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10-08-2009, 11:11 PM
Quikster

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Originally Posted by Angelus_dead

Look:
1. Joe wants to go from Fig17/Rog3 to Fig18/Rog2, because there was no such thing as specialty enhancements back when he took Rog3.

2. Ted wants to go from Fig10/Rog10 to Ran19/Monk1, and also upgrade from 28 to 34 build points.

Why should both of those changes have the same cost? Isn't one of them "minor" compared to the other?

I believe the 28 V 32 pt issue, and the changing class issue are seperate.

The first imo should be automatic at a certain favor level imo.

So leaving just the second, does it really matter if you want to dump the 1 sorc level one a cleric, or the third paly level on a ranger vs 10 levels of a certain class? To me it does not. Here is why, what is the biggest reason of not rerolling quoted by most players here? I see so many posts stating, " If I could keep my chattering ring, DT, 6 shroud items/weapons, 3 +3 tomes, I would reroll" I also see the,"i don't wanna spend the time, I can live with it" line as well.

I think the system as presented gives a good balance between the issue of losing all your loot and rerolling, and the easy button of oh I didn't know not to take that 3rd paly level on my ranger, or whatever. I rerolled a dex rog recently, but kept the original. The reroll is 17, but only has dual lit II and the IR for bound gear. With this option I can keep the original and his 150 + larges and tons of raid loot, and only have to reacquire tomes. IMO that shouldn't be cheap, even though its "not my fault I piacked the wrong alignment in mod6 to take a monk splash"

Its obviously just my opinion.
10-09-2009, 12:10 AM
Orratti

I am only interested in how it will work. I rebuild characters usually at least twice, some may say that if I knew what I was doing I would do it right the first time but all of them are experiments when they are created to test how things I haven't seen others do will work. I'm sure I have made copies of forum builds, more likely near copies but I like to come up with my own ideas instead of copying someone elses. Even if I am repeating someone elses work it is still new to me. How this reincarnation thing is actually going to work I am very curious about. So far it just sounds like a new character with some extra build points and loot bound to the previous character. Is that all it is or is there something I'm missing?
10-09-2009, 01:06 AM
Samadhi

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Originally Posted by Angelus_dead

Look:
1. Joe wants to go from Fig17/Rog3 to Fig18/Rog2, because there was no such thing as specialty enhancements back when he took Rog3.

2. Ted wants to go from Fig10/Rog10 to Ran19/Monk1, and also upgrade from 28 to 34 build points.

Why should both of those changes have the same cost? Isn't one of them "minor" compared to the other?

Exactly. Granted, my "guess" is that the reason things ended the way they did was more due to implementation than one they were designing for. But then again, someone obviously thought this "size" increase would be something everyone would want too...
10-09-2009, 01:55 AM
bobbryan2

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Originally Posted by Kistilan

/qft

And Awesome. A Foot or A Mile. Turbine gave a foot. I applaud them on what they did do to appease "the masses." I hope they can appreciate the many things like skills that can now be fixed.

Have no fear, your Intimitank can now be effective! And your Bluff can now be removed! And if you don't want Swim, you can get rid of that too!

Easily over half of the arguments have been corrected by all of the Reincarnation options, at a reasonable price, and at a reasonable limit.

PS: What Is Respec & Why Do People Want It was heavily debated in That Which Has No Life. He knows better.

PPS: When did that thing get a lock!?! :eek: I must have been extended afk... The Ultimate Necro has been taken away. I had a Dream... and now that Dream is gone from me.

No... Turbine gave a mile. They just didn't give a mile and a foot. The respec options pretty much offer every single thing that most people wanted. They just bundled them together oddly.

No one is wanting extra functionality.. they're just wanting them to be bundled a little differently.
10-09-2009, 02:21 AM
spyderwolf

skills and abilties minor changes - lesser and greater reincarnate

classes and alignment major change - true reincarnate

turbine isnt forcing you to utilize any of it. if releveling is too much work in your opinion , then dont.

the lesser and greaters have 0 drawbacks , the true has 2 big drawbacks (having to be 20 and having to relevel) but thsoe drawbacks are insignificant since it means saving a toons gear. all you have to do is level up again , no grind for all hte raid gear seems fair to me. i can take the hit to tomes in order to not have to run 134 titans on my pally to get the ring .
10-09-2009, 04:05 AM
mediocresurgeon

Sweet! Level 20 Demon Queen raid! And options to enhance my loot! What would an enhanced Bloodstone look like? Or an enhanced Spell Storing Ring? Enhanced Specteral Gloves? Enhanced Whirlwind? That's some pretty badass loot they are talking about!

Could it be possible... to make the DQ bracers even more badass than they currently are???

Oh, and I am all for True Reincarnate if it gives my barbarian Improved Evasion. And my barbarian already ate all his tomes and is capped on favor. It would totally be worth it.

Except that it might un-gimp Spyderwolf. Sarlona should boycott True Reincarnate on this fact alone!
10-09-2009, 07:01 AM
Hendrik

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Originally Posted by Ron

How so? What exactly is it that you guys are complaining about? There are three different options there for respecing. Two of them allow you to keep your XP and favor. What is the problem?

