shroud portal beater

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remaking since this is now a discussion type thread.....

[Kahless_of_Cannith]

I may be mistaken, but I thought portals were neutral, which would make holy useless. I couldn't find a source on this, and can't remember off the top of my head, so I could very well be wrong. In any case, I believe smiting has become the king of portal beaters at this point.

[adamkatt]

I may be mistaken, but I thought portals were neutral, which would make holy useless. I couldn't find a source on this, and can't remember off the top of my head, so I could very well be wrong. In any case, I believe smiting has become the king of portal beaters at this point.

You are.

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I may be mistaken, but I thought portals were neutral, which would make holy useless. I couldn't find a source on this, and can't remember off the top of my head, so I could very well be wrong. In any case, I believe smiting has become the king of portal beaters at this point.

ya i have been hearing that smiting has been awesome against them.....

but i am not a super duper master when it comes to the numbers thing for this game but....

smiting only works on crits....so for a monk its mainly 19-20's....

the GCB is just a more constant amount of damage.....

so its up to u if u want these or look for smiting wraps.....

[dkyle]

smiting only works on crits....so for a monk its mainly 19-20's....

Not true.

Smiting is now +4d6 on all hits, and 100 on a 20 (or kill if HP < 1000).

It's 4.5 damage per hit better than GCB, on average.

[darkminstrel]

I was under the impression that all portals in the game were immune to crit effects...thus the need for a GCB item. Holy,axiomatic, and chaos have always worked because the ports are listed as neutral constructs. If smiting is now a property that is < than con bane that's a huge boost to party DPS potential regarding portals in all the various quests they're in.

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Not true.

Smiting is now +4d6 on all hits, and 100 on a 20 (or kill if HP < 1000).

It's 4.5 damage per hit better than GCB, on average.

lol....see....told ya i didnt know yet....

i havent had the time to test it yet.....

now i must really find a good smiter for my monk to test b4 i tr.....

but still these r for sale for the ppl who want sumthing til they find the top notch stuff....

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Not true.

Smiting is now +4d6 on all hits, and 100 on a 20 (or kill if HP < 1000).

It's 4.5 damage per hit better than GCB, on average.

well i been ina shroud testing these wraps and i was doing about 40-60 ish damage per hit....

so if the wraps with smiting was an average of 4.5 damage per hit more.....

thats only about a 8%-12% increase if it was 5 damage per hit more....

and so far the cheapest i was able to locate was about 1m plat for sum +1 AXIOMATIC wraps of SMITING....

so u can go around and check around and what not but ppl will just ask for high amounts i guess....

based on the values of 1m to a chrono boot scroll <-- was funny but they tried i guess....

ill put mine at 300k-400k plat .....would more prefer plat since im 5 shrouds from my next TR and could use sum YUGO pot cash

[akiraproject24]

I was under the impression that all portals in the game were immune to crit effects...thus the need for a GCB item. Holy,axiomatic, and chaos have always worked because the ports are listed as neutral constructs. If smiting is now a property that is < than con bane that's a huge boost to party DPS potential regarding portals in all the various quests they're in.

immune to the damage multiplier of crits...but if you roll a 17-20 say with a khopesh with holy burst.....you will still get the burst effect of said "crit" however your base damage will not be multiplied

[darkminstrel]

Ah hah!

[t0r012]

I was under the impression that all portals in the game were immune to crit effects...thus the need for a GCB item. Holy,axiomatic, and chaos have always worked because the ports are listed as neutral constructs. If smiting is now a property that is < than con bane that's a huge boost to party DPS potential regarding portals in all the various quests they're in.


Shroud portals are Lawful Evil so Holy and Anarchic work great , Axiomatic does not.

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now for the damage math.

Greater banes give 3d6 + 4 extra damage. so for HW
roll 1 = 0
2-20 = 10.5 *19 (bane) + 4 * 19 (extra plus) = 275.5
div by 20 for 13.775 avg damage per swing

Smiters give +4d6 +100 on rolls that would be vorpal not any crit.
roll 1= 0
2-19 = 14 * 18 (4d6 avg) = 252 + 100 from a vorpal for 352
div by 20 for avg = 17.6

so smiters give an extra 3.825 damage per swing.

so if you miss on a 2 or higher without CGB extra plus from a bane weapon use a GCB otherwise smite away.

