Dragonborn Race

[The_Human_Cypher]

Neverwinter Online is releasing the Dragonborn race next month.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/07...agonborn-pack/

We need at least one exotic, later edition D&D race like the tiefling in DDO. Dragonborn may be a bit "out there" but something like the tiefling would be reasonable and add flavor to the game.

[Karadon_II]

My vote will always be for the Aasimar

[Oberon_Shrader]

I agree with the OP that we need more races/iconics. But, I don't think Dragonborn is too "out there". I think it fits excellently with D&D and the fact that a competing title has invested in it shows that there is an interest in Draconics (something I have claimed multiple times).

OK, so DDO doesn't want to copy Neverwinter and that's right, but a Draconic race does fit with the "Tyranny of Dragons" theme Wizards of the Coast is doing now!

See my Dragon-Blooded idea below:

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...e-Devs-like-it!!!

Turbine, seriously, do not let Neverwinter usurp your market and position as THE go-to online D&D game. DDO needs some love and work, but it's still awesome. Give it that love and work and it will remain awesome for years to come. Let it languish and it will slowly bleed to death.

[Dandonk]

IMO, we needs more bugs. Therefore, my vote goes to Thri-kreen

[Uska]

I hope that means we no,have zero chance of such ever happening here and we don't need an exotic race we need gnomes and the missing Eberron races.

[dunklezhan]

We have 12 races if you include iconics (without them, 8), and 12 classes which can be mixed in all kinds of crazy ways.

WoW has 11 races and 11 classes. Some races are only available to certain factions.

NWO has 12 races (including dragonborn) and 7 classes, again choose once and done.


I think saying DDO *needs* new races is probably pushing it. If it was to go with a new race, I think after all this time it's owed to gnomes. I don't see the point myself, but that is what the community has asked for the most over the years. Gnomes just seem 'meh' to me. I'd rather get Kalashtar or Shifter (Xendrik is a good place for Shifters to escape to and with the quori haven taken an interest, Kalashtar may not be far behind), gnomes would appear to me to be another small race basically best suited to doing one thing well.

But if they do a new race, I'm pretty sure it would have to be gnome lest hordes of screaming, incomprehensibly-gnome-loving players descend upon Turbine HQ. I hope they just make 'em an iconic and have done.

[ForgettableNPC]

If a dragon-related race does get implemented, does that mean we can actually be a Half-Dragon Monk now?

[Flavilandile]

We need at least one exotic, later edition D&D race like the tiefling in DDO.

Kalashtars and Shifters would fill the Exotic slot quite well...

[Alexisus]

[QUOTE=Oberon_Shrader;5388552]I agree with the OP that we need more races/iconics. But, I don't think Dragonborn is too "out there". I think it fits excellently with D&D and the fact that a competing title has invested in it shows that there is an interest in Draconics (something I have claimed multiple times).

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Yes. Heavy interest in Draconics. And yes, Dragonborn fit perfectly in a 4e/forgotten realms setting, if the devs wanted a new race from there as they expand it.

[skaught78]

Agreed. We need something!!! Getting tired of the same old races. I wouldn't care what it would be. Though I'm partial to Tiefling. Just please not Gnome!

Of course, if Turbine does make a new race, they will more than likely make it something you have to buy...

[FranOhmsford]

Gnomes are the obvious next race.

After Gnomes I want to see KOBOLDS!

Then maybe Hobgoblins and Flinds.

Kalashtar and Psionicist class would be nice too.

Thri-Kreen, Tieflings, Aasimar, Shifters, Dragonkin - These are way down on my list and tbh I'd rather not see any of them as Player Characters in DDO ever!

[Dagolar]

I think saying DDO *needs* new races is probably pushing it. If it was to go with a new race, I think after all this time it's owed to gnomes. I don't see the point myself, but that is what the community has asked for the most over the years. Gnomes just seem 'meh' to me. I'd rather get Kalashtar or Shifter (Xendrik is a good place for Shifters to escape to and with the quori haven taken an interest, Kalashtar may not be far behind), gnomes would appear to me to be another small race basically best suited to doing one thing well.

But if they do a new race, I'm pretty sure it would have to be gnome lest hordes of screaming, incomprehensibly-gnome-loving players descend upon Turbine HQ. I hope they just make 'em an iconic and have done.

We of the Gnomish Ubiquity Network thank you for your support.

Gnomes, Kobolds, Aasimar, and Tieflings are definitely overwhelmingly the four races that have been requested the most (by what I've seen) [followed closely by 'all other Eberronean races'].

Aasimar and Tieflings are just glorified humans- and thus would make ideal iconics.

Gnomes and Kobolds, though, are pretty distinct [especially if using all the various variation content for kobolds, which you really need to do to make them viable].

Rowan mentioned [gnomes and kobolds] were in consideration a few producer's notes back, so hopefully they've managed to make some progress since then.

And yes- DDO has the best build versatility of any game. It's one of the main reasons we love it.
But that doesn't mean it can't add more.

Well, I definitely'd like to see them throw out the occasional fresh iconic every so often, at the least.
When Iconics were released, I got the impression that part of the reason they were created was to allow an easier way of getting out new racial content [ie, by simply art-tweaking to add in subraces]. Likewise, I got the impression that the devs were intending to keep releasing them on a semi-regular basis.

Kinda been disappointed that I haven't seen any released-

Though if that means they've been putting effort into Gnomes and Kobolds, that's definitely O-K.

[Kawai]

Fus... ROH DAHHHHHHHHH

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...oh, wrong game :/

[HatsuharuZ]

It wouldn't be hard for Turbine to implement Tieflings, and I suspect they are already working on Gnomes.

