new gold dice roll item lesser elixir of discovery

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Originally Posted by Applefritter

Just reiterating a concern others in the thread have already mentioned: The likelyhood that, in time, these named drop increases will be sold in the DDO store, followed by a reduction in general named drop rates to compensate and drive people to the cash shop. This seems to be an irresistible cash grab for game studios so I am worried the devs will follow the same path many others have. I consistently quit games when it becomes apparent that the gameplay elements are being designed to let the player *almost* have fun, "if only they'd purchase this one item, then it really would be fun!". Insane grind is not fun. The drop rates are already somewhat painful as I don't sink shards into chest rerolls, but are tolerable...kinda.

If the devs manage to resist temptation and do not follow this p2w path; good on them, they succeeded where nearly all others have failed. If they do, I hope they choke on their greed and the game dies, but I sure won't wait around to see it.

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Yep. One only has to look at the tomes to see what will happen. And just like tomes, SSG will never openly admit to lowering the drop rates, but it will be obvious for those who pay attention. We'll just get some carefully worded "denial" that leaves a lot of wiggle room and space for interpretation.

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Originally Posted by silinteresting

you do understand that ssg is a business dont you ?. you do understand that to run a business you have to
make money from said business ?. if said business does not make enough money you then understand that
it goes under?. also if this kinda thing makes enough money then maybe they get to expand a small bit of
said business.

i find it amazing that everytime a new thing comes in people moan about it, omg how can they do this, why
do they keep trying to get me to spend money. it simple really if you like what there offering you can buy it
and help them turn a profit or you can not buy it.

your friend sil :)

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Making money is cool. Making money by adding content that people want to play is awesome. That makes the game better. Making money by adding extra annoyances that people will pay to bypass is not good. It is bad. It makes the game worse even while it makes Turbine temporary cahs at the expense of the game's long term health.

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Originally Posted by korgzz_bloodaxe

Let me get this straight. You are holding SSG to a promise a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT company made about TEN YEARS ago? Do you not realise how stupid that is?

Guess what? Things change. Life moves on. If they didn't have all the new loot and new content that they have added over the last 10 years the game would have long ago gone bust.

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Let me get this straight. You're going to pretend that SSG is a completely different company?

SSG is Turbine renamed because they didn't get to keep their name when they bought their freedom from the parent company overlords. The people running SSG are the people who made those promises.

I'm not at all surprised that they're going back on their word. I'm not surprised at all considering the number of times they promise that they're going to use best practices and then deliberately chose to shoot their own game in the foot after they realize that they can make a quick buck by adding an artificial annoyance for whales to bypass with cash.

I don't think people understand just how much of a microtransaction based company's profits come from whales compared to the percent that comes from the big majority of the players.

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Originally Posted by HungarianRhapsody

Making money is cool. Making money by adding content that people want to play is awesome. That makes the game better. Making money by adding extra annoyances that people will pay to bypass is not good. It is bad. It makes the game worse even while it makes Turbine temporary cahs at the expense of the game's long term health.

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Pretty much this.

The loot tables in a lot of content are just terrible. Some are fine, and others are a bit in players favor IMO. My fear is not the existing content, though. My fear, as has already been stated by others in this thread, is that with no way of knowing what the actual loot tables look like, how do we know the new content loot tables don't become designed around folks running these pots? If the devs don't do this, I am all for these pots to bypass old loot tables they refuse to touch (ADQ, VoN 6 armor shard, etc.) Unfortunately, we will likely have to take their word at face value. This could be a deal-breaker for some. For me, I'm Premium and have already unlocked most of the game. I will continue to play as normal. I may purchase an occasional pot here and there (and farm hard to maximize the impact), but this will not cause me to quit, yet. Time will only tell for that, and will depend upon how the drop rates are in future content.

Suggestion - Limited time event: trade in your current Jewels of Fortune for these new pots! This is what the Jewels of Fortune should have been. 2 Small or 1 Medium turn in for 1 Lesser Discovery elixir. 2 Large or 1 Huge turn in for a Greater Discovery elixir. This would go a long way to not making it feel like such a cash grab (I understand SSG is a business, spare me the Econ 101.)

P.S. - Good job on adding the Sentient XP gems. Nice bonus, without breaking anything.

Once it is in the store they should spill out the drop rates so we know what chances we have. But I am afraid it wouldn't help the sales much :p

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Originally Posted by SuperNiCd

Personally I wouldn't put a bazillion coins into the slot machine to try to pull one but if someone wants to, I say let them. Doesn't hurt me.

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Yeah, duping and raid timer bypass never hurt anyone either.

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Originally Posted by silinteresting

you do understand that ssg is a business dont you ?. you do understand that to run a business you have to
make money from said business ?. if said business does not make enough money you then understand that
it goes under?. also if this kinda thing makes enough money then maybe they get to expand a small bit of
said business.

i find it amazing that everytime a new thing comes in people moan about it, omg how can they do this, why
do they keep trying to get me to spend money. it simple really if you like what there offering you can buy it
and help them turn a profit or you can not buy it.

your friend sil :)

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Cool, you are a real Sherlock. Possibly even an economist, I mean, you understand business so well! Thing is, the concern is less about the item, but the temptation for "creative marketing".

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Originally Posted by HungarianRhapsody

Making money is cool. Making money by adding content that people want to play is awesome. That makes the game better. Making money by adding extra annoyances that people will pay to bypass is not good. It is bad. It makes the game worse even while it makes Turbine temporary cahs at the expense of the game's long term health.

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They don't need to add any annoyances. The drop rates in this game have been abysmal for basically ever because the game gates loot by time spent mindlessly farming instead of by challenge. It's always been that way. It's why there's like 5 people per server that bothers to farm for anything.

