A sneak peek at Update 24’s dungeons … and beyond

[SilkofDrasnia]

Hindsight is always 20/20.

Even IF they did a poll, someone here would be upset about the poll itself, it's choices, how it was presented/delivered, or even the wording.

Still blown away people are getting upset that we are getting another Tribute Module! We started asking for another one the very day HH launched! Many offered to pay extra cash to get one because they enjoyed it so much and wanted more.

We got what we asked for and people are upset that we got what we asked for, again.

Rather sad....

Indeed but if we don't "moan" now we can't really complain if they don't do a poll next time can we? As for TOEE I don't think anyone is unhappy about that, this is a good thing and I posted as such but the xoriat **** well...

Btw I am not upset, would just have liked to been able to give my input on this before now.

[catouse9]

Just wait until someone talks them into releasing the mother of all famed dungeons...The Tomb of Horrors. As far as I know, it's not even on the drawing board, and I can already hear the wailing of players. Especially without access to herds of cattle.

Tomb O' Horrors was the hardest dungeon ever-Seems to me like it was made to punish players or at least have a last man standing kind of contest-If they could do it properly on DDO it would probably make a lot of folks who say the game is too easy very happy.

[nibel]

Not true, True Resurrection can bring outsiders back. http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/trueResurrection.htm

Huh, interesting. Never noticed this property in True Ressurrection.

Might work for Malicia, but still not for Lailat, since Zawabi specifically sealed out her soul.

[FestusHood]

Even now it's highly unlikely you'll see too many people who aren't total newbies take 19 before they're ready to take 20!

I often take level 19 on my characters. By the time i have finished the level 16 content, I have never yet been capped. Yes, that includes running both vale and wheloon. Since i don't want to repeat quests i move on to level 17 or higher quests, depending on what i want to run.

Banking levels was made somewhat archaic by the change to the xp curve. That's why i don't ever have a problem running low on content in the levels 8-12, or whatever supposedly has a quest shortage. Banking levels was only ever necessary to prepare yourself for the shortage of xp available in the higher levels back with the old xp curve.

[Failedlegend]

Currently there is enough heroic xp to once and done your way 1-20.
Currently there is not enough epic xp to once and done your way through 20-28.

That is why the focus is and currently should be on epic level quests.

Personally I think the best would to do new content in a cycle like this(obviously there's so leeway based on the size of the quest pack,etc. ie. if there's say 12 quests from 1-7 I'd say going to a Lvl 10 pack next would be no issue)

1,4,7,10,13,16,19,21,24,27,30,2,5,8,11,14,17,20,23 ,26,29,3,6,9,12,15,18,22,25,28,repeat.

or assuming that all Level 11-20 quests will have a heroic AND epic version now (This is my preferred way as this caters to more levels at once

1,4,7,10,13/21,16/24, 19/27, 30, 2,5,8,11/20,14/23,17/26,29,3,6,9,12/22,15/25, 18/28, repeat

Note: Leaving Level 29/30 quests w/o heroic versions is so they can better cater to "End-Game" players, tis not my style but I try to consider most everyone when I make suggestions


Irregardless of the "best method" For the LOVE of gygax we NEED new Lvl 1-3ish content.

[SilkofDrasnia]

I often take level 19 on my characters. By the time i have finished the level 16 content, I have never yet been capped. Yes, that includes running both vale and wheloon. Since i don't want to repeat quests i move on to level 17 or higher quests, depending on what i want to run.

Banking levels was made somewhat archaic by the change to the xp curve. That's why i don't ever have a problem running low on content in the levels 8-12, or whatever supposedly has a quest shortage. Banking levels was only ever necessary to prepare yourself for the shortage of xp available in the higher levels back with the old xp curve.

Just to pipe in I would like to see more level 15 quests.

[fangblackhawk]

with all the plane hopping that happens in this game we should travel to the city of doors, planescape, we then have a reasonable and valid means to world jump more around and visit this classic campaign along with any othe campaign in all of d&d ... just random thoughts here, necro 5 in ravenloft, a low level dragon raid in krynn, ect..... the possibilitys would be endless

[psykopeta]

Come to grips? What does that even mean? I have an opinion and I'm voicing it. Midlevel content is junk by its very definition, given massive historical precedent.

for me junk is having to repeat the same quest 3248472o3 times to lvl, like we did til the repetition and xp curve changes

in fact i skip more low lvl quests (cause i hard cap w/o wanting) than middle lvl ones

sadly for the same reason i have to skip high lvl quest ones (nice thing the ones i skip at low lvls and high lvls are the ones with epic version)

so you can hit 28 with doing once every quest ingame, in fact there're some quests to spare

midlevel quests are the ones that allow people to skip quests that have epic version

ofc these quests can be skipped with otto boxes and iconic, but that doesn't make em junk, at least not by definition, they save money and time

[Oxarhamar]

Hindsight is always 20/20.

