DR bypassing handwraps are near impossible to find

[MsEricka]

OK, so we all know that some time ago Eladrin stated that DR bypassing handwraps can drop from Devils Assault on normal or hard.

First post (http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=3447289&postcount=13)


Devil Assault can produce evil-outsider oriented weapons on Normal or Hard difficulty

Second post (http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=3447355&postcount=18)


At the time that we created the tables, we figured that by level 18 most people would already possess decent devil-beaters, so they wouldn't be nearly as attractive as other stuff.

I'm not the first one to mention this, but ANY kind of non-named handwraps are stupidly hard to find. I have run devils assault daily for weeks at a time, and never seen a single pair of DR breaking handwraps.

Why not just go for Devout handwraps? For me I was one of the lucky ones, who got Devouts almost immediately after they were put into the loot tables and one of the first on Sarlona to have them. But I know some monks that have had upwards of 50 runs in the Shadow Crypt (with full parties) with no luck at finding them.

Something has to give.

I'm not asking for a handout. I'm not asking for exceptions for monks. But I am asking for something!

Allow DR breaking handwraps to drop from any chest... please! With the crafting system out now I've easily got 30 blanks sitting on a bank toon of silver weapons. Khopeshes, maces, maul's, greataxes.. you name it, I've got it. But I still can't find a pair of silver-threaded handwraps that are non-named.

Yes I tried to deconstruct the Eternal Rest handwraps from the Catacombs chain just to make sure. When placed in the device they are rejected with the typical named item error message.

Heck if we could deconstruct those handwraps you might even see people run the catacombs and purchase that pack. That's not an ideal solution however.

One other issue with DR breaking handwraps is that you can't tell they are DR breakers without hovering over them. A silver khopesh says it's silver, handwraps don't. It's impossible to search for them on the auction house and for end rewards you must mouse over each one. It's possible that users have passed up DR breaking handwraps because they saw something else shiny that they wanted. If they only saw silver in the name they would have been snapped up.

Again, please let DR breaking handwraps have the possibility to drop from any chest or end reward and hopefully with the metal type in their name.


Possible Solutions!
1) Sell silver/cold iron/adamantine wraps in the store (not my favorite idea!)
2) Make them drop from any quest (do it now please!)
3) Let monks deconstruct named handwraps (again not my favorite idea)
4) Give the Epic Mabar wraps a red slot (workable, as long as the wraps weren't exclusive and you brought mabar back)
5) Give the Epic Mabar wraps metalline properties (overpowered in my opinion)
6) Simply increase the drop rate (a lot) of these wraps in Devils Assault
7) Add a 20th completion reward list to DA similar to raids or Tide Turns

[Uska]

agreed

[LOOON375]

Stop looking for it and you will possibly find it. That's the way it seems to work.

You are looking for one exact, particular thing to drop. The odds have to be astronomical and not in your favor. IMHO

[TheDearLeader]

Stop looking for it and you will possibly find it. That's the way it seems to work.

You are looking for one exact, particular thing to drop. The odds have to be astronomical and not in your favor. IMHO

He's been looking for them in the one quest where they could possibly drop. The odds should be with him, rather than against him.

If he "Stops looking for it", it means that he stops doing that quest - and therefore in theory never finds them. So, Reading Fail.

OP, I support your action.

[Chai]

Found a pair of metalline pure good on the Sarlona AH last week for 150kpp..o_0

The OP is correct, they are stupidly hard to find. The lack of consistency here is that any other melee class can buy a boss beater off the AH easy style if they dont pull one. I even ran shadow crypt until it gave minimum xp due to too much grinding it out. Nada. Then I got lucky on the AH.

I think putting the metal types in the general loot tables would be good enough, with the new crafting system and all.

[LOOON375]

He's been looking for them in the one quest where they could possibly drop. The odds should be with him, rather than against him.

If he "Stops looking for it", it means that he stops doing that quest - and therefore in theory never finds them. So, Reading Fail.

OP, I support your action.

It was meant in jest. "it's always the last place you look".

