Hate being level 20 cleric

[dragonmane]

My level 20 cleric(he is my first toon and I consider him my main toon). It seems every time I get on him I am getting blind invites and tells of people who are telling me that they need a cleric for their group. It has gotten so bad that people are trying to hire me lol. My cleric isnt the best, but he has some epic equipment and has good HP and SP. But really, I am not going to be downing 20 to 30 SP pots just to finish an epic. I am not even playing my other level 20 toons just for this problem.

I have now not played my cleric but 3 times since update 11 and really, I hate getting on him just because of the invites and how long it takes to finish epics and raids. If DDO can just please reconsider that the increase in HP and fort has now made the game extremely hard to play any end game content unless you have tons of pots or a fully geared toon with a fully geared guild behind them. Its stopped being fun to play a class that I love. I am still working on other classes that need to get to 20, but now I am thinking I am going to have to TR my cleric when I really didnt want to.

[joaofalcao]

Yet another "U11 is a mess" thread.

I wonder when turbine will drop the ball and give us answers to so many claims.

Hey turbine, over here! Look!

Sigh...

[ainmosni]

My level 20 cleric(he is my first toon and I consider him my main toon). It seems every time I get on him I am getting blind invites and tells of people who are telling me that they need a cleric for their group. It has gotten so bad that people are trying to hire me lol. My cleric isnt the best, but he has some epic equipment and has good HP and SP. But really, I am not going to be downing 20 to 30 SP pots just to finish an epic. I am not even playing my other level 20 toons just for this problem.

I have now not played my cleric but 3 times since update 11 and really, I hate getting on him just because of the invites and how long it takes to finish epics and raids. If DDO can just please reconsider that the increase in HP and fort has now made the game extremely hard to play any end game content unless you have tons of pots or a fully geared toon with a fully geared guild behind them. Its stopped being fun to play a class that I love. I am still working on other classes that need to get to 20, but now I am thinking I am going to have to TR my cleric when I really didnt want to.

with the exception of the new raids on epic, every epic/elite raid in the game has been completed without use of mana pots, or with minimal use (cap's crew of ghallanda did an elite tod a while back with one pot used, not exactly 'extreme' resource usage considering ive seen people chug through pots for normal completions BEFORE u11).

they're boring, yeah, but fully completable. Just not very pug-friendly anymore. i'd sign up for elite/epic raids if i were you, just..... not on my healer. unless i knew exactly who was gonna be in the party, and these people = easy completion.

[Dysmetria]

My level 20 cleric(he is my first toon and I consider him my main toon). It seems every time I get on him I am getting blind invites and tells of people who are telling me that they need a cleric for their group. It has gotten so bad that people are trying to hire me lol. My cleric isnt the best, but he has some epic equipment and has good HP and SP. But really, I am not going to be downing 20 to 30 SP pots just to finish an epic. I am not even playing my other level 20 toons just for this problem.

I have now not played my cleric but 3 times since update 11 and really, I hate getting on him just because of the invites and how long it takes to finish epics and raids. If DDO can just please reconsider that the increase in HP and fort has now made the game extremely hard to play any end game content unless you have tons of pots or a fully geared toon with a fully geared guild behind them. Its stopped being fun to play a class that I love. I am still working on other classes that need to get to 20, but now I am thinking I am going to have to TR my cleric when I really didnt want to.

If you need to down 20 or 30 sp pots just to finish an epic, then you (or your party) are doing something wrong.

As for the blind invites there is tons of fun to be had with those. Accept, then enter and wait till they engage the first group of mobs to inform them that you only dps and do not heal, or enter first and set it to casual instead of epic, or enter a different quest so they can't kick you and then play bad music over your mic loud or....

There's reallly a ton of ways to have fun with those blind invites.

[Geonis]

LOL, the common response of "they are complete-able...... with a guild or static group" is awesome.

So, don't make new friends or try to do these without knowing exactly who is with you. Sounds like a solid business plan for a game company.

For those who keep saying "Epic is supposed to be hard" and "Only 5% should be able to complete epic", how about you try something truly hard, maybe life?

I come to DDO to have fun, not waste time and money because a few dozen losers in mom and dad's basement feel the game isn't hard enough. That is what life is for, to challenge yourself.

[ainmosni]

LOL, the common response of "they are complete-able...... with a guild or static group" is awesome.

So, don't make new friends or try to do these without knowing exactly who is with you. Sounds like a solid business plan for a game company.

For those who keep saying "Epic is supposed to be hard" and "Only 5% should be able to complete epic", how about you try something truly hard, maybe life?

