Mačo - 18 Favored soul/ 2 Monk- human gtwf

[domecek1]

Hello, seriously thinking about TR into this build from this one http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=268751 . Loosing tone of sp and powerful capstone, but gain two feats, evasion and realy nice option to turn into interesting caster mode.
About dps, when soloing your dps is BB. Even WFs with epic SOS will probably killing monsters by it. So I decided to focus on DC and also took extend.
And in epic groups? What is better? Epic SOS or Epic Timeblade with DC 25 paralyse on every hit? 6% double strike is also nice thing.

Many words, lets take a look on this build.

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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Human Male
(2 Monk \ 18 Favored Soul) 
Hit Points: 307
Spell Points: 1677 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 17
Will: 23

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(34 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    20
Dexterity            14                    17
Constitution         13                    15
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom               17                    28
Charisma              8                    13

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 13
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 13
+3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 13
+3 Tome of Charisma used at level 13

Level 1 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Extend Spell
Feat: (Diety) Favored by the Sovereign Host
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 4 (Favored Soul)


Level 5 (Favored Soul)


Level 6 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell


Level 7 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire


Level 8 (Favored Soul)


Level 9 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Favored Soul)


Level 11 (Favored Soul)


Level 12 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Electricity
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Favored Soul)


Level 14 (Favored Soul)


Level 15 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Favored Soul)


Level 17 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Cold


Level 18 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 19 (Favored Soul)


Level 20 (Favored Soul)
Enhancement: Favored Soul Longsword Specialization I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Longsword Specialization II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Improved Empowering I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Improved Empowering II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Improved Empowering III
Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion IV
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wisdom I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wisdom II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness IV

STATS:
Str:
20 +6 item +1 litany +3 exc +2 rage – 32 (+2yugo +2ship – 36)
Dex:
17 +7 item +1litany +1ship – 26
Con:
15 +1 litany +2exc +6 item +2 rage – 26
Wis:
28 +1 litany +3exc +6 item – 38 +2 ocean stance – 40 (+2yugo +2ship – 44)
Char:
13 +1 litany +6item – 20


HP:
307
+105(gfl, etc...)
+120 (stat bonus)
532
+40 yugo
572

Gear:
helm::: minos
googles::: gs con op(blind, dis immun +150 sp exc)
neck::: torc / torins choker
trinket::: litany / bauble
armor::: DT robe(resistances, corrosive guard, radiance guard)
bracers::: glacier
gloves::: epic spectral (imbued fear immunity) /heal lore /bramble casters
cloak::: wretched twilight
belt::: knosts / ador clickies
boots::: gs 45 hp - wind guard / striding boots
ring 1::: encrusted +3 excp str
ring 2::: telvis +3 excp wis

wep 1::: epic Timeblade(+1 rit)
wep 2::: GS mineral longsword +2 exc con


caster mode:
staff of petitioner + ocean stance

:::::UPGRADE:::::
drop ic slash for heighten - in dps mode Min II longsword into main hand Epic Timeblade into off hand

GEAR:
helm::: Epic helm of frost(imbued +4 resists)
googles::: gs con op(blind, dis immun +150 sp exc)
neck::: torc / torins choker
trinket::: litany / bauble
armor::: DT robe(heavy fort, corrosive guard, radiance guard)
bracers::: Epic scorched bracers
gloves::: Epic event gloves(wizardry VI)
cloak::: gs hp cloak - earth grab
belt::: knots belt / ador clickies
boots::: Epic Boots of Corrosion (+1 exc char + toughness)
ring 1::: encrusted +3 excp str
ring 2::: xx tod +3 excp wis

STATS:
Str:
20 +7 item +1 litany +3 exc +2 rage +3 profane – 36(+2yugo +2ship – 40)
Char
13 +1 litany +1exc +7item – 22
rest is same

Evocation DC:
10
9 heighten
15 wis bonus
3 abishai
40 DC

Guards:
earth grab, desintigration, radiance, corrosive salt

TO-HIT:
20 BAB
13 STR
7/5 weapon
1 sorv host
3 divine favor
1 litany
1 haste
4 GH
-2 twf
-5 PA
-2 oversized
4 sneak
45/43 when sneaking self buffed (on our ship we have ship buffs for to-hit with +3 effect)

Thank you for your attention. Also would be glad for any advice and feedbacks.
Domecek

[Khellendros13]

How do you find the Epic Timeblade?

Doublestrike seems to proc a lot, 2d8 base dmg is nice, and the paralyze does work in epics. However it has no added dmg. It does look pretty badass...and have received comments referencing Greyskull from guildies.

I dumped wis on the current version of my fvs...I do miss comet falls in epic, but really...I was just casting for something to do. Things die faster now I actually melee, and I find it more engaging.

