It happened on Argo™

[SINIBYTE]

[*]Acid and Solid Fog spells not slowing enemies down. Celebrate by blanketing every quest you run for the next month with fog spells. If your party members can find their way to a mob, you aren't doing enough. Feel free to supplement with Mind Fog, Disco Ball, Glitterdust, and other spells.

heh, you just reminded me of a Reaver I was in the other day... Group was slow to fill and even slower to start. The Raid Leader decided that a multiclass non-capped bard would heal the entire raid. I was fine with it since I've run Reaver without any heals at all... so whatever.

While waiting I tossed up some disco balls, and for shiggles Sleet Storm (Sleet Storm is the new grease). I had accidentally extended it. Oops. I danced in my disco, others did too. Finally we started the raid, so I tossed out some Cloudkills since my stupid sleet storm was extinguishing my fire walls when the ele's came. No big loss. Suddenly 1 person dies... then another then another... we're down to like half the people.

The bard shouts over the mic "I couldn't heal because of the lag because that guy griefed us!". Mmmm ok. Whatever. One of the dead says "Looks like we have a griefer in our group!". Next thing you know everyone starts spattering all sorts of **** over the mic and in chat... about how I caused lag intentionally to cause a wipe...

My sleet storm finally went away and I drops some massive FWs - Ele's are dying away, piece o cake. I've 6 manned Reaver, so I figured we'd be fine. One by one the survivors of my "griefing" start recalling, calling me all sorts of names... And there I was... Alone. With the Reaver. I proceeded to practice my "tanking" and "kiting" skills, and finally Teleported myself out.

When I popped out they had a new LFM up specifically calling me out as a griefer (think that might be against the TOS, bud). I lolled. I put up my own LFM and instead was instantly invited by another Reaver raid forming outside the door.

We went in, I disco'd, I danced, I sleet stormed everyone for shiggles, we laughed as I fell on my ass. We danced, we laughed, we finished. Good times.

Moral of the story:

Don't Sleet Storm and Cloudkill in raids it'll make bards not able to heal causing a wipe.

It happened on Argo™

[twix]

While i like to have fun and giggle a bit the whole grease/sleet storm/glitterdust/hypnotic sphere **** is just not as funny as it used to be.Its not funny to not be able to see anything thats going on.Its not funny to be so lagged out you cant move because some ****** wont stop spamming the same spell over and over and over.

To me that is griefing.The people that are looking for laughs know when and where it would be funny for these spells.Greasing someone into the traps in pre raid for titan.An oldie but a goodie.Greasing someone off the top of von 6 another oldie but a goodie.There are many many perfect spots to grease/dance/what ever else ya got in this game.Just spamming these spells is annoying and silly and a waste of everyones time.

If you were lagging people out you should have stopped since you didnt thats griefing sorry.

[Katarrah]

While i like to have fun and giggle a bit the whole grease/sleet storm/glitterdust/hypnotic sphere **** is just not as funny as it used to be.Its not funny to not be able to see anything thats going on.Its not funny to be so lagged out you cant move because some ****** wont stop spamming the same spell over and over and over.

To me that is griefing.The people that are looking for laughs know when and where it would be funny for these spells.Greasing someone into the traps in pre raid for titan.An oldie but a goodie.Greasing someone off the top of von 6 another oldie but a goodie.There are many many perfect spots to grease/dance/what ever else ya got in this game.Just spamming these spells is annoying and silly and a waste of everyones time.

If you were lagging people out you should have stopped since you didnt thats griefing sorry.

Hey Stone Remember that time when you Diplo killed me in TR over and over doesn't that count as griefing?

[Osharan_Tregarth]

Hey Stone Remember that time when you Diplo killed me in TR over and over doesn't that count as griefing?

naw.. That just counts as FUNNY!



Just as an add-on. I'm the reason for at least two people maxing their intimidate skill after being constantly diplo killed by me in various quests...

[dormetheus]

1. It wasn't clear that it was a mistake as Sin had made no statement or gesture to this effect. The exchange of tells between us only consisted of, what seemed to me, bragging that his raid group was filling and finishing faster.

2. I had already pugged reaver once before this incident, and it failed as well. I was in a bad mood listening to my party griping and whining. I agree, the bard/cleric was overreacting, but she wasn't the only one to die an early death to the sleet storm problem.

3. I'm all for a good greasing/sleeting when the time is right. Sin could have mentioned that he accidentally Extended the sleet, but he didn't, and it caused unnecessary headache.

4. Sending a tell to the other raid leader seemed like the responsible thing to do. I do not know Sin (as apparently so many of you do), and felt that if he was in fact some random griefer (and I had no evidence to the contrary) that the other raid leader would want to know.

5. It IS fairly common knowledge that multiple cloud effects and dancing sphere cause a lot of people a lot of lag. The bard/cleric was healing ok until she died. Maybe she has a crappy machine.

