A sneak peek at Update 24’s dungeons … and beyond

[Cordovan]

I don't quite know if it was made clear or not, but is the lam preview going to contain ToEE? I don't think so, but I hope so?

Lamannia will likely include a preview for Temple of Elemental Evil when we are ready to preview Update 25, but Lamannia is currently getting ready for an Update 24 preview.

[Violith]

Lamannia will likely include a preview for Temple of Elemental Evil when we are ready to preview Update 25, but Lamannia is currently getting ready for an Update 24 preview.

Any news on how ToEE will be played out? is it a single quest or multiple ones that access the same instance similiar to tangleroot.

[Graywolf_The_Heathen]

You have chosen... wisely /holygrail. Let me say right now, the more large, epic, and well itemized this is... the better. Do NOT cut any corners. We can wait. Deliver some gold. Deliver it!

Yes, this!

[FranOhmsford]

Ok one run through, elite BB, will not take a 3rd life+ character from 15-20 with just GH, Vale, Orchard and LoD.

Yes it will - I've done it! {Didn't run Litany that life either!}

If you really must know. I start GH at usually 15.2. I then run GH until I hit level 17 and hold off on it. I then run Orchard and Litany until into 18. I then head to the vale run that once. I then run LoD chain once. That usally puts me around 19. I wrap up with whatever I feel like at that point. Usually Amrath, IQ1, few Sane Asylumns, maybe RR.

You're starting GH 2 ranks too early

And no. Missing running quests does not mean my total is off. The concept of once and done is something I sort of adopt. I have said before some quests I like so I repeat them, some quests I do not like so I skip them. But the once and done means running a quest once and moving on until cap. Just because you don't need to run every quest to cap does not mean my total is off.

Erm - Your total was for Once and Done to cap.
And
You stated that there weren't enough Epic Quests in game to do this.

So...Missing Quests actually DOES mean your total is off!

Starting Epic content as soon as you hit 20/ETR is much preferred for CoV and heart seeds. You may not think it's relevant but I disagree. Unless you want to spend a bunch of extra time at cap farming for heart seeds, but that is very counter productive.

Again - Your post stated "not enough XP"
CoVs and Heart Seeds were not part of the equation and bringing them in now is changing the parameters.

Also - I've hit 28 twice over on Lieuk and am back at 25 now {And he's still 1st Life!} - And you know my feelings about repeating quests - He also HASN'T stayed at 28 for more than a couple of quests yet!
But then again - I have other characters at Epic Levels and regularly pass Heart Seeds and Tokens/Frags through the Shared Bank.


Now I know you have multiple characters False: Consolidating your Heart Seeds {CoVs can be crunched down} and Tokens into your Shared Bank will allow you to TR and E-TR the character you're currently working on faster!



Finally - Vale {1 Clearance} yields around 32k minimum {and even solo can be done in 50 minutes to an hour depending on character}, The Battlefield likewise! {Orchard and GH are easy to grab XP in too!}
I'm not saying that people should count ALL Slayer XP in their totals but surely 1 Clearance isn't too much to ask?

[FranOhmsford]

Hindsight is always 20/20.

Even IF they did a poll, someone here would be upset about the poll itself, it's choices, how it was presented/delivered, or even the wording.

Still blown away people are getting upset that we are getting another Tribute Module! We started asking for another one the very day HH launched! Many offered to pay extra cash to get one because they enjoyed it so much and wanted more.

We got what we asked for and people are upset that we got what we asked for, again.

Rather sad....

Pretty certain I haven't seen a single post in this thread complaining about getting ToEE.

On the contrary - Despite the multiple posts about how Xorian is awful and who the heck did the Devs ask? ToEE has been pretty well received!

[FranOhmsford]

I often take level 19 on my characters.

Did I state "nobody"?

Did I even state "nobody but newbies"?

I stated "Highly Unlikely" NOT "Impossible"


I knew there'd be at least one person who'd state for the record that they take Lvl 19 - Well done on being first!


But: Lvl 19 is still seen as a Trap by many - Not by the VAST majority since Epic Levels maybe but still a Majority.


No matter what you say on these forums there'll always be someone to refute it based on how they themselves play - It's a GOOD thing that DDO allows so many different ways to play the game!
My complaint is that the PLAYERS who take the quickest way push that way on to everyone else - Maybe It looks like I'm doing the same here with a slower way BUT think of it as providing a CHOICE!

[Braegan]

Yes it will - I've done it! {Didn't run Litany that life either!}



You're starting GH 2 ranks too early



Erm - Your total was for Once and Done to cap.
And
You stated that there weren't enough Epic Quests in game to do this.

So...Missing Quests actually DOES mean your total is off!