[uthanak69]

It's 4.5 damage per hit better than GCB, on average.

Doesn't mean that everyone HAS to change though. GCB is still good enough.

[t0r012]

Doesn't mean that everyone HAS to change though. GCB is still good enough.

my math above hast it at 3.825 better if you hit on a 2 or better. I think he counted the 100 damage on crits not just vorpal.

but no one has to have a special portal beater at all much less the best most damage ones. yet people do. No one has to have the best of everything but people grind for hours, days , weeks even months to get the best stuff.

Am I going to pay a lots of money to replace my holy CGB with a holy smiting nope just for beating on shroud portals? not a chance.

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my math above hast it at 3.825 better if you hit on a 2 or better. I think he counted the 100 damage on crits not just vorpal.

but no one has to have a special portal beater at all much less the best most damage ones. yet people do. No one has to have the best of everything but people grind for hours, days , weeks even months to get the best stuff.

Am I going to pay a lots of money to replace my holy CGB with a holy smiting nope just for beating on shroud portals? not a chance.

no kinding huh....well i am happy with my anarchic GCB wraps and these were just what i wuda used from lvl14-17 once lvl18 i use the anarchic....

but if any1 wants sum decent portal beaters from lvl14-XX til they can get sumthing else better or more workable then these r for u....if not no biggy.....i will keep them for sale til i tr in 4 more shrouds...then i will bind them for myself...

[dkyle]

my math above hast it at 3.825 better if you hit on a 2 or better. I think he counted the 100 damage on crits not just vorpal.

Hitting on a 2 can certainly be assumed vs. Portals.

GCB: +4, +3d6 = 10.5 per hit; 14.5 total per hit

Smiting: +4d6 = 14, +100 on 20 = 5 per hit; 19 total per hit

19 - 14.5 = 4.5

[Seamonkeysix]

Yep. I use Holy smiter on the portals these days. Lucky I kept it in the bank on accident. :D

[t0r012]

Hitting on a 2 can certainly be assumed vs. Portals.

GCB: +4, +3d6 = 10.5 per hit; 14.5 total per hit

Smiting: +4d6 = 14, +100 on 20 = 5 per hit; 19 total per hit

19 - 14.5 = 4.5

look at my math in the above post

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I see the issue. I'm not counting the smite 4d6 on a vorpal , where you are.
To be honest i haven't payed attention to see if you get the 4d6 on top of the 100 on a vorpal.

[Symar-FangofLloth]

I was under the impression that all portals in the game were immune to crit effects.

Get a rogue that has Wrack Construct in your party, and pray the portals roll 1 on their Ref saves, and you'll see some crits.

[jeremyt]

Smiting raises the level of the item more than greater bane. greater bane is +6 levels, smiting is 10. Edit, checked in game, smiter is 4 levels more than greater bane, not 2, added more info two posts down :)

[t0r012]

Smiting raises the level of the item more than greater bane. greater bane is +6 levels, smiting is 8. So through mid levels that would allow a greater bane to have a prefix enchantment that could yield a 3.5 damage average over the smiter. Or gain one more hit and dam.

great except smiting is 1d6 on top of greater bane to begin with. so the extra 1d6 you can get on a prefix is not quite bringing things to even again (cause of the 100 on vorpal).

[jeremyt]

I realize that, just saying, in your calcs you list the difference as 3.8 or something. Thats all things being equal. I was just pointing out that the ML cost difference was not accounted for.

Actually checked in game. have a +1 shock shortsword of smiting. its ML 12

+4 acid q-staff of GCB is ML 14.

+1 greater bane is lev 6/ +1 smiter is 10. Lev dif is 4. So the greater bane can get one of these six things that the smiter cannot:

1)+2 hit/dam
2) 1d6 and +1 hit/dam
3) 2d6
4) 1d6 + burst
5) 2d6 +burst -1 hit and dam
6) burst +1 hit and dam

The most a smiter could theoretically get back as far as costs go is when comparing a +5 2d6 w/ burst greater bane (ML 20 item, most cost avail to a greater bane) with a +4 2d6 w/ burst smiter with a racial req (ML 20)