New Player Raid Training – Vision of Destruction

[Tobril]

Added featherfall as a requirement, just in case people made it to 17+
without their broken ankles compelling them to pick up a cheap item.

There is a really deep hole near the start and I can’t afford a rope.

[stoopid_cowboy]

If you need another "leader" go ahead and toss my name on the list.
I can bring just about anything to help teach the needed roles.

yuda

p.s. I get off work at 5pst, so dont start without me

[Tobril]

If you need another "leader" go ahead and toss my name on the list.
I can bring just about anything to help teach the needed roles.

yuda

p.s. I get off work at 5pst, so dont start without me

Added, despite the fact the Pacific time require me to do arduous subtraction.

[caberonia]

Added.

Your spec is fine, please bring the spells on the list.

Other fun stuff here is mass suggestion and dancing ball,
finger/wail may be a little tough for a first lifer.
(devil fort saves are high, reflex low, and will moderate)


Is Fistalis from your myDDO the character name?

Yes.. hes on his second life though. Give me an idea of the DCs and we can go from there. I haven't used any tomes on him this life because I hadn't planned on messing with any high level raids etc. so you may be right even with the second life.

[Sir_Gavin]

It sounds like you might be doing this more than once......If so I wouls like to be signed up for the next one, as I have my final day of teaching my Hunters Ed class that night and won't be getting home till after 10:00pm CST.


I have 2 toons I can run with..

Galda - LVL 20 Pure Cleric
Galdacon - LVL 19 (almost 20) BLITZ Fighter (12 Ftr, 6 Barb, 1 Rouge (need to get last lvl of rouge yet))

[Tobril]

Yes.. hes on his second life though. Give me an idea of the DCs and we can go from there. I haven't used any tomes on him this life because I hadn't planned on messing with any high level raids etc. so you may be right even with the second life.

It’s been a long time since I took my wiz in on normal,
but I seem to recall ~40 necro DC had a about 50% chance.

It was much more cost effective for me to land will saves,
and reflex saves are a breeze. (they are really clumsy or something)

[Tobril]

It sounds like you might be doing this more than once......If so I wouls like to be signed up for the next one, as I have my final day of teaching my Hunters Ed class that night and won't be getting home till after 10:00pm CST.


I have 2 toons I can run with..

Galda - LVL 20 Pure Cleric
Galdacon - LVL 19 (almost 20) BLITZ Fighter (12 Ftr, 6 Barb, 1 Rouge (need to get last lvl of rouge yet))

How this run goes will decide a lot of things.

Meanwhile, good luck on keeping the next gen of hunters from
climbing fences with rifles and other no-nos.

[Tiemmothi]

oh hey... i didn't raise my hand? Oh i got the thieves tools, unless we have a new player rogue, in which case I can let him do traps, if his check is high enough. Other than that I'm ready.

On a side note depending on how this goes, and If we get the people I would like to expand this training to Hound as well. Its a hope and a prayer.

Shuhei- Assassin Extraordinaire.. oh and has a thing about woodchucks... they needs to be killed.

[Tobril]

oh hey... i didn't raise my hand? Oh i got the thieves tools, unless we have a new player rogue, in which case I can let him do traps, if his check is high enough. Other than that I'm ready.

On a side note depending on how this goes, and If we get the people I would like to expand this training to Hound as well. Its a hope and a prayer.

Shuhei- Assassin Extraordinaire.. oh and has a thing about woodchucks... they needs to be killed.

Already added sucka!

[MrFister]

I have a 2nd life HOrc barb at level 17. I'm not sure I'd be able to make it at 8 central, usually putting the boy to bed then, but with the time shift it's possible.

I have a Lit II great axe, but no DR breaker, as I kept reading breaking DR wasn't super critical on normal (which is what I almost always run).

So, I guess put me down for a sub and I'll try to be there. And let me know if I have to or should get some DR breakers from somewhere.

Thanks!

-Saurfang (character name)

[Sarisa]

oh hey... i didn't raise my hand? Oh i got the thieves tools, unless we have a new player rogue, in which case I can let him do traps, if his check is high enough. Other than that I'm ready.

On a side note depending on how this goes, and If we get the people I would like to expand this training to Hound as well. Its a hope and a prayer.

Shuhei- Assassin Extraordinaire.. oh and has a thing about woodchucks... they needs to be killed.

The disable DC's for those traps is only in the low to mid 40's, so anyone with max ranks, +15 items, and +5 tools should have no trouble getting it.

You can do VoD without getting the traps, it's just something you need to be more careful about, and everyone has to gather up close and personal in a corner.

To Tobril:
Nice thing you're doing here. I'd offer my assistance if necessary, but you already have a very solid set of helpers.

It would help a lot of people to let them know about the 'Environment Stencil Shadows' option in Advanced Graphics. I'm sure a lot of people who don't regularly run Shadow Crypt or go into the Subterrane don't really know about that option, and how to fix the every 6 second or so stutter.

In addition, it may be helpful to lead people down through the "high road" to avoid having to make that jump. That's up to you, of course, but many groups I've been in where we've had newer players, they had a lot better luck getting down there through that path.

