · · · Green: Empty augment slot
· · · · · · · Yellow: Empty augment slot
· · · · · · · Blue: Empty augment slot
Ring1 · · · · Legendary Duskbone Ring · Drops in: U48 Quest: Combatting Corruption
· · · · · · · Vertigo +15
· · · · · · · Ghostly
· · · · · · · Profane Lifeforce +44
· · · · · · · Hardened Exterior 2
· · · · · · · Green: Empty augment slot
· · · · · · · Eminence of Autumn
Ring2 · · · · The Legendary Shattered Onyx· ·Drops in: Quest: Reach for the Sky
· · · · · · · Profane Spell Focus Mastery +2
· · · · · · · Insightful Resistance +4
· · · · · · · Insightful Dodge Bonus +6%
· · · · · · · Nearly Finished (Ins IWC): +6 Insightful Intelligence
· · · · · · · Blue: Empty augment slot
Trinket · · · Legendary Deep Promise Onyx · Drops in: U46: Quest: Rosemary's Ballad
· · · · · · · Quality Intelligence +3
· · · · · · · Insightful Negative Healing Amplification +27
· · · · · · · Quality Negative Healing Amplification +14
· · · · · · · False Life +50
· · · · · · · Blue: Empty augment slot
Weapon1 · · · Legendary Malleable Sceptre of Nullification· ·Drops in: U49: Quest: Seizing the Dawn
· · · · · · · Damage and Type 5[1d6+2] + 15 Bludgeon, Magic
· · · · · · · Critical Threat Range 20 x2
· · · · · · · +15 Enhancement Bonus
· · · · · · · Spellcasting Implement +29
· · · · · · · Void Lore +21%
· · · · · · · Nullification +142
· · · · · · · Insightful Nullification +71
· · · · · · · Necromancy Focus +5
· · · · · · · Malleable
· · · · · · · Red: Empty augment slot
Weapon2 · · · Legendary Alchemical Orb· ·Drops in: U47 Raid: Legendary Master Artificer
· · · · · · · +15 Orb Bonus
· · · · · · · Legendary Alchemical T0: Crystal
· · · · · · · Red: Empty augment slot
· · · · · · · Legendary Alchemical T1: Fire I: Devotion
· · · · · · · Combustion 152: +152 Equipment Bonus to Fire Spell Power.
· · · · · · · Devotion 152: +152 Equipment Bonus to Positive Spell Power.
· · · · · · · Healing Lore +21%: Your Positive spells gain a +21% Equipment Bonus to their chance to Critical Hit.
· · · · · · · Legendary Alchemical T2: Earth II: Alchemical Intelligence
· · · · · · · Alchemical Intelligence +2: Passive: +2 Alchemical Bonus to Intelligence.
· · · · · · · Legendary Alchemical T3: Cold III: Spell Penetration
· · · · · · · Spell Penetration +9: Passive: +9 Equipment Bonus to Spell Penetration checks.
· · · · · · · Purple: Empty augment slot

[PrinceOfAsphodel]

Intelligence
20 Base
7 Level Ups
2 Racial PLs
2 Completionist
2 Racial Completionist
8 Tome
12 Enhancements
2 Primal Avatar (Mind)
14 Item
6 Insightful Item
3 Quality Item
2 Profane Item
2 Alchemical Item
2 Festive Augment
1 Exceptional Augment
2 Reaper Ability Boost (Helm)
3 Artifact Set
1 Reaper Core
4 In Reaper
2 Great Intelligence Feats
2 Guild
12 Filigree
2 Remnant Pot
2 Yugoloth Pot
-
116


Necro DCs
53 Intelligence Modifier
3 Spell Focus Feats
4 Scion of Shadowfell
3 Destiny Cores
3 Partial Eclipse
3 Total Eclipse
2 Pale Master
1 Archmage
6 Necromancy Focus
3 Insightful Spell Focus
2 Quality Spell Focus
2 Profane Spell Focus
2 Sacred Spell Focus
2 Greater Topaz of Necromancy
3 Artifact Set
1 Reaper DC Bonus (Ring)
4 Reaper Tree
2 Embolden Spell
2 4-Piece Otto’s
2 4-Piece Eye
2 4-Piece Grave
1 Guild Ship
10 Free DCs
9 Spell Base (w/Heighten)
-
125


Illusion DCs (Phantasmal Killer)
53 Intelligence Modifier
3 Deep Gnome Past Lives
2 Spell Focus Feats
2 Scion of Shadowfell
3 Destiny Cores
3 Moontouched
3 Shadowdancer Spell Focus
3 Total Eclipse
3 Deep Gnome Tree
2 Archmage
5 Spell Focus
3 Insightful Spell Focus
2 Quality Spell Focus
2 Profane Spell Focus
2 Sacred Spell Focus
2 Greater Topaz of Illusion
3 Artifact Set
1 Reaper DC Bonus (Ring)
4 Reaper Tree
2 Embolden Spell
2 4-Piece Otto’s
2 4-Piece Eye
1 Guild Ship
10 Free DCs
9 Spell Base (w/Heighten)
-
127

These are the numbers for my ideal Deep Gnome Pale Master build. I'm currently running a tuned down version because I'm missing some gear, destiny points, and completionist feats.