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Originally Posted by jalont

They don't need to add any annoyances. The drop rates in this game have been abysmal for basically ever because the game gates loot by time spent mindlessly farming instead of by challenge. It's always been that way. It's why there's like 5 people per server that bothers to farm for anything.

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The drop rates on items are definitely worse in many of the recent raids than they've been in the past and the drop rate for tomes is MUCH worse than they used to be (even when you ignore the fact that so many of the tomes are "upgrade tomes" that we can't actually use most of the time). And they added the ridiculous grind of Racial Past Lives when the people who buy Ottos Boxes ran out of regular past lives to purchase.

Turbine is pretty good at coming up with new grinds/annoyances that we can bypass with cash.

Whatever shred that was left of their integrity has now completely gone down the drain. Another terrible move.

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Originally Posted by Ganak

Amen! SSG should ban players who spend money!!!

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lol Exactly....well played.

God forbid the company try to make some money. Doesn't everyone know that the developers sole purpose in life is to make stuff for us? I mean, do they really need to be paid for that privilege?

:P

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Originally Posted by Nuushmaar

Elixir of p2w lolololololololololololol

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how is this pay to win, what are you winning by using an item like this.
you maybe increasing the odds on a named item droping in a chest but
your not winning. unless of course you think pulling a named item is
winning and if so in my opinion thats kinda sad.

your friend sil :)

For the most part this is consistent with their philosophy of store items reducing grind.

The thing that is different is the fact that it works in raids and previously the devs stated such mechanics wouldn't exist in raids which is why there is no re-roll (except for a brief period of time when it was bugged).

Anyhow SSG will use the usual dirty trick of shutting this thread down with the lame excuse of abusive comments. ibtl..

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Originally Posted by silinteresting

how is this pay to win, what are you winning by using an item like this.
you maybe increasing the odds on a named item droping in a chest but
your not winning. unless of course you think pulling a named item is
winning and if so in my opinion thats kinda sad.

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A quick google search of 'pay to win' would answer this question for you.

'Pay to win' isn't a literal term. Concepts can have more expansive meaning than what their names strictly imply through flatly literal interpretation.

Have you been thinking that all this time when people used the phrase 'pay to win' that they actually meant that players were purchasing "winning the game" literally and they were just confused?

Heads up on one thing... When people have been saying "I *slept with* that guy/girl", they didn't just *sleep with* that person as in 'falling into slumber in the same bed'. The phrase has a broader meaning than what it implies when interpreted literally...

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Originally Posted by Morroiel

It is times like these that I wish SSG wasnt some noname company. Because at least then bad pr would mean something. Instead the players have one move: stop playing or at least stop paying for any service. I know thats what I'll be doing and actively encouraging my friends and fellow players to do.

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You're a bit late to the party, i stopped paying more then half a decade ago when turbine thought it would be more profiteble to sell mana pots to instakillers.
Sadly, it never helped one bit.
I am however curious about the dev meetings, didn't anyone bring up the EA star wars lootbox debacle?

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Originally Posted by Nuushmaar

Hey friend,

Are you ret@rded?

Send me some nudes pls.

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Ibtl

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Originally Posted by lyrecono

You're a bit late to the party, i stopped paying more then half a decade ago when turbine thought it would be more profiteble to sell mana pots to instakillers.
Sadly, it never helped one bit.
I am however curious about the dev meetings, didn't anyone bring up the EA star wars lootbox debacle?



Ibtl

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There was no EA debacle. The "protest" lead to a best-selling game and a huge profit for the company.

Man, you guys get so bent
This is a great addition

People complain, always and loudly, about loot drops
Here's a solution
Of course it costs money
It costs money to make ddo
It's a business
They ain't gonna nerf drop rates,
You people are too paranoid
It's a great add for those that want it
So far perk to VIP,
Probably soon to be in store
I won't use em, no need, I'm lucky,
But the gamblers out there may give it a spin
Of course there will be the incessant crying,
And moans of unfair play,
But like I said, they gotta make money
Trust they are doing right, not wrong
If you don't like p2w then go play in the park
It's free, and I hear it's good for your health

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Originally Posted by Vish

Of course it costs money
It costs money to make ddo
It's a business

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Uh huh. And I pay money through VIP and buying points to support that business.

Saying that a business needs to make money is beside the point when people are objecting to *HOW* they make that money, not the sheer necessity of making it.

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Originally Posted by Vish

If you don't like p2w then go play in the park
It's free, and I hear it's good for your health

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I would think that you would be concerned about the player population declining due to pay-to-win business practices that alienate players.

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Originally Posted by changelingamuck

Uh huh. And I pay money through VIP and buying points to support that business.

Saying that a business needs to make money is beside the point when people are objecting to *HOW* they make that money, not the sheer necessity of making it.



I would think that you would be concerned about the player population declining due to pay-to-win business practices that alienate players.

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But when a population complains about every single money making idea that a company has, it gets really old.

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Originally Posted by changelingamuck

A quick google search of 'pay to win' would answer this question for you.

'Pay to win' isn't a literal term. Concepts can have more expansive meaning than what their names strictly imply through flatly literal interpretation.

Have you been thinking that all this time when people used the phrase 'pay to win' that they actually meant that players were purchasing "winning the game" literally and they were just confused?

Heads up on one thing... When people have been saying "I *slept with* that guy/girl", they didn't just *sleep with* that person as in 'falling into slumber in the same bed'. The phrase has a broader meaning than what it implies when interpreted literally...

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i know exactly what pay to win is and always have done please see my reply in other thread.

your friend sil :)