[TheDearLeader]

It was meant in jest. "it's always the last place you look".

Except in the case in point, there is a total of two places to look. *Two*. He's asking for more last places to look, which is a reasonable request.

[Chette]

Yes, at least have silver threaded wraps drop with the same rate as other weapons so that monks can craft their own beaters.

[oradafu]

While you're looking for DR breaking handwraps, keep an eye out for a DR breaking quarterstaff. Currently, the only sources for a quarterstaff that breaks DR is Metalline of Pure Good, Metalline of Righteousness and Epic Nat Gann's (that's been slotted with a Good crystal). Oh, there appears to be a chance of a staff dropping in Deleras that is metal-based, but it's bound to account. So handwraps aren't the only items that are near impossible to find.

[Cardtrick]

While you're looking for DR breaking handwraps, keep an eye out for a DR breaking quarterstaff. Currently, the only sources for a quarterstaff that breaks DR is Metalline of Pure Good, Metalline of Righteousness and Epic Nat Gann's (that's been slotted with a Good crystal). Oh, there appears to be a chance of a staff dropping in Deleras that is metal-based, but it's bound to account. So handwraps aren't the only items that are near impossible to find.

While I agree that this is annoying, it's nowhere near as bad for us acrobats as for the poor monks. We can at least craft Min2's, after all.

[oradafu]

While I agree that this is annoying, it's nowhere near as bad for us acrobats as for the poor monks. We can at least craft Min2's, after all.

Not in it's current state, you can't.

[Cardtrick]

Not in it's current state, you can't.

Well, okay, fine . . . but that's only been true for a few days, and the patch is already up in Lammania.

[nolaureltree000]

One other issue with DR breaking handwraps is that you can't tell they are DR breakers without hovering over them.

well i wish i had know this...


i agree, its stupidly hard to monks to get DR bypassing gear, especially for dark monks. i wasnt able to bypass DR with my monk until after sitting at level 20 for awhile and getting enough stuff together for a holy burst ToD ring. it wasnt one of the rings i wanted, but it at least had relevant stats and i just crafted it anyways because i needed to be able to break DR.

im pretty sure that silver threaded handwrap crafting is bugged too. i saw a post a little while ago where a guy made +4 holy silver handwraps of evil outsider bane or something like that, and he wasnt getting the +4 bonus from it.

[MsEricka]

I can sympathize with acrobats for the most part, but as someone stated you can eventually make a green steel min2 item and bypass DR. And you also have the choice of an epic staff (silver plus a red slot for good).

There are no epic wraps to be earned in game other than the Epic wraps of Endless Light. While those are nice wraps, they don't pass DR and aren't available at any time whenever someone decides they want to make a pair.

Yes metalline of pg handwraps can be found on the AH, but are very rare. I also realize that with the holy burst ring all that is needed is metalline wraps. But I want to craft wraps!

Clearly there's an issue.

[kernal42]

While I agree that this is annoying, it's nowhere near as bad for us acrobats as for the poor monks. We can at least craft Min2's, after all.

On the other hand, at least monks have the possibility of crafting DR breakers via the new system. Unless I'm mistaken (which I certainly hope), there's no silver (or cold iron, or adamantine) quarterstaff in the game that can be deconstructed.

-Kernal

[Soleran]

Found a pair of metalline pure good on the Sarlona AH last week for 150kpp..o_0

The OP is correct, they are stupidly hard to find. The lack of consistency here is that any other melee class can buy a boss beater off the AH easy style if they dont pull one. I even ran shadow crypt until it gave minimum xp due to too much grinding it out. Nada. Then I got lucky on the AH.

I think putting the metal types in the general loot tables would be good enough, with the new crafting system and all.

There are 2 pairs of metalline of pure good on the AH on Thelanis for 1.7 million now lol:)

It's SO past due to have silver handwraps drop as random loot now. Farming a whopping 2 different dungeons for wraps that are supposed to be used in end game (lvl12ish quests) is ridiculous.

The possibility of crafting decent boss beaters is the only reason I spent millions of plat getting my crafting up for my monk.