[Smokewolf]

Very impressive and detailed replies! (Thank you)

The end figures are much better than I had imagined considering that all of the gear is attainable without the need for raiding.

Most all of the gear you’ve listed I’ve banked so should be able to test this out and post my results later on.

-Smoke

[Smokewolf]

Question: isn’t the Legendary Alchemical Orb a raid drop? Far as I know of these come from come from Legendary Lord of Blades and Legendary Master Artificer.

-Smoke

[Artos_Fabril]

Question: isn’t the Legendary Alchemical Orb a raid drop? Far as I know of these come from come from Legendary Lord of Blades and Legendary Master Artificer.

-Smoke

The alchemical blanks are Bind on Equip, so you can theoretically buy one. The bigger issue, if you do no raiding, is that they require threads to upgrade, so the blank will never be useful to you if you are doing no raiding at all.

[Whitering]

There are some incredibly easy raids that are run near constantly. I would put in this list the newest ones

The Dryad and the Demigod, the only thing necessary is a tank for the middle, and someone to do puzzles, a 2nd tank for the bear and the squirrel are good, but not absolutely necessary, especially on normal/hard

Hunt or Be Hunted, not hard, cold res is very nice, and a heal over time to counter act the damage you will take. On Normal with decent Heal Amp, Cocoon is good enough in my experience, need a trapper traps just show up, search not necessary

Lord of Blades, ya, not hard

Vision of Destruction, need probably 30 or so curse pots, especially if you group is low dps, a trapper is good

Project Nemesis, jump, kill who the leader tells you to, if you get a circle under you, head into that same colour portal, kill what's in there. If you join this raid, they should already have a tank, and someone to run the laser. But if you are just a peon, kill the mobs that are trying to solve the puzzles and jump when Rudus jumps, pretty simple otherwise.

Killing Time, electric res, jump off platform, solve all the puzzles, tank for dragon, tank for shadows, just do what people tell you to do, no crazy mechanics.

Old Baba's Hut, need 2 puzzle solvers and 2 tanks, otherwise, just follow your group.

Xoriat, depends how they are doing it, but you can be really useful by having mass buffs, like Bull's Strength, otherwise do what you are told, no crazy mechanics here either

Codex and the Shroud (epic Shroud), kill the portals, follow the group, die in your puzzle if you can't solve it, someone will come get you.

Feel free to join any of those raids, there is nothing at all complicated in them, and you will learn. I haven't seen any of these fail, ever, well, Killing Time, groups can wipe, that Dragon does a lot of damage, but buff you electrical res/absorb and you should be okay.

none of them take that long either, Shroud is probably the longest, particularly if only a few people can do puzzles. There is a solver online though, same with Baba I guess. But definitely join Dryad and Hunt, they are run CONSTANTLY and are super, super, super easy.

I have graduated to doing traps, and I can puzzle in Too Hot to Handle and stuff, but generally I am just a peon following directions. All of these raids require minimal brain power, I don't use drugs or drink alcohol, but I am thinking you could definitely be high for any of them.

[Smokewolf]

The alchemical blanks are Bind on Equip, so you can theoretically buy one. The bigger issue, if you do no raiding, is that they require threads to upgrade, so the blank will never be useful to you if you are doing no raiding at all.

From what I’ve seen, the orb is rather uncommon to be on the AH if at all…

Clarification: I do raid, just very infrequently as I’m playing from GMT +1 (Germany), which really limits my options. Thus I must focus on gear-sets rather than depend on getting specific raid drops. Which by the way appears to becoming less and less of a possibility as more people are banking equipment for “later use”. It’s just a sign of the times as the game evolves, people tend to horde gear just-in-case it becomes relevant later.

-Smoke

[Whitering]

From what I’ve seen, the orb is rather uncommon to be on the AH if at all…

Clarification: I do raid, just very infrequently as I’m playing from GMT +1 (Germany), which really limits my options. Thus I must focus on gear-sets rather than depend on getting specific raid drops. Which by the way appears to becoming less and less of a possibility as more people are banking equipment for “later use”. It’s just a sign of the times as the game evolves, people tend to horde gear just in case it becomes relevant later.