Well Epic SoS is more DPS for sure than Epic Timeblade, but it is nice to add some CC to a non held mob.

My feats are the same, except Empower Heal instead of Empower, and no Extend (dropped for PA and do not regret it at all).

Interesting build and looks useful in any quest - Good hp, very high saves, CC or DPS and all the healing u need for epics/raids

[domecek1]

How do you find the Epic Timeblade?

Doublestrike seems to proc a lot, 2d8 base dmg is nice, and the paralyze does work in epics. However it has no added dmg. It does look pretty badass...and have received comments referencing Greyskull from guildies.

I dumped wis on the current version of my fvs...I do miss comet falls in epic, but really...I was just casting for something to do. Things die faster now I actually melee, and I find it more engaging.

Well Epic SoS is more DPS for sure than Epic Timeblade, but it is nice to add some CC to a non held mob.

My feats are the same, except Empower Heal instead of Empower, and no Extend (dropped for PA and do not regret it at all).

Interesting build and looks useful in any quest - Good hp, very high saves, CC or DPS and all the healing u need for epics/raids

Yeah, even mineral or lit2 longsword is better dps weapon than epic Timeblade, but this CC ability making this weapon much better for me.

About Empover x Empover Heal - empover affects mass cures but no heal and mass heal, but mainly it incerase BB damage. Healed epic VON6 in two, epic DQ2 in two and yesterday my firsth epic chrono in two (second healer even DC´d for bank fight) without empover heal, and dont feel needs to use empover heal. I think, just empover spell for mass cures is enough.

About dumping wisdom. My next goal is to solo some epics, but without DC for BBs and without extend it is very annoying. Already have pure FvS without wis and tried to solo some epics and it sucks. So decided for wis based build, which is able to have only 6 points lower str than str based and thats only loose in dps for this build. But in many situations I am only healbot, who standing in safe position from where I can control situation.

Its about play style again. If you rly want to smash things, than do sirgogs build or do str based this build with dump wis and dual lit2 longswords.

Thanks for comment, Sir.

[AtomicMew]

I'm playing a similar build, except with a melee focus and Half-elf for saves. I plan on taking whirling steel strike too when I get out of lowbie land. Elemental strikes and 2.5% DS bonus seems like it'll add quite a bit of DPS. Too good to pass up IMO.

[Calebro]

The monk splash builds are generally reserved for the elves from a min-max point of view. The Sov capstone is just too good. The Undying capstone sucks, which is why a monk splash works well for the scimmy users.
But free unlimited healing?
Free maximized empowered quickened superior potencied cure light wounds, all day long? That's worth more than 2 feats and evasion. A LOT more.

[domecek1]

The monk splash builds are generally reserved for the elves from a min-max point of view. The Sov capstone is just too good. The Undying capstone sucks, which is why a monk splash works well for the scimmy users.
But free unlimited healing?
Free maximized empowered quickened superior potencied cure light wounds, all day long? That's worth more than 2 feats and evasion. A LOT more.

Man, I thought it too... When soloing, torc+con op do all spells free.

[domecek1]

I'm playing a similar build, except with a melee focus and Half-elf for saves. I plan on taking whirling steel strike too when I get out of lowbie land. Elemental strikes and 2.5% DS bonus seems like it'll add quite a bit of DPS. Too good to pass up IMO.

But you need two feats for it. Btw, if you want dps, turn into sun stance instead of wind. But good idea for str based build.:/ But isnt better to stay pure then? then it is only whirl strike + evasion against 10/xx DR and much more spell points.

[r3dl4nce]

Why spending 5 feats for melee when you are not melee focused? If you are REALLY interested in doing melee dps, switch to elf with scimitars or go khopeshes with human, longsword are low dps, full STR with all level ups in STR. If you are not interested in doing dps (with your low str and low tohit, hitting bosses in epic will be impossibile) just stay pure and use a GS greataxe to make a little support dps

[krtkoo]

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[domecek1]

Why spending 5 feats for melee when you are not melee focused? If you are REALLY interested in doing melee dps, switch to elf with scimitars or go khopeshes with human, longsword are low dps, full STR with all level ups in STR. If you are not interested in doing dps (with your low str and low tohit, hitting bosses in epic will be impossibile) just stay pure and use a GS greataxe to make a little support dps

About khopesh x long sword - you gain +1 to-hit with long sword and +4 dmg + free feat
khopesh - no free feat, less non crit dmg, but better crits.

With my playstyle, ill fighting non held mobs in epics because of epic Timeblade, so ill need good to-hit and also best possible non crit dmg. Mb with double epic chaos blades i should change it, but it is completely impossible to get them.