Again - Your post stated "not enough XP"
CoVs and Heart Seeds were not part of the equation and bringing them in now is changing the parameters.

Also - I've hit 28 twice over on Lieuk and am back at 25 now {And he's still 1st Life!} - And you know my feelings about repeating quests - He also HASN'T stayed at 28 for more than a couple of quests yet!
But then again - I have other characters at Epic Levels and regularly pass Heart Seeds and Tokens/Frags through the Shared Bank.


Now I know you have multiple characters False: Consolidating your Heart Seeds {CoVs can be crunched down} and Tokens into your Shared Bank will allow you to TR and E-TR the character you're currently working on faster!



Finally - Vale {1 Clearance} yields around 32k minimum {and even solo can be done in 50 minutes to an hour depending on character}, The Battlefield likewise! {Orchard and GH are easy to grab XP in too!}
I'm not saying that people should count ALL Slayer XP in their totals but surely 1 Clearance isn't too much to ask?

I find that really hard to believe. From my experience a once and done of those chains will not give you enough xp for 15-20. You must be adding in lots of slayers or something.

Maybe I am, maybe not. But, from around 39 TRs across my characters I found a way that works for me. Beauty of DDO, there is more than once way to do things. My way works for me, yours for you, nothing more, nothing less, neither of us is wrong.

You're confusing two things there. I said there was enough heroic quests to once and done and skip some to cap and not enough to do so in epics. That's where my statement of skipping some doesn't matter because I still capped without repeating, in regards to heroic leveling not epic. I provided you a thread with a running tally of an epic progression. I detailed exactly how much xp was gained, when BB applied and when there was even a global xp bonus in effect. I was fairly complete with my post. And it clearly shows there is not enough epic xp from quests to cap. After you ETR and lose all potential for BB a lot of those values would go down.

I am 100% correct in saying there is currently not enough xp from epic quests to go 20-28 once and done. Fact.

I am aware of heart seeds and having other characters to gain them. Even still there have been a few times when I've had to run a few more quests at cap to get the last few I needed. If I ran more high level heroics at the low epic levels I would only be exchanging that with having to run more quests at cap to replace the covs I didn't get by starting right out in epics. Robbing Peter to pay Paul as it were.

It's great you like slayers, a lot of folks do. I do not. I'd rather run more quests than do slayers. Again, that options thing...it's great! That option is not present in epic play however and would be nice if it was. Which I have hope it will be as new content gets released.

[Oxarhamar]

Yes it will - I've done it! {Didn't run Litany that life either!}



You're starting GH 2 ranks too early



Erm - Your total was for Once and Done to cap.
And
You stated that there weren't enough Epic Quests in game to do this.

So...Missing Quests actually DOES mean your total is off!



Again - Your post stated "not enough XP"
CoVs and Heart Seeds were not part of the equation and bringing them in now is changing the parameters.

Also - I've hit 28 twice over on Lieuk and am back at 25 now {And he's still 1st Life!} - And you know my feelings about repeating quests - He also HASN'T stayed at 28 for more than a couple of quests yet!
But then again - I have other characters at Epic Levels and regularly pass Heart Seeds and Tokens/Frags through the Shared Bank.


Now I know you have multiple characters False: Consolidating your Heart Seeds {CoVs can be crunched down} and Tokens into your Shared Bank will allow you to TR and E-TR the character you're currently working on faster!



Finally - Vale {1 Clearance} yields around 32k minimum {and even solo can be done in 50 minutes to an hour depending on character}, The Battlefield likewise! {Orchard and GH are easy to grab XP in too!}
I'm not saying that people should count ALL Slayer XP in their totals but surely 1 Clearance isn't too much to ask?

Bring Heart seeds & CoV into the equation was not changing the parameter only demonstrating that those quests that you list in Heroics are NOT EPIC!

No you can not 1 and done from 15/holding in GH, Orchard, Vale, & LOD. Not without supplementing XP from somewhere else.

Yes one clearance of Vale @50 minutes yielding ~650XP minute is too much to ask and also changing the parameters of your 1 and done statement.

[xslasherz]

Are you guys still planning to raise Lvl cap to 30 this update?

[legendkilleroll]

Yes it will - I've done it! {Didn't run Litany that life either!}

I just hit 20 this week and i know thats not true

[SilkofDrasnia]

Are you guys still planning to raise Lvl cap to 30 this update?

No.

[Uska]

Lamannia will likely include a preview for Temple of Elemental Evil when we are ready to preview Update 25, but Lamannia is currently getting ready for an Update 24 preview.

For once I think should skip previewing content maybe that way it won't be beaten an hour after its released

[the_one_dwarfforged]

For once I think should skip previewing content maybe that way it won't be beaten an hour after its released

lvl 26. it will be beaten an hour after its released no matter what.