-Smoke

Almost everything is BTA now, very little gear binds to character on equip anymore. That started to go away after Gianthold.

[noinfo]

From what I’ve seen, the orb is rather uncommon to be on the AH if at all…

Clarification: I do raid, just very infrequently as I’m playing from GMT +1 (Germany), which really limits my options. Thus I must focus on gear-sets rather than depend on getting specific raid drops. Which by the way appears to becoming less and less of a possibility as more people are banking equipment for “later use”. It’s just a sign of the times as the game evolves, people tend to horde gear just-in-case it becomes relevant later.

-Smoke

Technically it does not even need to be an orb. Orb just works with some enhancements for spell power etc. Shield are popular as are just an off hand weapon would be fine.

[Ulfo]

Technically it does not even need to be an orb. Orb just works with some enhancements for spell power etc. Shield are popular as are just an off hand weapon would be fine.

Shield is better really. Orbs bonuses works only when active blocking, shields bonuses to AC/PRR works permanently.

[jskinner937]

Shield is better really. Orbs bonuses works only when active blocking, shields bonuses to AC/PRR works permanently.

Plus shields look better than orb. You look like you are playing bocci ball with an orb.

[Ulfo]

Plus shields look better than orb. You look like you are playing bocci ball with an orb.

But but but... you can use nice cosmetic like Tome of Strahd, Hyrsam's Fiddle or Golden Orb of Death with orb! Skull is cool!

Other hand, cosmetic Van Richten's Cane, Fortified Fiddle or Death's Door looks awesome too... hmmm... 8)

[PrinceOfAsphodel]

From what I’ve seen, the orb is rather uncommon to be on the AH if at all…

Clarification: I do raid, just very infrequently as I’m playing from GMT +1 (Germany), which really limits my options. Thus I must focus on gear-sets rather than depend on getting specific raid drops. Which by the way appears to becoming less and less of a possibility as more people are banking equipment for “later use”. It’s just a sign of the times as the game evolves, people tend to horde gear just-in-case it becomes relevant later.

-Smoke

Yeah, alchemical items are raid items, but I used Stygian Wrath (and still do as a swap) up until I got my alchemical offhand and it works fine. It doesn't have to be an orb though. I just use a dagger.

[mr420247]

You can get alot more out of the build and gear set with shiradi no raid items needed at all

basic setup i'd use for intel

feywild 3 autumn set belt 14 int, gloves must have if u do care n autumn cloak lil more hp dm

armor magma 1 armor to rule them all

sands sets n elders the must haves

sands adq gogs n bracers max necro enchant dcs n necro poi dmg n free helpless, bd set max fire power crits boots n trinket or any

elders hat n trinket if u can afford it if not any reaper hat n shard of vollun trinket cheap

filigree setups want 2 1 max dcs trash 1 red killer its 5 ds, 3 coal, any u want for fire n force ice would be 5 ds, 3 coal, 4 frozen wanderer

[Alled78]

You can get alot more out of the build and gear set with shiradi no raid items needed at all

basic setup i'd use for intel

feywild 3 autumn set belt 14 int, gloves must have if u do care n autumn cloak lil more hp dm

armor magma 1 armor to rule them all

sands sets n elders the must haves

sands adq gogs n bracers max necro enchant dcs n necro poi dmg n free helpless, bd set max fire power crits boots n trinket or any

elders hat n trinket if u can afford it if not any reaper hat n shard of vollun trinket cheap

filigree setups want 2 1 max dcs trash 1 red killer its 5 ds, 3 coal, any u want for fire n force ice would be 5 ds, 3 coal, 4 frozen wanderer

As filigree i suggest otto + eye+ lunar. U need enemies cc if u eant to survive...
Autumn 3 pieces set stacks with elder set???

I found all epic moment mehhhhh

[PrinceOfAsphodel]

Autumn 3 pieces set stacks with elder set???

The crit chance shouldn't stack but Elder's crit damage bonus does. I would think you only need 2 Autumn pieces.

[Smokewolf]

Any discussion on Spell Power.

While I know Sorcs can get over 1200, what range should a DC Wizard expect without Raid toys?

-Smoke

[PrinceOfAsphodel]

Any discussion on Spell Power.

While I know Sorcs can get over 1200, what range should a DC Wizard expect without Raid toys?

-Smoke

I think the top min/maxed build should aim to get close to 800 in reaper. Without the best raid gear, probably closer to 700. That's where mine currently is. I think the 1200 number from sorcs is after buffs with Wellspring and the reaper ability boost. Standing spellpower should be around 950 tops right now.