What's wrong with Tieflings, lol? They get +int and +dex, and only get -cha.

[dunklezhan]

We of the Gnomish Ubiquity Network thank you for your support.

Gnomes, Kobolds, Aasimar, and Tieflings are definitely overwhelmingly the four races that have been requested the most (by what I've seen) [followed closely by 'all other Eberronean races'].

Aasimar and Tieflings are just glorified humans- and thus would make ideal iconics.

Gnomes and Kobolds, though, are pretty distinct [especially if using all the various variation content for kobolds, which you really need to do to make them viable].

Rowan mentioned [gnomes and kobolds] were in consideration a few producer's notes back, so hopefully they've managed to make some progress since then.

And yes- DDO has the best build versatility of any game. It's one of the main reasons we love it.
But that doesn't mean it can't add more.

Well, I definitely'd like to see them throw out the occasional fresh iconic every so often, at the least.
When Iconics were released, I got the impression that part of the reason they were created was to allow an easier way of getting out new racial content [ie, by simply art-tweaking to add in subraces]. Likewise, I got the impression that the devs were intending to keep releasing them on a semi-regular basis.

Kinda been disappointed that I haven't seen any released-

Though if that means they've been putting effort into Gnomes and Kobolds, that's definitely O-K.

Y'know, I nearly brought kobolds up, because I'd really love to be able to play one too - but I don't think it could be done without 'added specialness'. Kobolds are just so weak compared to other playable races RAW, they'd have to be fudged somehow to make them playable.

Your case for/against iconics I agree with too.

But see, this is why I said it would have to be gnomes. Its the one race we can all agree is in fact missing rather than bringing in an eberron specific race or one from an 'advanced' splatbook. Sure I'd still rather have Kalashtar or Shifters with their lovely Eberron flavour and Xendrik-friendly backstory. But gnomes were a 3rd ed core race, and other than WoW, no-one else has them. So score one for gnomes (and I'll take a Kalashtar as an iconic instead ).

Kalashtar do at least already get a mention in game. 'It doesn't take a Kalashtar to see something-something' (they want you to go further in, or something) the GM says. Sorrowdusk I think.

[Oberon_Shrader]

We have 12 races if you include iconics (without them, 8).

I don't think its fair to count all the iconics as true races. They share too much with the standard races we had before them. Thus, I'd say we still could use more of either true races or iconics

Gnomes, Kobolds, Aasimar, and Tieflings are definitely overwhelmingly the four races that have been requested the most (by what I've seen) [followed closely by 'all other Eberronean races'].

I agree that these have been the most commonly requested races. But, I don't think any of them would be the best choice for helping DDO from a marketing perspective. I know it's counter-intuitive, but the most vocal groups are not always in harmony with the majority. What I mean to say is that people who are dissatisfied are usually the ones to speak the loudest, even when a minority. You can even see that exemplified in this thread: many of the same voices once again posting about a topic that's been brought up many times (myself included), but no overwhelming response from the passive majority.

That means that an organization shouldn't just accept requests based on volume; there has to be further analysis and research to discover what the majority of people want. I suspect that if Turbine did a survey about races (inside and outside of the DDO community) the results might be surprising.

Too many requests are simply "I want..." type requests where they should be considering what's good for the game, both for the current community and for drawing in new business. After all, money is what keeps this game afloat and the best way for them to get more money is to get more players. If you want to see this incredible game grow, start helping with ideas that also include some marketable purpose.

[The_Human_Cypher]

Too many requests are simply "I want..." type requests where they should be considering what's good for the game, both for the current community and for drawing in new business. After all, money is what keeps this game afloat and the best way for them to get more money is to get more players. If you want to see this incredible game grow, start helping with ideas that also include some marketable purpose.

DDO could solicit responses from everyone, not just the current player community, on the next playable race. This could be done as a contest, with participation counting as an entry in a giveaway. People could enter and then select from a list of choices.

[Oberon_Shrader]

DDO could solicit responses from everyone, not just the current player community, on the next playable race. This could be done as a contest, with participation counting as an entry in a giveaway. People could enter and then select from a list of choices.

I love this idea. Cypher. It involves folks beyond the community and could be a useful tool in drawing in new players by itself. Prizes might include a few months VIP subscription, TP cards or cosmetics. This way we'd get an idea of what the world at large wants out of DDO.

I think one of DDO's biggest issues at the moment is its inaccessibility to new players. Finding ways to draw them in should be top priority to anyone with a vested interest in this game. That said, maybe I'll open a thread to discuss marketing and accessibility.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

DDO could solicit responses from everyone, not just the current player community, on the next playable race. This could be done as a contest, with participation counting as an entry in a giveaway. People could enter and then select from a list of choices.

Gnomes are the next race. Anything else will be a disappointment for me. Even better, the introduction of a few illusion spells for casters/bards would be stupendous.

TURBINE: Read every word of the above quote. This is a brilliant interactive way to include opinions of current playerbase and the DDO departed. Brilliant marketing idea!

[The_Human_Cypher]

Thank you for the positive feedback. DDO recently had a retweet challenge on Twitter to meet 200 tweets before a 25% discount was applied with a code to the Haunted Halls of Eveningstar pack. The above mentioned poll for a new DDO race could be conducted via social media without costing Turbine very much in marketing costs. Gnomes would most likely be next as so many players have asked for Gnomes (and they are a core D&D race) but this kind of marketing campaign could be implemented after Gnomes are introduced to the game.