I come to DDO to have fun, not waste time and money because a few dozen losers in mom and dad's basement feel the game isn't hard enough. That is what life is for, to challenge yourself.

don't get me wrong, i dont llike the changes u11 and have posted multiple d00m threads/posts about it. it needs to be nerfed, i understand any 50% fort 240 hitpoint ranger should be allowed to walk into epic dragon and leave with a shard of the crimson necklace of prophecy, but i think they took it too far with u11. point was, they're not entirely pot-sucking fests for divines and arcanes, they just require good players who have familiarity with the raid.


oh, and i pug epic raids often, on my healer. i rarely drink pots. but i lead the group, and make sure i explain how to not fail to people who may be iffy.

thanks for the attempted flaming though, people on my server know im the least elitist jerk around, id rather offer helpful advice to a new player and allow anyone into any raid im running, regardless of class or build, and take the burden of resource consumption on myself.

[Zzevel]

LOL, the common response of "they are complete-able...... with a guild or static group" is awesome.

So, don't make new friends or try to do these without knowing exactly who is with you. Sounds like a solid business plan for a game company.

For those who keep saying "Epic is supposed to be hard" and "Only 5% should be able to complete epic", how about you try something truly hard, maybe life?

I come to DDO to have fun, not waste time and money because a few dozen losers in mom and dad's basement feel the game isn't hard enough. That is what life is for, to challenge yourself.

This guy got a +1

All quests should be able to be completed in a pug, you should not need an epic geared out static group to do ANY quest, the 2% high or low extremes need not be discussed, as they both have lifestyle issues...

[Habreno]

If you're having problems with consumption use, merely feel free to let them die, and recall out yourself. No shame in dropping a group that's costing you more than it's worth.

Run a 20 divine myself, and would do it if I had to.

[alvarego]

with the exception of the new raids on epic, every epic/elite raid in the game has been completed without use of mana pots, or with minimal use (cap's crew of ghallanda did an elite tod a while back with one pot used, not exactly 'extreme' resource usage considering ive seen people chug through pots for normal completions BEFORE u11).

they're boring, yeah, but fully completable. Just not very pug-friendly anymore. i'd sign up for elite/epic raids if i were you, just..... not on my healer. unless i knew exactly who was gonna be in the party, and these people = easy completion.

It's so boring to hear this argument over and over because it's sooo cheap, it has been completed like this or like that, but man WHO has completed it? a group of people who wears the best stuff in game and probably has X TRs and that simply searching for the very ultimate piece of equip, the point is that this changes has drasticaly widened the gap between the uber equipped and the ones who want to access to good equip, making for these last now nearly impossible to achieve it ...

The fact that 12 of the 100 best toons of any server have done something doesn't mean the rest thousands can do it, the game has been made more challenging for people who have nearly all and impossible for people trying, thus less fun for 99% of players

But in the end doesn't really matter because things will even with time, Turbine will notice that 99% of players they have bugged will be boring and leaving and not putting their dolars in TPs

[ainmosni]

It's so boring to hear this argument over and over because it's sooo cheap, it has been completed like this or like that, but man WHO has completed it?

i dont llike the changes u11

i pug epic raids often

reading comprehension and context recognition FTW!

[moops]

Anon can be your friend.

Also I have now done EV6, EDQ, Echrono, and LOB multiple times with no pot use while bringing 5- 6 pugs/casual players without any epic gear. Strategy and a good leader help alot, knowing the game mechanics help alot.

My main is a Necro Cleric with just 1960sp.

Jump on your melee, join some epics, figure out who the good leaders on your server are, then when on Cleric join their LFMS.

[Geonis]

don't get me wrong, i dont llike the changes u11 and have posted multiple d00m threads/posts about it. it needs to be nerfed, i understand any 50% fort 240 hitpoint ranger should be allowed to walk into epic dragon and leave with a shard of the crimson necklace of prophecy,

This is the common strawman response from most on these boards. At no point have I said that under-geared, unskilled players should be able to waltz through Epics. I just think that to design a healthy portion of the game for 5% of the players (this number has been used multiple times as a standard for the number of players that should be able to play Epic).

but i think they took it too far with u11. point was, they're not entirely pot-sucking fests for divines and arcanes, they just require good players who have familiarity with the raid.


oh, and i pug epic raids often, on my healer. i rarely drink pots. but i lead the group, and make sure i explain how to not fail to people who may be iffy.

thanks for the attempted flaming though, people on my server know im the least elitist jerk around, id rather offer helpful advice to a new player and allow anyone into any raid im running, regardless of class or build, and take the burden of resource consumption on myself.

that being said, GFYS and have a nice day!

