True Paladin

[Mr_Ed7]

How about a true Paladin that fights and heals...while shield-blocking the door.

A Paladin should be a defensive fighter who can enable the team by playing junior cleric.

So far my Pally is set-up for cure moderate wounds, raise dead, 3 Lay of Hands, cure disease, lesser restoration and more.

Why build intima-paladins and tempest-paladins?

There are enough 2 weapon psychos on the server to the killing...

[cluedout]

How about a true Paladin that fights and heals...while shield-blocking the door.

A Paladin should be a defensive fighter who can enable the team by playing junior cleric.

So far my Pally is set-up for cure moderate wounds, raise dead, 3 Lay of Hands, cure disease, lesser restoration and more.

Why build intima-paladins and tempest-paladins?

There are enough 2 weapon psychos on the server to the killing...

because there are clerics to do that job and there can never be enough "2 weapon psychos on the server to the killing"

have a good day and re-roll ur paly into a TWF psycho

[Dexxaan]

If you have no Intimidate...tough chance "holding the door".

If your Concentration isn't in the 40+'s good luck healing yourself or others in melee.

If your DPS isn't significant....good luck clearing the door.

Basically,

Pure Paladin & Healing Specc'd? = Buy a ton of $ 0.90 Mod 9 Auto-Rez Pots.

[Ralmeth]

For a S&B defensive Pally, which is what I play as my main, you really will want intimidate so you can grab aggro. You also still want to retain some level of DPS. IMHO you will want to go Pally 18, with a splash into Fighter and/or Rogue for 1-2 levels of each (i.e. Fighter 2, Rogue 2 or Fighter 1 / Rogue 1). Yes, you will lose out on some DPS by not going pure, but then you wanted to play a Defensive Paladin.

[Mr_Ed7]

If you have no Intimidate...tough chance "holding the door".

If your Concentration isn't in the 40+'s good luck healing yourself or others in melee.

If your DPS isn't significant....good luck clearing the door.

Basically,

Pure Paladin & Healing Specc'd? = Buy a ton of $ 0.90 Mod 9 Auto-Rez Pots.

Holding the door can be physically done with but a shield...holding the hall would require intimidate...

and apparently intimidate is not encouraged by Paladins hence the double-point cost, so I steared clear of that, besides there are fighters and barbarians who can fill that niche.

A Concentration of 40+! Never heard of the need for this! Sure about that?

[Mr_Ed7]

For a S&B defensive Pally, which is what I play as my main, you really will want intimidate so you can grab aggro. You also still want to retain some level of DPS. IMHO you will want to go Pally 18, with a splash into Fighter and/or Rogue for 1-2 levels of each (i.e. Fighter 2, Rogue 2 or Fighter 1 / Rogue 1). Yes, you will lose out on some DPS by not going pure, but then you wanted to play a Defensive Paladin.

Sorry I am pure Paladin...Old School Player!

[MDS_Geist]

Sorry I am pure Paladin...Old School Player!

As am I, but DDO isn't set up for traditional PnP gameplay.
You can still play a pure paladin, but bear in mind that you're going to have to more or less specialize or you could be a detriment to your group is high level content. A well built (for DDO) paladin can be a tremendous asset to a group and a tremendous amount of fun to play, and the new prestige enhancemnets will give some solid options.

[Dexxaan]

Holding the door can be physically done with but a shield...holding the hall would require intimidate...

You won`t be there too long since:

A) 1/2 a Dozen Mobs are beating on you (Because you are holding the door...or are you expecting someone else to aggro and just be a mere Shield-Toting inconvenience?)

B) As this 1/2 dozen Mobs you are holding off strike you (and they will) you will need to heal yourself and if you get wacked by an angry X or Y Mob then your Spellcasting success depends directly on your Concentration skill (or Quicken which Paladins can`t really afford...)...hence it`s importance to BattleClerics (You guys rock) and Healing-Paladins (***shivers)

C) Your healing focus will cost you in the DPS department and therefore the aforementioned 1/2 dozen mobs will be there for a while....making your predictably short lifespan.... shorter.

and apparently intimidate is not encouraged by Paladins hence the double-point cost, so I steared clear of that, besides there are fighters and barbarians who can fill that niche.

A Concentration of 40+! Never heard of the need for this! Sure about that?

Survival Notes in Yellow.


Go Bastard Paladins!!