[Uska]

lvl 26. it will be beaten an hour after its released no matter what.

If they haven't played it to death on Lamna-land maybe not

[Cetus]

It's only junk to YOU and other like minded individuals. There are plenty of people that like to level and dislike endgame, there are some that like low level content mid level content etc etc.

I highly doubt the masses play "like you do or enjoy all the same things you do" and I think that's some peoples opinions and they are voicing it.

Exactly. Since I'm the one voicing the opinion, it is junk to me. Thank you for your insight.

Interestingly, those folks who like to level have a huge amount of content at their disposal. Endgame players have to constantly operate on the very margins of what is available to them; chiefly as a result of these crappy decisions. Look, we're getting 1 CR30 quest until U25. Its funny how you get surprised that this generates complaint.

"What, you aren't happy with 1 endgame quest! What's wrong with you!".

Just as how you ask me to be cognizant of those people who enjoy mid-level content, you are awfully intolerant of those who are unhappy with the continuous insertion of mid-level stuff at the expense of an expanding endgame.

[nibel]

Look, we're getting 1 CR30 quest until U25.

No sarcasm here. I thought endgamers had at least a few options right now: both Thunderholme raids, Mark of Death, and Precious Cargo/Haunted Halls (for challenge, like elite tor dragons were at cap 20). And a few level 27+ quests on EE for a change of pace (Stormhorns, e3BC, 3Orchard).

Are you considering only MoD as endgame material? Why?

[FranOhmsford]

No sarcasm here. I thought endgamers had at least a few options right now: both Thunderholme raids, Mark of Death, and Precious Cargo/Haunted Halls (for challenge, like elite tor dragons were at cap 20). And a few level 27+ quests on EE for a change of pace (Stormhorns, e3BC, 3Orchard).

Are you considering only MoD as endgame material? Why?

E-Orchard is base Lvl 29 {31 on Elite}
Brothers of the Forge is base Lvl 28 {30 on Elite}
Haunted Halls is base Lvl 28 {30 on Elite}
E-Stormhorns Chain is base Lvl 27 {29 on EE}
A Study in Sable is base Lvl 26 {28 on Elite}

It's not superb but it's not as bad as people make out either!

[Cetus]

No sarcasm here. I thought endgamers had at least a few options right now: both Thunderholme raids, Mark of Death, and Precious Cargo/Haunted Halls (for challenge, like elite tor dragons were at cap 20). And a few level 27+ quests on EE for a change of pace (Stormhorns, e3BC, 3Orchard).

Are you considering only MoD as endgame material? Why?

Stormhorns and Haunted Halls have been the pace for a while. Thunderholme raids are old stuff too now.

3bc is midlevel.

The only fresh endgame we have right now is 4 necro quests and mod.

Now, we just got 1 more quest, whose loot looks crummy right now - whereas the midlevels got 3 quests.

There's just no hope for endgame in DDO. How can people even consider the level cap raise with a starving endgame.

[jalont]

Stormhorns and Haunted Halls have been the pace for a while. Thunderholme raids are old stuff too now.

3bc is midlevel.

The only fresh endgame we have right now is 4 necro quests and mod.

Now, we just got 1 more quest, whose loot looks crummy right now - whereas the midlevels got 3 quests.

There's just no hope for endgame in DDO. How can people even consider the level cap raise with a starving endgame.

I DO wonder why quest level means so much to you. It's not like a level 30 quest or raid is going to actually provide any challenge. I'd be interested in hearing what you think an endgame is going to look like.

[FranOhmsford]

Stormhorns and Haunted Halls have been the pace for a while. Thunderholme raids are old stuff too now.

The Devs have pushed out 8 Epic Levels basically in one go!

They didn't even get 20-25 sorted with enough quests before adding in 26-28!

Give them time!

3bc is midlevel.

No it's not - E-3BC is Base Lvl 25 {27 on EE!}

The only fresh endgame we have right now is 4 necro quests and mod.

The Devs seem to be only able to give us 4-5 quests per update atm - This isn't great ESPECIALLY when there's multiple levels that need boosting.
BUT
Again - Give them time!

Now, we just got 1 more quest, whose loot looks crummy right now - whereas the midlevels got 3 quests.

The Xorian Quests will be base Lvl 26 on Epic {28 on EE!} - Again NOT mid-level by any stretch of the imagination!

There's just no hope for endgame in DDO. How can people even consider the level cap raise with a starving endgame.

This I actually agree with - There's absolutely NO POINT pushing out Lvls 29 and 30 BEFORE we have at least 4 more Updates to fill in Lvls 27-30!