They can't have it all Ron, that's the problem.
10-09-2009, 07:02 AM
Hafeal
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Originally Posted by Borror0

Technically, yes,

Say no more. Thank you for that admission, it wasn't so bad? I have admitted I am wrong on these forums - just recently in fact about slayer numbers in Korthos. It happens.

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Originally Posted by Borror0

but as I pointed out the definition of respec what not under debate.

...but always the "qualifier." The definition of respec was under debate; that IS what the thread was about. You can see the variations from the first page of responses.

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Originally Posted by Borror0

It seems you do not understand the position you're arguing against.

Here are a few corrections in your above statement:

Here's what gets me - why are so many of your posts blanket assertions and more along the guise of a forum bully: "false"; "you're wrong"; "you do not understand"; "you need to be corrected"; "here is your faulty logic". There is a way to use tact and a deft touch to assert a position without defaulting to harsh, attacking opinions. To me, these bull in a chinashop posts of yours do nothing but demonstrate an attempt by you to show-off your forum posting prowess and a seeming constant need to demonstrate some infallible sense of logic and understanding all your lesser forumites seem to lack in your world.
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Originally Posted by Borror0

It's not only about class but also about alignment.
Alignment should not be easily changed. In a pnp game, although alignment can change; it is a lengthy process made through moral decisions. We really do not get that here but as this is a game based on pnp, I think alignment should be a matter that was thought out at creation. I also do not object if Turbine creates a stringent requirement to change it.
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Originally Posted by Borror0

Changing all class levels is not the same as changing one class level.
The assumption that "[one] continued to play that character to cap" does not make sense to assume.
It is dubious to label "a mistake" something that was a judicious choice before the game's rules were changed.
To you in your opinion. I disagree, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Borror0

That DM would be enforcing an imbecile grind on his players. Hardly a good DM.

MMO's are different from pnp in that regard, imo, because real world time functions differently as does your ability to play out content. You can finish a quest in 15 minutes here that might take a month in a pnp session. Grinding is part of MMOs. It has been part of DDO and will continue to be from what I can see.

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Originally Posted by Borror0

I love to roll new alts but reexploring the game with the same character multiple times is not all that interesting. Even more so if I could be playing with buddies at higher levels. Additionally, there are times where I can be fed up of playing low levels and would rather play high levels.

Forcing a player through a process he has no interest into at the moment to adapt to design changes is not necessarily what I would call conductive of fun gameplay.

For you. Then do not do it.

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Originally Posted by Mhykke

The player base was calling for those that respec to get +2 build points every time they do (up to 2 times) and an ability to keep feats from past lives from different classes?

Funny, I don't remember 1 single person asking for those things.

Nice. You do remember the many threads for 32 pt builds and respecs? Turbine giving the extra goodies was on their part; they are the DM.

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Originally Posted by Angelus_dead

Look ... Why should both of those changes have the same cost? Isn't one of them "minor" compared to the other?

No. I don't consider them to be minor, and neither does Turbine apparently. I agree with Quikster.

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Originally Posted by Quikster

I believe the 28 V 32 pt issue, and the changing class issue are seperate.

The first imo should be automatic at a certain favor level imo.

So leaving just the second, does it really matter if you want to dump the 1 sorc level one a cleric, or the third paly level on a ranger vs 10 levels of a certain class? To me it does not. Here is why, what is the biggest reason of not rerolling quoted by most players here? I see so many posts stating, " If I could keep my chattering ring, DT, 6 shroud items/weapons, 3 +3 tomes, I would reroll" I also see the,"i don't wanna spend the time, I can live with it" line as well.

I think the system as presented gives a good balance between the issue of losing all your loot and rerolling, and the easy button of oh I didn't know not to take that 3rd paly level on my ranger, or whatever. I rerolled a dex rog recently, but kept the original. The reroll is 17, but only has dual lit II and the IR for bound gear. With this option I can keep the original and his 150 + larges and tons of raid loot, and only have to reacquire tomes. IMO that shouldn't be cheap, even though its "not my fault I piacked the wrong alignment in mod6 to take a monk splash"

Its obviously just my opinion.
10-09-2009, 07:13 AM
whysper

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Originally Posted by Samadhi

I have one character in the same boat - it sucks :( - I'm witholding final judgment until I see how ugly the XP penalty is though.

It will be either 20%, or 10% - by a curious coincidence, the same factor you can make up with an XP potion from the store.
10-09-2009, 07:43 AM
quintuss

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Originally Posted by whysper

It will be either 20%, or 10% - by a curious coincidence, the same factor you can make up with an XP potion from the store.

I'm pretty sure that the introduction of a rerolling mechanism that destroys all previously eaten tomes and the introduction of +2 tomes to the store is just coincidence too. :p

With ddo:EU they've put the thumbscrews in place and with update1 they are starting to use them. :(
10-09-2009, 08:06 AM
Borror0

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Originally Posted by Hafeal

Here's what gets me - why are so many of your posts blanket assertions and more along the guise of a forum bully: "false"; "you're wrong"; "you do not understand"; "you need to be corrected"; "here is your faulty logic". There is a way to use tact and a deft touch to assert a position without defaulting to harsh, attacking opinions.

