Annoying VoD (Rant Thread)

[SynnMG]

Ok, I am pretty annoyed of the last VoD I just participated in.

I was just chewed out a bit after wiping (Sully was about 35%) by [Anonymous Fighter] since he said there should be 2 archer types in the raid. Littlespoon (Me), Dbarcher, and another person whose name I do not recall, were using ranged weapons. All I have is ranged, all Db had was ranged, and Idk about the 3rd guy.

Lets go to some Play-By-Play.
Beginning: Fine, I did the painting @ point blank range.
First Sully Aggro: Was me, He apparently did a very short range teleport that I didn't see and I was foolish enough to left click again. I stood where I was (I am normally on one of the 4 corners of the spike pit on the nubby things) and held Shift for block, not moving, and waited for the tank to assume aggro.

Usually that method either has me dead or injured, but it is better than running around and kiting sully while he smacks everyone I pass.

Second Aggro: was Db, He ran around and some people got hit, as far as I know Db died and people complained. He said to just leave him dead if people plan to b*tch on him using a bow.

I forget the total, but I have pulled Sully about 3 times (2 on the knub, and 1 directly behind Sully).

Would you really hate on someone who is just trying to help, and if acidentally grabbing sully I wait for the tank, and try to not generate anymore threat?

[Elaril]

Why can't you range him from where the melees are? That way the tank doesn't have to run as far to re-establish aggro should he miss an intim/hate boost/generally fail aggro wise, etc.

[SynnMG]

That's what the one behind Sully was. I was doing a personal test checking what you mentioned.

It still took out the normal HP I take and followed with death.

[Calebro]

People are still using bows when they get to VoD?!?

And who was this leader that said you're supposed to have two archer types?!?

[Angelus_dead]

I stood where I was (I am normally on one of the 4 corners of the spike pit on the nubby things) and held Shift for block, not moving, and waited for the tank to assume aggro.

1. All the damager guys stand together so that in the event of pulling aggro, there is no movement.
2. You pull your shield before blocking.

[Sarisa]

Everyone should carry a shield, whether proficient or not. You never know when you'll need the blocking DR.

Everyone should carry melee weapons, even if you're range spec'ed. There are times when ranged is inappropriate, and VoD is generally one of those places.

Everyone should carry ranged weapons, even if melee spec'ed. There are times when you NEED to range.

It used to be that Sully had extreme hatred for ranged, and it could seriously screw up a hate tank's aggro. I don't know if that still exists, but it's still not a good idea to range him from outside of melee range.

[Shade]

Your an archer that doesn't carry melee weapons or shields..

Didn't deserved to get "chewed out"

But you could do with taking some advice on what the issue here is.

[Boldrin]

All I know is your tank must have sucked if an archer was pulling aggro... unless you use epic thornlord or something

[phalaeo]

Everyone should carry a shield, whether proficient or not. You never know when you'll need the blocking DR.

Everyone should carry melee weapons, even if you're range spec'ed. There are times when ranged is inappropriate, and VoD is generally one of those places.

Everyone should carry ranged weapons, even if melee spec'ed. There are times when you NEED to range.

It used to be that Sully had extreme hatred for ranged, and it could seriously screw up a hate tank's aggro. I don't know if that still exists, but it's still not a good idea to range him from outside of melee range.

This.

Can I also add that I dislike Rangers/Archers who insist on Ranging outside of Mass Cure/Heal range? I know that some of the idea of ranged combat is that you don't get hit as often, but the fact is that you do get hit.

Please stay in mass heal range of the person I've told the party I'm targeting. Please? It makes Clerics sad.

[protokon]

This.

Can I also add that I dislike Rangers/Archers who insist on Ranging outside of Mass Cure/Heal range? I know that some of the idea of ranged combat is that you don't get hit as often, but the fact is that you do get hit.

Please stay in mass heal range of the person I've told the party I'm targeting. Please? It makes Clerics sad.

repeater rogues in shroud who just stand ever so slightly out of mass cures/heal range are funny..they always wonder why they go down so fast ^^

[phalaeo]

repeater rogues in shroud who just stand ever so slightly out of mass cures/heal range are funny..they always wonder why they go down so fast ^^

I mean, maybe it's something to do with having Point Blank Shot or not... I dunno. I've never built or played a Ranger/AA/Archer type, so I really am not sure.

All I know is the Cleric's viewpoint. And from these eyes, it gets rather annoying having to interrupt the cycle of masses to throw a Heal/Scroll on the pew-pewer who isn't in range of heals, but it taking tons of damage.

Anyways, that's really off-topic, but I'm tired so I threw it in without thinking. Sorry about de-railing your thread.

[TheDearLeader]

Don't range in VoD.

Problem solved.

*OR*

If we wanted to go past novice, and move into "Intermediate" mode:

Turn Auto-Attack off.

Manyshot directly on Suulomades' back. Be ready for this stage to also involve a Shield, and 1-2 Remove Curse Pots.

After Manyshot is done, pull out your best TWF Devil beaters, beat Devil.

Vorpal Trash mobs as appropriate.

I wouldn't be mad for the archers pulling aggro - I'd be mad for them piking what, 100 of every 120 seconds?

[Angelus_dead]

All I know is your tank must have sucked if an archer was pulling aggro... unless you use epic thornlord or something

Unlike most monsters, Suulomades erases his aggro list at random intervals, making it possible for nearly anyone to pull if they're not paying attention.

[TheDearLeader]

Unlike most monsters, Suulomades erases his aggro list at random intervals, making it possible for nearly anyone to pull if they're not paying attention.