Even IF they did a poll, someone here would be upset about the poll itself, it's choices, how it was presented/delivered, or even the wording.

Still blown away people are getting upset that we are getting another Tribute Module! We started asking for another one the very day HH launched! Many offered to pay extra cash to get one because they enjoyed it so much and wanted more.

We got what we asked for and people are upset that we got what we asked for, again.

Rather sad....

Yeah I don't think it's as simple as being upset about what we are getting more about the difference in what we were told we would get and what we are getting. The change of plans based on player feedback that came from where exactly? I know there was a thread a while back asking what players favorite content was but, I'm not finding it.

Also I've already posted the relevant bit of the July producers letter and it is very confusing because, the letter is split into sections based on Update with all future plans jumbled into the U24 section which made it appear like Abaurock was due for U24 but, in rereading it was planned for the later.

Still think an in game survey would reach the broadest section of players.

The players have enjoyed being in the know and in the process of effecting changes we have seen since the Devs have been more communicative with us has backfired with thier hush hush about this update.

SUPRIZE it's Xoriat! We feel left out and as if we had a fast one pulled on us believing U24 was due to be Anaurock thanks to the confusion in July's letter.




The tribute module sounds great. They are opening the possibility to visit any and all DND settings with the addition of Greyhaek.
Personally though I hope it is not another Haunted Halls. To expand I was highly disappointed that a Module as large as Haunted Halls was turned into one Gaint quest instead of a Chain or even Multiple Quests in the same instance. I truly hope that ToEE looks more like Tangleroot reentering the dungeon to complete different objectives as we advance through the storyline.

[The_Human_Cypher]

with all the plane hopping that happens in this game we should travel to the city of doors, planescape, we then have a reasonable and valid means to world jump more around and visit this classic campaign along with any othe campaign in all of d&d ... just random thoughts here, necro 5 in ravenloft, a low level dragon raid in krynn, ect..... the possibilitys would be endless

I am hoping that the Hall of Heroes eventually become The Hub of the Planes, and we get to visit Ravenloft, Planescape, Spelljammers, and other D&D campaign worlds if only for one quest.

[jalont]

Yeah I don't think it's as simple as being upset about what we are getting more about the difference in what we were told we would get and what we are getting. The change of plans based on player feedback that came from where exactly? I know there was a thread a while back asking what players favorite content was but, I'm not finding it.

Also I've already posted the relevant bit of the July producers letter and it is very confusing because, the letter is split into sections based on Update with all future plans jumbled into the U24 section which made it appear like Abaurock was due for U24 but, in rereading it was planned for the later.

Still think an in game survey would reach the broadest section of players.

The players have enjoyed being in the know and in the process of effecting changes we have seen since the Devs have been more communicative with us has backfired with thier hush hush about this update.

SUPRIZE it's Xoriat! We feel left out and as if we had a fast one pulled on us believing U24 was due to be Anaurock thanks to the confusion in July's letter.




The tribute module sounds great. They are opening the possibility to visit any and all DND settings with the addition of Greyhaek.
Personally though I hope it is not another Haunted Halls. To expand I was highly disappointed that a Module as large as Haunted Halls was turned into one Gaint quest instead of a Chain or even Multiple Quests in the same instance. I truly hope that ToEE looks more like Tangleroot reentering the dungeon to complete different objectives as we advance through the storyline.

Personally, I think players should be completely excluded from the decision process because they're horrible at designing anything. Player feedback was listened to entirely too much during the bard and pally reboots, and it has created such a mess that it's completely changed the game DDO is within just two updates.

Absolutely horrible.

[Oxarhamar]

Personally, I think players should be completely excluded from the decision process because they're horrible at designing anything. Player feedback was listened to entirely too much during the bard and pally reboots, and it has created such a mess that it's completely changed the game DDO is within just two updates.

Absolutely horrible.