Yes, because questioning and challenging them intellectually someone's reasoning is such an impolite thing to do nowadays...
10-09-2009, 08:10 AM
jmelanie7

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Originally Posted by Gol

I don't want a 34 point build. I don't want to lose my tomes. I don't even want to change my stats. I want to drop 1 class level.

http://daverendall.typepad.com/.a/6a...e27a970b-800wi
10-09-2009, 08:35 AM
96th_Malice

All of these /respec options seem like they be alright for one of my 28 point builds.

I am not gonna lie to you ... I know nothing about the respec feature OTHER than what I have read here from you .

However, I have had a toon capped out at 16th lvl for quite some time and I had NO interest in leveling her to 20th.

BUT

I also couldn't find the nerve to re-roll either.

A respec will be great for this toon and would correct all of the "errors" I made on a toon in a game that was still only 2 weeks old when she was rolled.

Its odd that I have 2 remaining 28 pnt Builds ( Damiya n Danya ) and Damiya worked out extremly well and is still better than any of my 32 point builds, yes Danya's only purpose is wll ........ Hmmmmm I cant think of anything she is good at. Her abilty to turn / destroy undead faded shortly after the XP lvl of Delera's

Anyways, I am quite excited about this ..... I guess I should go read the actual post about this

Later all
10-09-2009, 12:35 PM
Hafeal

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Originally Posted by Borror0

Yes, because questioning and challenging them intellectually someone's reasoning is such an impolite thing to do nowadays...

Asserting your own position and attempting to be persuasive is neither impolite nor unwanted. Attacking others with blanket assertions and demeaning comments, however, takes credibility away from the merit of your own points and paints you as nothing more than someone attempting to be a "know it all" intellectual bully.

You could easily assert your opinions politely and persuasively, especially on subjective matters which have no clear answers, without having to resort to the type of commentary I previsouly referenced.
10-09-2009, 12:42 PM
404error

I'm on looking at why the LLama is broke and not other servers we have tested it on.
10-09-2009, 12:44 PM
Gornn

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Originally Posted by JayDubya

What you are saying is : "It removes all sense of accomplishment when I can whip out a credit card to unlock stuff"

But what you really mean, as far as I can tell, is: "It makes me annoyed that other people can whip out a credit card to unlock stuff"

Because, of course, you don't have to use a credit card to unlock those things, and then the accomplishment is quite significant (for example, I feel awesome about getting 2500 favor to get my FvS, and even though other people bought one, it does not diminish my personal sense of accomplishment)

I edited the most important part a little because you are so close to dead on:

But what you really mean, as far as I can tell, is: "It makes me annoyed that other people can whip out a credit card to unlock stuff (that I had to grind out!) I had to work for it so should everyone else."
10-09-2009, 12:47 PM
Borror0

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Originally Posted by Hafeal

Attacking others with blanket assertions and demeaning comments

of the statements you've accused me of saying, none would fit with the exception of "you need to be corrected" which I have never said.

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Originally Posted by Gornn

I edited the most important part a little because you are so close to dead on:

But what you really mean, as far as I can tell, is: "It makes me annoyed that other people can whip out a credit card to unlock stuff (that I had to grind out!) I had to work for it so should everyone else."

Do you you mindread? that would be the only way for you to know that it is what he meant.

Or, do you think that the position Ranmaru says to defend is truly indefensible and thus he must be thinking what you said in the above quote?
10-09-2009, 06:29 PM
Hafeal

In this thread alone, in response to my posts:

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Originally Posted by Borror0

That is false.

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Originally Posted by Borror0

It seems you do not understand the position you're arguing against.

And then the irony ... in the VERY post responding to me, you make a mean-spirited attack on Gornn:

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Originally Posted by Borror0

Do you you mindread? that would be the only way for you to know that it is what he meant.

If you want, I can go through all your posts and show the repeated pattern. Sometimes we do not see what is before our very eyes. It is hard to be objective about one's own behavior.

With regard to Gornn, you could have said, "I don't think you can really infer that meaning from what he posted." Instead, you chose to attempt a verbal whip to elicit a howl from the receiver. I will state again, there are polite and persuasive ways to make a point - you do not need to verbally attack to attempt to prove a point.
10-10-2009, 08:53 AM
Kistilan

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Originally Posted by Hafeal

In this thread alone, in response to my posts:

And then the irony ... in the VERY post responding to me, you make a mean-spirited attack on Gornn:

If you want, I can go through all your posts and show the repeated pattern. Sometimes we do not see what is before our very eyes. It is hard to be objective about one's own behavior.

With regard to Gornn, you could have said, "I don't think you can really infer that meaning from what he posted." Instead, you chose to attempt a verbal whip to elicit a howl from the receiver. I will state again, there are polite and persuasive ways to make a point - you do not need to verbally attack to attempt to prove a point.

This is why I have certain individuals on ignore.

+1 rep for your candour.
10-10-2009, 09:17 AM
Gol

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Originally Posted by Borror0

Really? That hurt your feeling? Oh well...

He's spot on, dude.

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