6. Honestly, I moved on, reformed, completed, got my madstone boots, and chalked it all up to an annoying misunderstanding. Then I saw this post here.

Basically, I forgot about it instantly. It's one of the random dangers of PuG-ing. That kind of behavior is all well and good in a group that knows each other (guild/exclusive/static), NOT in a group that's short on heals in the first place.

I'm sorry if I don't have the popular opinion here.

Sin: Reading your OP, I see somewhat where you're coming from, but there's no reason to make me out to look like a ******bag. At a certain point, I just want my completion/loot and to move on.

You weren't aware of my situation, and I wasn't aware of yours. I look forward to grouping with you in the future as you seem like a generally good-natured kind of guy.

[Darwinnon]

Oh yeah those disco balls and sleet storms and grease are just SO hilarious...

It just makes me laugh again and again and again and again and again - every single time some 12 year old decides to use em...

Grow up - it wasn't even that funny the FIRST time I saw it...

[Veriden]

Sin: Reading your OP, I see somewhat where you're coming from, but there's no reason to make me out to look like a ******bag. At a certain point, I just want my completion/loot and to move on.

Quoting a scene from over the hedge.

The gang sitting there watching dr phil or something on the outdoor tv in the woods

"If you feel like a dirt bag Kevin, its because you are a dirt bag."

Personally...I think you're over reacting as a party leader. The reaver raid takes 15 minutes at the longest. You'll live just fine with 15 minutes of your life gone truly, you will. We still have two years to go before the world dies or some such. Personally if he did this stuff in a raid I led yeah, I might be miffed but if he explained himself as he just did, I'd laugh too.

Feeling like the bad guy is your own fault for poor communication.

[Astraghal]

Question: Can the air eles in reaver raid be banished?

Edit - With a weapon that has the 'banishing' permutation?

[twix]

Hey Stone Remember that time when you Diplo killed me in TR over and over doesn't that count as griefing?

That definitely counts as funny.Especially since we were both rogues Someone had to take agro.It just happened to be you because we were two manning.

[Nyvn]

So casters who don't cast Break Enchantment to remove Fogs and Sleet Storm, and two bards were unable to heal a raid I've solo healed on my ranger?

Really I'd say your problem wasn't that someone cast Sleet storm, it's that you had poor quality players in the raid.

[Krag]

So casters who don't cast Break Enchantment to remove Fogs and Sleet Storm, and two bards were unable to heal a raid I've solo healed on my ranger?

Really I'd say your problem wasn't that someone cast Sleet storm, it's that you had poor quality players in the raid. Because you obviously need best quality players to beat Reaver

fixed

[Nospheratus]

So casters who don't cast Break Enchantment to remove Fogs and Sleet Storm, and two bards were unable to heal a raid I've solo healed on my ranger?

Really I'd say your problem wasn't that someone cast Sleet storm, it's that you had poor quality players in the raid.

I have solo-healed it with my cleric!



oh wait...

[SINIBYTE]

[ArloOne]

I like you Sini. Generally, good forum persona. I personally have a wife and 2 boy ages 4 and 2. I have been playing for years. My time playing is well managed, so as to not make the natives restless(meaning my family). If I had been in that group, I would have been pretty ticked off with your behavior. It is a PUG group as far as I understand it. To me, that means you are definetly taking your chances as it is, typicaly those types of actions are acceptable with a group of regular buds and people you know. Sometimes though, for instance in my case, that 10-15 minutes you wasted of mine would be considered bad form.

When I lead a Shroud, I will only pug out 2-3 spots, knowing my group of friends knows what they are doing and can take up the slack. It most pugs with people I don't know, I would like it to be straight forward and as successful as possible.

If what you did was an accident...ok understandable, but that shiznity don't fly with me.

[Gol]

I proceeded to practice my "tanking" and "kiting" skills, and finally Teleported myself out.

Real casters solo Reaver.

[KoboldKiller]

I think some of you missed the part where he said he had "accidentally" extended the sleet storm. Nor did it say he was spamming it after it finally went away.

This was a simple mistake and the other people in the PuG overreacted.


For the record I have hit auto run TWICE in the Hound causing a wipe.

Nobody called me out for greifing. n00b was the most common word used LOL.

[KoboldKiller]

Also thanks for the laugh.

In my mind I imagined a scene like in a movie with everyone pointing at you yelling "greifer". Something like Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

[Irinis]

Ya noob!*

*disclaimer: I have NEVER done anything noobish ever in my entire gaming history**

**If you believe that then Half-Elves will be coming out in Update 7!

[twix]

An accident is funny Ive had a few doozies myself.If it was unintentional and you let the group know this then they didnt have a right to call you a griefer at all.

[LordPiglet]

Ya noob!*

*disclaimer: I have NEVER done anything noobish ever in my entire gaming history**

**If you believe that then Half-Elves will be coming out in Update 7!

**** yeah, about time for Half-Elves