[Mr_Ed7]

Survival Notes in Yellow.


Go Bastard Paladins!!

Your 40+ score is but an exaggeration I am assuming. We are not talking about a hypothetical situation, I have shield-blocked the door, and I have healed.

Agro should not be a problem, because typically there will be other characters who will fill that notch. A shield-toting inconvience is another exaggeration, because as I mentioned there will be others who were advised on how to make their characters, and they will be doing as you suggested...

but thanks for helping to survive!

[Mr_Ed7]

As am I, but DDO isn't set up for traditional PnP gameplay.
You can still play a pure paladin, but bear in mind that you're going to have to more or less specialize or you could be a detriment to your group is high level content. A well built (for DDO) paladin can be a tremendous asset to a group and a tremendous amount of fun to play, and the new prestige enhancemnets will give some solid options.

Yes my specialization will be a fighting-healing Paladin, seems to be working thus far and I expect it too in the future.

What form of specializing are you referring too, my buddy is going to specialize in a turning Paladin...

[Valezra]

Holding the door can be physically done with but a shield...holding the hall would require intimidate...

and apparently intimidate is not encouraged by Paladins hence the double-point cost, so I steared clear of that, besides there are fighters and barbarians who can fill that niche.

A Concentration of 40+! Never heard of the need for this! Sure about that?

Play end game.

Val

[Minor_Threat]

cool story, bro.

[Mr_Ed7]

Play end game.

Val

Perhaps a tad more on the details department...

[Mr_Ed7]

cool story, bro.

Insert nervous laugh here...

[Mr_Ed7]

It seems like a healing & fighting path seems the direction they are pointing in for the Paladins, intimidate seems to be something that the game does not encourage for Paladins.

In which case I am doing everything right...

[Dexxaan]

Your 40+ score is but an exaggeration I am assuming. We are not talking about a hypothetical situation, I have shield-blocked the door, and I have healed.

Agro should not be a problem, because typically there will be other characters who will fill that notch. A shield-toting inconvience is another exaggeration, because as I mentioned there will be others who were advised on how to make their characters, and they will be doing as you suggested...

but thanks for helping to survive!

Just for sake of clarity.....in a typical 1 Rogue, 1 Caster 1 Cleric and 3 Melee Type Party......(I`m considering you Melee btw)

You are blocking the door (Shieldblocking) while 2 others behind you (Melee # 2 and Rogue I`m assuming?) go at em.

Caster and Cleric (squishies # 2 & 3 - Rogue being # 1) do their thing and you all walk away into the sunset?

If this is correct then yes you are a "Self Healing Shield-Toting, Door Blocking Inconvenience"...... tough pill to swallow IMO.

[Valezra]

To point out though why so many of us 'poo-poo' the idea of a healing S&B paladin is because at level 16 and beyond your Cure Serious Wounds for 50-75 hitpoints and your tiny spell point pool won't even come close to comparing to just one Cleric's Heal for 300+ hitpoints. Honestly, you could fill the niche you want better by taking rogue at level 1 and upping UMD thus being able to use Heal Scrolls.

What you want is a well rounded tank and backup healer. I really do get that. But what you will end up with at level 16 is a Paladin that does S&B level damage, not enough Action Points in DPS enhancements, no intimidate (there is no "holding the door" in 90% of the game past level 10), and puny heals (almost any bard/rogue mix or sorcerer can all use Heal scrolls and thus outheal you). No one wants a low dps non-tank non-healer in their party or raid group. If you want to go pure paladin I CAN suggest some fun build alternatives.

Val

[Dexxaan]

Yes my specialization will be a fighting-healing Paladin, seems to be working thus far and I expect it too in the future.

What form of specializing are you referring too, my buddy is going to specialize in a turning Paladin...

Running with your Door Holding Healing Paladin? I would too. Specialized in "Turning & Running" (....some Ranger boosts FTW!)


Sry. Mr Ed.....but I´m procrastinating at work and your thread topic is just a delicious morsel for a hungry man.

[KoboldKiller]

Maybe I'm a bit confused but I had a s&b pure elven longsword Paladin capped at 14 and I had zero issues with contributing DPS to the party.

[Valezra]

Maybe I'm a bit confused but I had a s&b pure elven longsword Paladin capped at 14 and I had zero issues with contributing DPS to the party.

A sorcerer swinging away with their Spell Pen and Potency scepters can contribute to DPS.

Val