Super rough draft for U12 monk tank…

[Memek]

Do you really need the +100% hate?
Do you really need the additional saves (you already have Improved Evasion)?

A Monk 12/ Fighter 8 would put out very high hate as i see it as it's a high dps build with very high hate amp.

Dodge also qualifies you both Ninja Spy and Defender. Haste Boost (3 at Fighter 7) would be your bread and butter in most everyday quests, to rip the kill count apart (and the build would).

The extra feats from 8 Fighter also add a bunch of feats which means more HP.

I had been planning the 12 Monk/ 8 Fighter for a while however mostly as a sturdy DPS guy, but i dont really see what a the 6 levels of Paladin will give over it. The extra hate? 12/8 should do prime DPS with +100% hate or so, saves, 12/8 has IE at least while, sure, the other saves would be on the low side.

I can see 2 Paladin levels, but are more really necessary?

Your 2nd stat allocation also shows low attack stat and a high-end tank absolutely mustnt be missing high-ac creatures, because if you do start missing, aggro goes bye-bye real quick.
18 Strength pre items? I wouldnt even trust you hold to aggro on the demon of the deeps.

[Tobril]

Do you really need the +100% hate?
Do you really need the additional saves (you already have Improved Evasion)?

A Monk 12/ Fighter 8 would put out very high hate as i see it as it's a high dps build with very high hate amp.

Dodge also qualifies you both Ninja Spy and Defender. Haste Boost (3 at Fighter 7) would be your bread and butter in most everyday quests, to rip the kill count apart (and the build would).

The extra feats from 8 Fighter also add a bunch of feats which means more HP.

I had been planning the 12 Monk/ 8 Fighter for a while however mostly as a sturdy DPS guy, but i dont really see what a the 6 levels of Paladin will give over it. The extra hate? 12/8 should do prime DPS with +100% hate or so, saves, 12/8 has IE at least while, sure, the other saves would be on the low side.

I can see 2 Paladin levels, but are more really necessary?

Read the bottom of page one, many of your concerns
are addressed. I’ve already decided to swap the pal
and ftr levels around.

6 pal also gives the option for Unyielding Sovereignty,
but I finally decided it was too expensive and didn’t get
used enough to justify buying.

CE is staying, the AC option has been really nice.

The difference between 8 fighter and 6 fighter is slim,
whereas the 2 paladin adds much more for my purposes.

Your 2nd stat allocation also shows low attack stat and a high-end tank absolutely mustnt be missing high-ac creatures, because if you do start missing, aggro goes bye-bye real quick.
18 Strength pre items? I wouldnt even trust you hold to aggro on the demon of the deeps.

Been there, done that.

I have toys to make the to-hit manageable, but it can be
an issue at times. The current plan is to (finally) eat my
+4 tomes and re-allocate stats a bit, plus the addition of
some fighter lives.

[Tobril]

STR

Tanking
15 base
7 item
1 ex
3 tome
2 AP
3 profane
2 stance
5 levels
2 yugo
2 boat

42, more than my other monk which semi-regularly tanks turgilon and the deeps monster


To-hit
20 BAB
16 str
4 raven (requires using brawn as a swap)
4 gh
6 weapon (need greater cell)
3 ship
-5 CE/PA

48, not good

3 lives
4 spectral (lose hate and amp)
5 isunder

60, still a bit low

2 shintao (no ac mode)
5 (no PA or CE)

67, doable

[Tobril]

Finally swapped the pal and ftr levels around, build is a lot more solid now.

I don’t miss righteousness at all and rarely used lay hands so no big losses,
but extra HP and Intim is awesome.

Also tanked the deeps monster just fine, nyah nyah.


I’ve witnessed a good monk based tank do lob and have confirmation from
him that blocking without a shield stops the stun and mournlands. As such
I’m going to give tanking that raid a shot sometime and see how it goes.

Current plan is to add a barb and three fighter lives. Barb life instead of a
toughness will help hit mid-80’s intim for off-tanking and hound.
(not having to wear a CHA skills item for little raids is nice as well)

With the new TR tools available completionist may become a reality
as one of several toughness could easily be replaced by it.

To-hit is still an issue sometimes, I’ve upped the STR via gear+AP changes,
still a little more work to go in that regard before I’m satisfied.