About full str build - full str build will have only 6 points higher str.

Also, where I should spend this 5 feats if not into combat? Only thinking about heighten instead of IC slash, but the rest? Greater spell pen? evoc bonuses? power healing spell? why? For which spells? BB and comet fall?
I need high DC only for BB and still want to have good melee dps (good, not fighters or barbarians dps, just good is enough). I see it like only way for me.

Btw, without wis focus I would TR into Angel of Battle again.

[AtomicMew]

But you need two feats for it. Btw, if you want dps, turn into sun stance instead of wind. But good idea for str based build.:/ But isnt better to stay pure then? then it is only whirl strike + evasion against 10/xx DR and much more spell points.

I plan on using dual min II's, so I don't need IC: Slash and I'd only need 1 extra feat. For that purpose, I can drop maximize. Consider these two different setups:

GTWF
Weapon Focus: Slashing
Whirling Steel Strike
2.5% double strike, elemental strikes
Dual Min II's

vs.

GTWF
IC: Slash
Power Attack
The best longswords you can find in the game. (e.g., current setup)

Which setup will do more DPS? I think 99% of the time for 99% of people it will be the first setup... not to mention you'd have +6 to hit. Unless you can find longswords that are significantly better than min II's, I think WSS is worth it.

[Calebro]

I plan on using dual min II's, so I don't need IC: Slash and I'd only need 1 extra feat. For that purpose, I can drop maximize. Consider these two different setups:

GTWF
Weapon Focus: Slashing
Whirling Steel Strike
2.5% double strike, elemental strikes
Dual Min II's

vs.

GTWF
IC: Slash
Power Attack
The best longswords you can find in the game. (e.g., current setup)

Which setup will do more DPS? I think 99% of the time for 99% of people it will be the first setup... not to mention you'd have +6 to hit. Unless you can find longswords that are significantly better than min II's, I think WSS is worth it.

You think WSS offers more of a DPS boost than IC:s and PA combined?
You're out of your mind.
WSS is a trap. It's for Fighters with a monk splash that have nothing better to do with the 900 feats they get. It isn't for melee able FvSs that are already too short of feats.
WSS is a trap for the majority of toons, and apparently one that you fell into.

[domecek1]

big upgrade coming soon, guys.

[domecek1]

You think WSS offers more of a DPS boost than IC:s and PA combined?
You're out of your mind.
WSS is a trap. It's for Fighters with a monk splash that have nothing better to do with the 900 feats they get. It isn't for melee able FvSs that are already too short of feats.
WSS is a trap for the majority of toons, and apparently one that you fell into.

Thank you.

[AtomicMew]

You think WSS offers more of a DPS boost than IC:s and PA combined?
You're out of your mind.
WSS is a trap. It's for Fighters with a monk splash that have nothing better to do with the 900 feats they get. It isn't for melee able FvSs that are already too short of feats.
WSS is a trap for the majority of toons, and apparently one that you fell into.

Um.. yeah less condescension please, especially since you didn't even take the time to actually think about what I was saying.

The comparison is not between plain WSS longswords and IC/PA plain longswords alone. There are a significant amount of other factors involved that make it not very clear.

For one, IC doesn't matter because Min II's are keen. Elemental strikes and dual strikes more than cover the damage loss from PA. If both setups use dual min II's, the WSS setup beats the second setup in every possible case. E.g., it's strictly superior.

The advantage of non-WSS longswords is the ability to use longswords that are not min II/keen without significant damage loss. What longswords are significantly better than min II's that have an ML of 12? Lit II's are only situationally better, but that means having 4 GS instead of just 2, and even then, since it is situational, the WSS setup will still be superior some of the time.

[Khellendros13]

Man, I thought it too... When soloing, torc+con op do all spells free.

Yea I solo'd Sins Elite last night in 38 mins....stayed above 1500sp most of the time.

The Healing capstone is awesome, but I only miss it for healing in ToD. My survival and the fun I have with this toon have magnified.

If you are a sucky healer, Healing Word is not gonna stop you from sucking.

If you are a healbot...add some melee capability and enjoy the class again

[Calebro]

Um.. yeah less condescension please, especially since you didn't even take the time to actually think about what I was saying.

I understand what you're saying. I absolutely disagree.

The comparison is not between plain WSS longswords and IC/PA plain longswords alone. There are a significant amount of other factors involved that make it not very clear.

For one, IC doesn't matter because Min II's are keen.

You can't compare the builds with one having Min2s and the other without. They need to be equal.
Ignore the fact that he said he would prefer other weapons and comp[are them equally for a moment.

Elemental strikes and dual strikes more than cover the damage loss from PA. If both setups use dual min II's, the WSS setup beats the second setup in every possible case. E.g., it's strictly superior.