Oh yes because, it was the players who came up with swashbuckler & Holy Sword.

It's ok if you want to exclude your self from the discussions. We won't complain about that one bit.

[jalont]

Oh yes because, it was the players who came up with swashbuckler & Holy Sword.

It's ok if you want to exclude your self from the discussions. We won't complain about that one bit.

For the most part, I do exclude myself from design discussions except for blanket statements like more challenge please, more balance please or less needless player buffs please.

[catouse9]

That is,why I want new low and level quests

I'm cool with what ever quests they want to make the more the merrier-But I am kind of new and have not even done all the quests yet.

[Uska]

Personally, I think players should be completely excluded from the decision process because they're horrible at designing anything. Player feedback was listened to entirely too much during the bard and pally reboots, and it has created such a mess that it's completely changed the game DDO is within just two updates.

Absolutely horrible.

yes they but the barb ones look worse

[Monkey-Boy]

with all the plane hopping that happens in this game we should travel to the city of doors, planescape, we then have a reasonable and valid means to world jump more around and visit this classic campaign along with any othe campaign in all of d&d ... just random thoughts here, necro 5 in ravenloft, a low level dragon raid in krynn, ect..... the possibilitys would be endless

City of Doors would be the bestamest expansion ever. But man that would cost something huge to get made.

[Seikojin]

I don't quite know if it was made clear or not, but is the lam preview going to contain ToEE? I don't think so, but I hope so?

[Hendrik]

Yeah I don't think it's as simple as being upset about what we are getting more about the difference in what we were told we would get and what we are getting. The change of plans based on player feedback that came from where exactly? I know there was a thread a while back asking what players favorite content was but, I'm not finding it.

Also I've already posted the relevant bit of the July producers letter and it is very confusing because, the letter is split into sections based on Update with all future plans jumbled into the U24 section which made it appear like Abaurock was due for U24 but, in rereading it was planned for the later.

Still think an in game survey would reach the broadest section of players.

The players have enjoyed being in the know and in the process of effecting changes we have seen since the Devs have been more communicative with us has backfired with thier hush hush about this update.

SUPRIZE it's Xoriat! We feel left out and as if we had a fast one pulled on us believing U24 was due to be Anaurock thanks to the confusion in July's letter.




The tribute module sounds great. They are opening the possibility to visit any and all DND settings with the addition of Greyhaek.
Personally though I hope it is not another Haunted Halls. To expand I was highly disappointed that a Module as large as Haunted Halls was turned into one Gaint quest instead of a Chain or even Multiple Quests in the same instance. I truly hope that ToEE looks more like Tangleroot reentering the dungeon to complete different objectives as we advance through the storyline.

Plans change, we all know that by now, or at least we should and not be surprised when it does happen. The feedback that pushed anything back or changed what was going to be done when prolly came from the PC.

Knowing how that kinda thing works with Turbine and based on past experiences, the push back for those things is a good thing - in the fact that things were not ready based on feedback. I am just speculating there based on my personal experiences from ML.

I looked for the same thread and gave up after awhile. I might have had better luck looking near the release of HH as people were posting that they wanted another and what they wanted it to be.

I agree, in game survey would be the best. At launch or close of client type thing. Needs to be kinda 'in your face' IMO.

HH was and is the best module DDO has ever done. Just very disappointed it turned into a no brainer zerg fest so fast, but I digress...

Currently been playing tabletop ToEE, just hit the second level of the Temple. The place is HUGE! We are talking something like 6 levels, including ground floor. Each level is needed in ToEE for storyline/advancement. I REALLY like the idea of parting it out to do it right - I hope they can. As I said before, I have faith in them with ToEE based off HH. They did HH justice if you don't skip everything and race to the end. They will have their hands full with ToEE as I believe more players have done ToEE then HH in the past.

Me personally, looking forward to and very scared to encounter Zugtomy and Iuz.

[esojiul]

It will be great also include 2 more classes and gnomes.

[Qhualor]

Personally, I think players should be completely excluded from the decision process because they're horrible at designing anything. Player feedback was listened to entirely too much during the bard and pally reboots, and it has created such a mess that it's completely changed the game DDO is within just two updates.

Absolutely horrible.

Player feedback should be listened to, but in the end the devs should make the final neutral decision for the sake of balance. Right now it seems Turbines new design approach by primarily going with player feedback is too messy. Some things are good but there's a lot of bad or OP things happening.