At no point have I flamed anything, and not sure why you think I have a clue who you are or noticed anything you have posted on the forums, but I hope you have a nice day and GFYS too DB!

[alvarego]

reading comprehension and context recognition FTW!

First thing to comprehensive reading is reading IN order FTW!

[OpallNotten]

Anon can be your friend.

Anon is my Best Friend

[Dragavon]

LOL, the common response of "they are complete-able...... with a guild or static group" is awesome.

So, don't make new friends or try to do these without knowing exactly who is with you. Sounds like a solid business plan for a game company.

For those who keep saying "Epic is supposed to be hard" and "Only 5% should be able to complete epic", how about you try something truly hard, maybe life?

I come to DDO to have fun, not waste time and money because a few dozen losers in mom and dad's basement feel the game isn't hard enough. That is what life is for, to challenge yourself.

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[ainmosni]

This is the common strawman response from most on these boards. At no point have I said that under-geared, unskilled players should be able to waltz through Epics. I just think that to design a healthy portion of the game for 5% of the players (this number has been used multiple times as a standard for the number of players that should be able to play Epic).

understand that i completely agree with you on this point- under-geared, unskilled players should not be able to waltz through epic content. i wasnt trying to imply this was your opinion, i was implying that this was the reality pre-u11.

currently the pug scene at end game is DEAD. guild groups/static groups complete with ease, while even decent pug groups fail miserably. the bar is set TOO high. i like that it's no longer a joke (not that elite TOD ever was), but rather than the 5th percentile being able to complete these raids, something in the order of the 40th, or even 25th percentile of people should be able to. barbs with high dex who dump str and rogues with low hp and no threat reduction should fail. a pug full of fairly competent and above moderately geared (id define this as having at least shroud items and good raid-gear alternatives) in a well-balanced party should be able to have a GOOD chance at success.

this is not the case as it stands now, and the weight is carried upon the healers alone. mana conservation techniques work wonders, but after a few untimely deaths due to mistakes, even the best put together group can struggle with the new mechanics. in a pug, an untimely death by a toon with just under the right number of hp's can be murder. rezzing costs time and mana. death penalties can be painful, and can really add up when it starts going south.

[Corwinsky]

Epic quests themselves can all be completed in pug groups without chugging 1 pot.

For epic and elite raids you need a top group of players both in how they are built/geared but also in how they are played (fact that a arcane has over 500hp, high DC, lot of epic items for example is not a certitude that he's actually a good player, far from it) and you can do them hoping to use no pot or at most 1 or 2.

The problem is pug raids or even raids with guild/friends or just 2 or 3 pugs to fill the group when a few are underpar and that's why healers don't join these raid groups anymore when they don't know (or because they know) who's in them.

Only exception could be eADQ2 which is the easiest of the epic/elite raids and can still be expected to be completed by just above average pug groups using a max of 2 or 3 pots.

[erikbozelie]

sounds extremely familiar, sortof like de-ja-vu
epic is either imposible, or really easy. depends on the teamwork. epic really changed since then though.
now we get to instakill in there etc .

i only chuck an pot if its my own fault for losing too much sp. using wrong spells etc.
other then that they'd better give the pot for them if they are that 2k hp 25%healing amp barb that required the eardweller to keep him alive. xD

as for the random tells, they used to do that allot to my (old main) called "eyefight NOT HEAL".
it just comes with the class

[protokon]

I've pugged most of the raids since U11, excluding the two new ones on epic difficulty - all of em are very completable without using resources. and I mean I pugged them while playing my cleric who doesn't even have radiant servant.

scrolls/toggling metamagics/using proper tanks/proper crowd control/dps that are using the proper weapons go a LONG, LONG way to making the run infinitely easier...

epics are supposed to require everyone to pull their own weight. I like the changes.

[Morlen]

LOL, the common response of "they are complete-able...... with a guild or static group" is awesome.

So, don't make new friends or try to do these without knowing exactly who is with you. Sounds like a solid business plan for a game company.

For those who keep saying "Epic is supposed to be hard" and "Only 5% should be able to complete epic", how about you try something truly hard, maybe life?

I come to DDO to have fun, not waste time and money because a few dozen losers in mom and dad's basement feel the game isn't hard enough. That is what life is for, to challenge yourself.

I ALMOST reported this post... Simply to see if we could actually get some feedback on it.

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