"Random Intervals" is a bit misleading.

"Every time he ports" is when the aggro list resets.

[SynnMG]

This.

Can I also add that I dislike Rangers/Archers who insist on Ranging outside of Mass Cure/Heal range? I know that some of the idea of ranged combat is that you don't get hit as often, but the fact is that you do get hit.

Please stay in mass heal range of the person I've told the party I'm targeting. Please? It makes Clerics sad.

If you ever met me playing my FvS Firstaides before I TR'ed her, You would know I have ran Epics and Raids (not together ofc when we're talking VoD because of obvious reasons) before.

Whenever trash comes rollin by, I ALWAYS try to get near the clerics for the reason of masses. Still Died though, but it's VoD.

Don't range in VoD.

Problem solved.

*OR*

If we wanted to go past novice, and move into "Intermediate" mode:

Turn Auto-Attack off.

Manyshot directly on Suulomades' back. Be ready for this stage to also involve a Shield, and 1-2 Remove Curse Pots.

After Manyshot is done, pull out your best TWF Devil beaters, beat Devil.

Vorpal Trash mobs as appropriate.

I wouldn't be mad for the archers pulling aggro - I'd be mad for them piking what, 100 of every 120 seconds?

I like Range, whats the point of being AA without your bow? It's like a man cutting of his....

Anywho: My Auto is always off, I don't use TWF, if I did carry a melee I would miss horribly, Slayer Arrows count as my Vorpal IMO, even though its not a true Vorpal.

Your an archer that doesn't carry melee weapons or shields..

Didn't deserved to get "chewed out"

But you could do with taking some advice on what the issue here is.

It was my 3rd VoD as a DPS toon.

[phalaeo]

If you ever met me playing my FvS Firstaides before I TR'ed her, You would know I have ran Epics and Raids (not together ofc when we're talking VoD because of obvious reasons) before.

Whenever trash comes rollin by, I ALWAYS try to get near the clerics for the reason of masses. Still Died though, but it's VoD.

Point taken and I apologized for de-railing your thread.

I've got a really bad headache tonight, and have had two Shrouds in as many days where I had to heal pew pews not in range, so it's fresh in my mind. Shouldn't have brought it up in your thread.

[TheDearLeader]

I like Range, whats the point of being AA without your bow? It's like a man cutting of his....

Anywho: My Auto is always off, I don't use TWF, if I did carry a melee I would miss horribly, Slayer Arrows count as my Vorpal IMO, even though its not a true Vorpal.

It was my 3rd VoD as a DPS toon.

You are new to DPS toons, yet you still throw the advice of those more experienced with them back in their face?

Good one.

Hint : If you're a BAB 20 toon, and you're missing in melee combat w/raid buffs? You're doing it wrong.

[Calebro]

whats the point of being AA? It's like a man cutting off his....

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[SynnMG]

Point taken and I apologized for de-railing your thread.

I've got a really bad headache tonight, and have had two Shrouds in as many days where I had to heal pew pews not in range, so it's fresh in my mind. Shouldn't have brought it up in your thread.

Don't worry, been having a bad luck streak here as well.

You are new to DPS toons, yet you still throw the advice of those more experienced with them back in their face?

Good one.

Hint : If you're a BAB 20 toon, and you're missing in melee combat w/raid buffs? You're doing it wrong.

I don't really see an instance here where I am advising or throwing "This is how I do it and everyone else should follow my method" in your face. Yes I mention how kiting as a ranger can negatively effect groups, but that doesn't mean it's always bad. Also, melee bores me.

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You're just upset that I play differently than the majority of DPS toons.

[Cardtrick]

I like Range, whats the point of being AA without your bow? It's like a man cutting of his....

Anywho: My Auto is always off, I don't use TWF, if I did carry a melee I would miss horribly, Slayer Arrows count as my Vorpal IMO, even though its not a true Vorpal.

It was my 3rd VoD as a DPS toon.

You seem very resistant to people who are giving you good advice.

You're a level 19 pure ranger -- a max BAB class. You *won't* miss horribly with melee weapons. You have all 3 tiers of two weapon fighting, for free, as a ranger. There's a reason for that -- you absolutely should be meleeing sometimes.

And people are right -- everyone should have a shield for those times when you end up pulling aggro and need to survive. My main character is a THF acrobat rogue, fully specced for fighting with a quarterstaff. Nevertheless, I keep a Madstone Shield and a tier 3 epic Brigand's Cutlass on him, and swap to them when I pull aggro I can't easily handle (raid boss, certain epic enemies) and I shield block for the DR when I want to shed aggro. My character isn't remotely specced for ranged fighting, but I still carry a throwing weapon -- and people would rightly call me a piker if I didn't use it when necessary (such as against the crystals blocking the fountain in part 3 of Shroud, for example).

Every character has specialties, but every character needs to be able to perform the other tasks expected of them as well, and should carry the gear to make that happen. For any melee, that means a shield -- preferably one with extra blocking DR. For any ranger, that means both a bow and a decent set of TWF weapons.

And no, Slayer Arrows are not a vorpal. They're fantastic, don't get me wrong, and they let you do some of the best possible short-term DPS when combined with Manyshot. But they're not a vorpal, and you should have one (two, actually, since you're a TWF meleer).

The way aggro works in VOD makes it one of the worst places to exclusively use ranged. Obviously, you should take advantage of your manyshot when you can -- you'd be gimping yourself if you didn't. But have a shield to be able to survive if he turns on you afterward, and strongly consider using your melee weapons afterward -- you will do more damage and be much less annoying to your groupmates in a VOD run.