Assuming you *never* changed weapon sets, elemental strikes and double strike procs *might* cover the difference. I'd have to do the math on how much DPS was base, then add 2.5% into it.
PA is +5 damage every strike. Elemental strikes are 1-6, average 3.5, on SOME strikes. You can't fire them on every single attack. They have a cooldown, and are limited by Ki.
Even assuming that you *could* add an elemantal strike to every single attack, which you can't, you'd have to figure out how much that -1.5 per strike affects your overall DPS and see if it was less than the 2.5% that double strike would add. It becomes much more complicated when you take into account that those elemental strikes do *not* affect every attack.

What longswords are significantly better than min II's that have an ML of 12? Lit II's are only situationally better, but that means having 4 GS instead of just 2, and even then, since it is situational, the WSS setup will still be superior some of the time.

Lit2s are better. Especially if you have IC for that weapon type. I'm not sure why you think Min2s are higher DPS than Lit2s, but you're wrong.
The correct sentence would have been: Min2s are situationally better than Lit2s. Those situations being boss fights.

The advantage of non-WSS longswords is the ability to use longswords that are not min II/keen without significant damage loss.

Again, wrong. The advantage of the PA/IC build is the one that benefits from using ANY longsword. Remember, your build sacrifices IC and PA, so it's damage with other longswords is affected MUCH more than the build that has those feats.

So in the long run, you ace sacrificing two very important feats to gain what would only be an extremely marginal boost, if there was any at all, and you are forced to use only one weapon set to keep those numbers. When you use different weapons, your DPS goes down the tubes in comparison.

So I say again, WSS is a trap. It's for Fighters with a monk splash that have nothing better to do with the 900 feats they get. It isn't for melee capable FvSs that are already too short of feats.

[domecek1]

Yea I solo'd Sins Elite last night in 38 mins....stayed above 1500sp most of the time.

The Healing capstone is awesome, but I only miss it for healing in ToD. My survival and the fun I have with this toon have magnified.

If you are a sucky healer, Healing Word is not gonna stop you from sucking.

If you are a healbot...add some melee capability and enjoy the class again

Yeah, now talking true experiences. Btw, 2level splash decrease sp for 250. I can live with this. It is one big pot. If ill need it, I have over 200 these pots and rly dont know, what can I do with them now.:P

[Steveohio]

I agree about the comments regarding WSS.

Utterly horrible craptastic on a melee soul.

I have a heavy splash Clonk 15cler/3monk/2ftr human.
This allowed me to take all the needed feats for twf, as well as healing, max BB,
It presents a massive investment on feats.

A heavily splashed FVS giving up that many levels to pickup WSS present many problems.

First of all. Longswords are horrible damage.

A 2 level splash of monk automatically makes fists better than longswords due to attack speed and offhand str bonuses, add in ToD rings with multiple bursting effects, you get the idea. Refer to monk forums for info/numbers on this subject.

#2 all your getting is weak elemental strikes, and +2str from stance. If your taking monk for the feats, evasion, saves, wis bonuses, I can see the point.

However in order to really maximize even bothering to stay centered, you want to take 3 monk levels for healing ki and fists of light. This means you have to be max 17 fvs. Loss of level 9 spells. Its not so bad, I have builds that excell in epic content without mass heal.

[AtomicMew]

I understand what you're saying. I absolutely disagree.

You can't compare the builds with one having Min2s and the other without. They need to be equal.
Ignore the fact that he said he would prefer other weapons and comp[are them equally for a moment.

Lots of misunderstanding here. Not sure where the breakdown in communication is. You say I should compare both setups both having min II's, but that is exactly what I'm doing: when both setups use dual min II's, the WSS setup is simply flat out better. You are looking at +6 AB/~3-4 dmg vs. +5 dmg. I know which setup I would choose if I were using dual min II's (which I am).

Lit2s are better. Especially if you have IC for that weapon type. I'm not sure why you think Min2s are higher DPS than Lit2s, but you're wrong.
The correct sentence would have been: Min2s are situationally better than Lit2s.

The "correct" sentence is semantically equivalent to the statement you're disagreeing with. If min II's are situationally better than lit II, then lit II's are situationally better than min II's.

Again, wrong. The advantage of the PA/IC build is the one that benefits from using ANY longsword.

Again, that's EXACTLY what I said. PA/IC can move away from min II's without loss. That's an advantage, yes.



@Steve: Not disagreeing with you that fists are more DPS.... I absolutely know that fists are more DPS at end game, but what about for mid levels? Greensteels are available at level 12 whereas ToD rings are level 18. For my TR, I'm more worried about leveling up. For raids, it doesn't really matter. For epics, I'll probably be using Shadow Staff anyway.