[stoopid_cowboy]

Oh i got the thieves tools, unless we have a new player rogue, in which case I can let him do traps, if his check is high enough. Other than that I'm ready.

I had a thought... (yes, I did almost just hurt myself)
How about doing a run and NOT disabling traps? There has been a few times we get to the portal and the rogue dc's, is on timer, is an assasin and cant do traps. Or, nobody has trap skillz in party (DoooOOooMMMMmmm!!!1!!).

Was just a thought. if needed I could play worthless rogue and blow up all the traps.

yuda

[Sir_Gavin]

How this run goes will decide a lot of things.

Meanwhile, good luck on keeping the next gen of hunters from
climbing fences with rifles and other no-nos.

I will do my best to do just that...cuz I don't want to get shot any more than anyone else...LOL

Hope all goes well with the run....I'll wait to hear Samius (the no pants and gravity challenged Halfling) or you brag how well it went on DDOCast...LOL

And if it is something you plan to again....plz sign me up

[Tobril]

I have a 2nd life HOrc barb at level 17. I'm not sure I'd be able to make it at 8 central, usually putting the boy to bed then, but with the time shift it's possible.

I have a Lit II great axe, but no DR breaker, as I kept reading breaking DR wasn't super critical on normal (which is what I almost always run).

So, I guess put me down for a sub and I'll try to be there. And let me know if I have to or should get some DR breakers from somewhere.

Thanks!

-Saurfang (character name)

Added.

Your Lit II is fine for normal, higher settings you'll do better with a crafted silver holy (burst) of (greater) evil/lawful outsider bane.

Mere 40ish crafting is enough for a +4 holy of evil outsider bane, a pretty decent weapon that you will get a lot of mileage out of.


Edit - If the artificer shows up your Lit II will be INCREDIBLY AWESOME.

[Tobril]

I had a thought... (yes, I did almost just hurt myself)
How about doing a run and NOT disabling traps? There has been a few times we get to the portal and the rogue dc's, is on timer, is an assasin and cant do traps. Or, nobody has trap skillz in party (DoooOOooMMMMmmm!!!1!!).

Was just a thought. if needed I could play worthless rogue and blow up all the traps.

yuda

I fully expect people to try and get me killed in a variety of ways, let's not add traps to this run.

If feedback is good after this run we'll see about playing with the lady-makers.

[Tobril]

The disable DC's for those traps is only in the low to mid 40's, so anyone with max ranks, +15 items, and +5 tools should have no trouble getting it.

You can do VoD without getting the traps, it's just something you need to be more careful about, and everyone has to gather up close and personal in a corner.

To Tobril:
Nice thing you're doing here. I'd offer my assistance if necessary, but you already have a very solid set of helpers.

It would help a lot of people to let them know about the 'Environment Stencil Shadows' option in Advanced Graphics. I'm sure a lot of people who don't regularly run Shadow Crypt or go into the Subterrane don't really know about that option, and how to fix the every 6 second or so stutter.

In addition, it may be helpful to lead people down through the "high road" to avoid having to make that jump. That's up to you, of course, but many groups I've been in where we've had newer players, they had a lot better luck getting down there through that path.

Thanks for the support, I need all the help I can get!


I'll think about the high road suggestion, but what is a VoD without having to rescue the gravity challenged?


Could you elaborate on the stencil issue? I've never lagged in the sub, only had issues with glare from the sun when trying to make the low road jumps.

[Munkenmo]

options
Graphics
Advanced Graphics

midway down is a box called

Environment stencil shadows.

Alot of people suffer a stuttering lag in the sub about every 3rd second, for 90% of those people disabling this graphics option will have no visual effect at all, but it will remove that stutter.

[Sarisa]

Could you elaborate on the stencil issue? I've never lagged in the sub, only had issues with glare from the sun when trying to make the low road jumps.

For a lot of people, if they have the 'Environment Stencil Shadows' option enabled (it's on by default if you're on "medium" graphics quality or better I believe), you'll get a 1 second or so freeze every 5-6 seconds. It can be very frustrating and difficult to make the jumps with that much graphical lag. Disabling that option will fix the hitch.

It's an issue that's most common in the Subterrane, and Shadow Crypt. It also affects some people in parts of Ritual Sacrifice and Maraud the Mines.

I'll think about the high road suggestion, but what is a VoD without having to rescue the gravity challenged?

Red Alert! Just warn people not to run around too much when they fall, since that really makes the DA bad. They may also find those wicked traps the hard way.

[lilleengen2]

+1 for this.

I might not be a completely new player, but I sure am new to many of the end-game raids.. And I'll probally always be that, because getting yelled at takes the fun out of the game.

I've just jumped over to Sarlona, but when I get a character up to 20ish, I will be glad to take part in this.

Thank you a lot!

[Kages]

Though I understand traps suck, but Yuda has a point. A lot of pug runs either cant get or forget the rogue type toon and wipe on the traps. It would be highly benificial to teach these new players to raiding how to avoid the traps. Just my 2 cents on the matter.

P.S. Confermation on having 10th off so I'll definately be online throughout the day. Good luck and enjoy the run if all spots fill.