Drow Rogue Shortsword Assassin

[Lil_Jaxon]

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Level 20 Chaotic Neutral Drow Male
(20 Rogue)
Hit Points: 202
Spell Points: 0
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 17
Will: 7

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Strength 16 20 20
Dexterity 16 17 21
Constitution 14 14 14
Intelligence 12 12 14
Wisdom 8 8 8
Charisma 10 10 10

Starting Ending Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20) (Level 20)
Balance 7 27 27
Bluff 0 0 6
Concentration 2 2 2
Diplomacy 0 0 0
Disable Device 5 25 29
Haggle 0 0 0
Heal -1 -1 -1
Hide 7 28 38
Intimidate 0 0 0
Jump 7 28 28
Listen -1 -1 1
Move Silently 7 28 38
Open Lock 7 28 28
Perform n/a n/a n/a
Repair 1 2 2
Search 5 25 35
Spot 3 22 24
Swim 3 5 5
Tumble 4 6 6
Use Magic Device 3 23 23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Drow Spell Resistance
Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Shuriken Expertise
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Spell Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Enhancement: Elven Perception I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device I


Level 2 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I


Level 3 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Piercing Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Trapmaking
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II


Level 5 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device II


Level 6 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I


Level 7 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device III
Enhancement: Improved Search I
Enhancement: Improved Search II
Enhancement: Improved Search III


Level 9 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Iron Will
Enhancement: Elven Perception II
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking III


Level 10 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind
Enhancement: Elven Perception III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III


Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Improved Hide III


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device IV
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently III


Level 13 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking IV


Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV


Level 15 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike
Enhancement: Elven Perception IV
Enhancement: Improved Hide IV
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently IV
Enhancement: Improved Search IV


Level 17 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II


Level 18 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III


Level 19 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II

[Creeper]

A shortsword wielding strength based pure rogue with Iron Will and TWF defense but not Improved TWF or Greater TWF?

Did you forget to add them?

[Lil_Jaxon]

ah yes i knew i was forgetting something :P

[unbongwah]

rapiers > short swords

My build is pretty similar but slightly tweaked:


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Level 20 True Neutral Drow Female
(20 Rogue)
Hit Points: 222
Spell Points: 0
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 16
Will: 5

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(28 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 16 21
Dexterity 16 18
Constitution 14 14
Intelligence 12 14
Wisdom 8 8
Charisma 10 10

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Rogue)


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Rogue)


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 7 (Rogue)


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Piercing Weapons


Level 13 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Crippling Strike


Level 17 (Rogue)


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting (or other feat)


Level 19 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Skill Mastery


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Extra Action Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Rogue Deadly Shadow
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Attack I
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Attack II
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage I
Enhancement: Drow Weapon Damage II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing IV
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV
Enhancement: Improved Hide I
Enhancement: Improved Hide II
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I
Enhancement: Improved Move Silently II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I

[Rauven]

I would change the feat progression around a bit.

1: TWF
3: WF: Pierce (generally, on a Str rogue this is where you would take EWP: Khopesh or maybe a past life feat, since you're planning to use short swords, this is kind of up in the air)
6: Toughness
9: ITWF (requires putting your lvl 8 ability point into Dex)
10: Improved Evasion or Opportunist
12: IC: Pierce
13: Improved Evasion or Opportunist
15: GTWF
16: Crippling Strike or Skill Mastery
18: Power Attack
19: Crippling Strike or Skill Mastery (can take SM twice)

Here's my reasoning. By putting your lvl 8 ability point into Dex you take ITWF and GTWF earlier, these will increase your DPS by increasing your off-hand attacks. Power Attack will increase your DPS in situations where you hit on a 2, such as in Shroud against the portals. Obviously, PA won't be something you can leave on all the time but in those cases when you can use it it will make a difference.

You have some leeway with your feat selections as it is; you could potentially drop PA for something else (though I wouldn't) or drop WF: Pierce for something else (I probably would). If UMD will be a major focus for you, you might want to consider slotting SF: UMD until you can build up your UMD boosting gear.

I would not take Iron Will. Your will save is not going to be high enough for that +2 to make much, if any, difference at all. I also would not take Slippery Mind. If your will save is so low that you can only save on a 20 then getting a second roll will almost never make a difference.

