It happened on Argo™

[twix]

Hey Stone Remember that time when you Diplo killed me in TR over and over doesn't that count as griefing?

That definitely counts as funny.Especially since we were both rogues Someone had to take agro.It just happened to be you because we were two manning.

[Nyvn]

So casters who don't cast Break Enchantment to remove Fogs and Sleet Storm, and two bards were unable to heal a raid I've solo healed on my ranger?

Really I'd say your problem wasn't that someone cast Sleet storm, it's that you had poor quality players in the raid.

[Krag]

So casters who don't cast Break Enchantment to remove Fogs and Sleet Storm, and two bards were unable to heal a raid I've solo healed on my ranger?

Really I'd say your problem wasn't that someone cast Sleet storm, it's that you had poor quality players in the raid. Because you obviously need best quality players to beat Reaver

fixed

[dormetheus]

fixed

Not really, you pretty much just "need" casters, of which we were on short supply. I was wand whipping on my ranger splash, but it was becoming pretty pointless when I noticed casters weren't pulling the ellies away and firewalling them.

[Nospheratus]

So casters who don't cast Break Enchantment to remove Fogs and Sleet Storm, and two bards were unable to heal a raid I've solo healed on my ranger?

Really I'd say your problem wasn't that someone cast Sleet storm, it's that you had poor quality players in the raid.

I have solo-healed it with my cleric!



oh wait...

[Spisey]

Real casters solo Reaver.

This

I'm sure that the strategies that I use to solo Reaver would be considered griefing to the right person.

Thus why I stopped partying with failure

Solo raids ftw, only you are responsible for your screw ups then!

[Glenalth]

Solo reavers that I'm aware of...

Wizard
Sorcerer
Favored Soul
Cleric
Ranger (Arcane Archer)

Anything else?

[MeToo]

From all accounts, it seems like the initial sleetstorm was a minor inconsiderate act in a PUG raid. I'd probably let the OP into my PUGs if they gave a real apology for wasting others' time. As it is, this is an extremely quick raid to exit and regroup for so even though I wouldn't have messed around in a non-guild raid, the damage done was hopefully minimal.

I am a bit confused about why it didn't complete though...

1) That room is huge so sleetstorm shouldn't cover all of it, right? Cast FWs outside it and move away from that area until it clears or you dispel it with break enchantment. No rangers to buff others with freedom of movement in that group either? It's a great spell. Don't leave home without it.

2) Unfortunately, Otto's Sphere of Dancing does little good in there because the devs have given those air eles high resistance to enchantment. The old standard disco inferno was making it too easy to handle them I guess.

3) No need to call out the bards for poor healing. At least they were willing to try and go with what they had. Area effects adding confusion or not, the servers have been super laggy lately and anything that causes the group to scatter can make keeping everyone up inefficient for even a heal specced cleric or favored soul.

4) I'm assuming you're not WF since with unlimited mana from the static charge, you might have self healed and completed the raid as many arcanes do. Penalty box denizens can then use the rez shrines at the chests afterward and everyone still gets their shot at raid loot.

5) If the puzzle is a problem for you, you can bone up by practicing your Mastermind skills ahead of time. I like to use the trainer here http://globalsoftware-inc.com/harncw...ner%20DDO.html

Happy Adventuring!

[dormetheus]

Guildie said he solos it pretty easy on his cleric/monk/rogue.

I understand it's not always the best to solo if you're looking for a certain drop. I figure at 20, though, you're just looking for completions and tomes.

[Yajerman01]

As soon as people started dropping

People were dying in Reaver?... Im sorry, im confused now.

[Jonny_D]

i would ask why:

1) the group didnt move - leaders fault/inexperience leading a raid
2) no one cast break enchantment - bards and rangers slacking
3) why the OP would make thread like this when he didnt finish the raid solo on his caster - weak caster skills by the OP.

the real crime here is not finishing the raid on the OP's part. If you wanna be "funny" atleast back it up with adquate skill playimg the game then you can be as funny as you want and noone will care

[Coldest]

J$, hey bro. Hopped on Argo 2 ago to say hi. Saw 1 Ransacked on. He said you hadn't been on in two weeks.

Cut the slackfest.

[SINIBYTE]

the real crime here is not finishing the raid on the OP's part.

Screw that - that means doing a puzzle!

[Irinis]

Ya noob!*

*disclaimer: I have NEVER done anything noobish ever in my entire gaming history**

**If you believe that then Half-Elves will be coming out in Update 7!

Um... ok... apparently I have "NEVER done anything noobish ever" in my entire gaming history, because WE'RE GETTING HALF-ELVES IN UPDATE 7!

That'll teach me to joke around.

[Mr_Ed7]

Sounds like it was meant for fun, and did not turn out so.

After a brief apology, party should have reformed WITH the caster and just redone.

Sounds like a bit of an overreaction on the party.

Additionally, I prefer clerics over bards for healing purposes.

[Irinis]

Sounds like it was meant for fun, and did not turn out so.

After a brief apology, party should have reformed WITH the caster and just redone.

Sounds like a bit of an overreaction on the party.

Additionally, I prefer clerics over bards for healing purposes.

I prefer clerics over bards for raising purposes. Also deathward. Also heavy healing load quests like certain epics. But this apparently was a Reaver. A Rogue with UMD could probably solo heal Reaver!

[Solmage]

Real casters solo Reaver.

This is true. But only from level 12 onwards.

So out of 12 people, nobody could kill elementals without firewalls, nobody could break enchant, nobody could heal, ...yeah ok. The wipe was clearly caused by one sleet storm. Heh.

If you have lag from spells being cast....FIX YOUR COMPUTER.

If you see lag when you see aoe's.....the problem is on your end.

You get lag from these spells, it's time to upgrade away from the 486 and stop griefing casters for using perfectly viable spells.

[Tobril]

Solo reavers that I'm aware of...

Wizard
Sorcerer
Favored Soul
Cleric
Ranger (Arcane Archer)

Anything else?

My 15/3/2 paladin/monk/rogue has done it several times via pure melee.

Why people think they need anything class-wise for this quest is beyond me.


OP, next time people complain about lag tell them to check their connection speed at http://www.imafreakinn00b.com.

[IgorUnchained]

I have one last thought about this whole issue and the reaction of the people within.

The reaction of the party is the exact reason more and more guilds and LFM's are becoming "exclusive". They don't want to deal with this type of attitude or player.

Before the advent of f2p and the influx of new players a situation like this would have been laughed off and everyone would have just ran it again.

Now all of the sudden it's "greifing". Give me a break people. Mistakes happen, move on, relax, get over yourselves.

His ACTIONS certainly qualify as griefing...even if his INTENTIONS were less intentional.

If you all knew the intentions of the people who you hated, maybe you would like them better....but you probably go by the actions of the person. If not, then how could you dislike noobs or mess with Korthos Army?

AWESOME to have it both ways, Im sure.
If you want to judge others by the seat of your pants, that is all gravy with me.....but dont write 3 posts telling us to do it too. We can judge just fine for ourselves (and every bit as logically and consistently as you, obviously).

[SINIBYTE]