As far as rogue bonus feats, Opportunist and Imp Evasion should be your first two selected. Following that Crippling Strike and/or Skill Mastery. Lately, I have taken to swapping out CS and taking a second SM. CS does 2 pts of Str damage on a sneak attack. While that damage can add up and have an effect on the mob in most cases I find everything dies to quickly for it to matter, the mob is immune or the mob recovers so quickly that I might as well have not even damaged their Str in the first place. Besides that, they're already dead. Defensive Roll only works when you are below 20% health. I find that I'm almost never below 20% health, if I am I am almost never there for very long and most things that are going to hit me at that point are going to kill me in 1-3 hits (100 HP doesn't last very long in most end game content). As I already said, Slippery Mind's second will save roll against enchantments isn't going to make much of a difference if you only save on a 20. Besides that, most of the things you would be making will save rolls against can be negated by buffs, ie GH, prot from evil, etc.

For your skills I would dump Jump (can get a nice jump clickie in Amrath or use jump pots) and put those points into either Bluff or Diplo. I like having both because they have different uses. Bluff works well for pulling mobs, especially teleporting Bearded Devils and Orthons. While in sneak, Bluff the mob then hit assassinate while facing the area where the mob will teleport into. You'll usually assassinate them before they've even fully appeared. But Bluff does nothing to shed agro and agro, even on a Str rogue, is never a good thing. If you want some Jump you can lower Hide and Move Silent and shift a few points to Jump. You don't really need very high Hide and Move Silent scores for most content.

Keep some Divine Power clickies around or get scrolls when your UMD is high enough. The extra attack bonus will make a big difference.

Your enhancements don't make much sense to me. You're spending a lot of AP on skill boosting things like Search and Disable Device but you don't take Rogue Skill Boost. Also, you neglected the Drow enhancements to attack and damage.

Drop Elf: Skill Search, Skill: Disable Device, Skill: Search and either Rogue Dexterity II or Elf Dexterity II and put those 20 AP into Drow: Weapon Attack and Damage II, Rogue Skill Boost III, Rogue Haste Boost I and Racial Toughness II. You don't need the additional +1 to Dex (it was putting you at 21). The Racial Toughness enhancements will net you an additional 20 HP. The Drow Attack and Damage enhancements will boost your DPS, as will Rogue Haste Boost. And Rogue Skill Boost boosts all skills for 20 sec, which means more UMD, Search, Spot, Disable, Open Lock, etc, when you need it.

If you can acquire a +1 Dex tome prior to level 9 I would suggest using that to meet the Dex requirements for ITWF and put your level 8 point into Str. Then you can drop another Dex enhancement, freeing another 4 AP.

[unbongwah]

Skip WF Pierce; if you really need the extra to-hit, OTWF provides a bigger bonus. EDIT: when dual-wielding rapiers, that is.

[Doganpc]

rapiers > short swordsPretty much this ^. You would have to have a pretty good reason to go Short Sword... I can only think of Monk/Rogue that would make you want to TWF w/ SS. Guess there is a Drow Favored Soul, but why are you playing a Drow FvS when their faith feats are weaker than all the other races? :D

Sanyway, if you absolutely can't spend the feat for Oversized TWF... Rapier + Short Sword > Short Swords

Dogan
Drow needs more help than Elf

[Matuse]

but why are you playing a Drow FvS when their faith feats are weaker than all the other races?

Cause it isn't. At-will invis is IMMENSELY powerful.

[Doganpc]

Cause it isn't. At-will invis is IMMENSELY powerful.

I hear they sell a Potion for that :D
However, amongst the capstones the only two others I like are Shield and Searing Light... Searing Light wins if it gets the SLA's free metamagic's.

Dogan
I don't hate Drow, just wish they weren't for sale

[Matuse]

I hear they sell a Potion for that

You heard wrong.

[Rauven]

I hear they sell a Potion for that

You heard wrong.

You're right, they sell scrolls.

[Doganpc]

You heard wrong.


You're right, they sell scrolls.
So while I was unaware that the vendors did not sell Potions of Invisibility... I always seem to have a stack of them and now I know to put them on the AH where they do sell potions of Invisibility. So thanks, think I just made a few more 1kpp :D

Dogan
This is why I like eschew materials, moar bags!

[Matuse]

You're right, they sell scrolls.

Scrolls which most characters (even FvS, since they tend to dump Cha and have a very low skillpoint base) cannot use.

Scrolls are also -really- slow. You have to swap equipment to use them, and they can fail if you take any hits.

Vulkoor Capstone is instant cast (presuming Quicken), lasts 40 minutes (with Extend), and the only resource it consumes is a button on your hotbar.