[Eistander]

I dunno how lucky I am, but I have landed a couple sets of metalline handwraps, not PG but rather standard (one set has maiming).. just bugs me that I needed to wait till I got a ToD ring bursted with Holy Burst to use them properly.. got used to Shintao and the light side of things, so yeah lol..

Outside of that, should be more named wraps outside of the really low level ones we have out now, imo.

[TheIvanovFamily]

If you count up the different weapons sans throwing and qstaves, and assume that a DR oriented weapon drops every run of DA (it doesn't), the chance of getting silver wraps on a particular run is around 0.8%. With each run of DA being 20-25 minutes due to waiting times, that is a horribly time consuming farm.

[Cardtrick]

On the other hand, at least monks have the possibility of crafting DR breakers via the new system. Unless I'm mistaken (which I certainly hope), there's no silver (or cold iron, or adamantine) quarterstaff in the game that can be deconstructed.

-Kernal

Yes, that's mostly true, and it's very unfortunate. I hope it's an oversight that will be fixed as part of the crafting overhaul. I've made some nice +3 Holy Silver/Cold Iron of Outsider Bane greatswords for my Lord of Blades alt, and I miss them on my staff-wielding main character.

You may or may not be aware that there is a way around this, but it requires paying real-life money. I haven't done it yet, but it's an option. Blessed Silver Quarterstaffs are available in the DDO store, and they are indeed craftable. They are currently the only way I know of to have a craftable silver quarterstaff.

[Drakos]

/signed

I got the one pair of silver-threaded handwraps I have off of the AH (amazingly for like 25K). They are +1 silver threaded handwraps of lesser evil outsider bane.

In general Monks need more named handwraps. I don't mind carying different handwraps around for different mobs, but as it stands right now, we don't get alot.

The one issue see with this, and it really isn't a deal breaker, is that if these were commonplace then it would begin to trivialize Shintao. Again, they have other abilities and they can use any handwraps with any properties so they still get a benefit, but it is a concideration.

[Shadowspawned]

Yes, at least have silver threaded wraps drop with the same rate as other weapons so that monks can craft their own beaters.

Agreed, but first they'll need to fix crafted handwraps. Currently the alignment component (holy, anarchic, etc.) isn't working for the purposes of breaking the corresponding DR type, making those +4 silver threaded holy EOB wraps that you might have been slaving for weeks to craft pretty well worthless.

[slimkj]

One other issue with DR breaking handwraps is that you can't tell they are DR breakers without hovering over them. A silver khopesh says it's silver, handwraps don't. It's impossible to search for them on the auction house and for end rewards you must mouse over each one. It's possible that users have passed up DR breaking handwraps because they saw something else shiny that they wanted. If they only saw silver in the name they would have been snapped up.
Wait, WHAT?

All those effing renown tokens I've taken without so much as giving the apparently crappy handwraps a second glance.

[Hendrik]

I like this idea.

Genesai has been posting about some Epic revamp of loot, maybe he would be the guy to shoot this idea toward OP.

[MsEricka]

Agreed, but first they'll need to fix crafted handwraps

Yes they do, but since game changes take months to happen, one would expect that the crafting would be fixed by the time silver threaded and cold iron threaded handwraps could be added to the loot tables.


Wait, WHAT?

All those effing renown tokens I've taken without so much as giving the apparently crappy handwraps a second glance.

That's correct! You need to mouse over every single darn pair to see if they're useful or not, unlike every other weapon in the game that says they're silver in the title.

[khaldan]

Yes they do, but since game changes take months to happen, one would expect that the crafting would be fixed by the time silver threaded and cold iron threaded handwraps could be added to the loot tables.



That's correct! You need to mouse over every single darn pair to see if they're useful or not, unlike every other weapon in the game that says they're silver in the title.

... Just so I'm not going to feel like a complete idiot, this only matters for devil assualt, right?

[thandros]

the probably has to do with teh disparity of metaline between wraps and non wraps
for most weapons metaline is a +3 level ability for example you can easly find a level 4 metaline short sword for example. But for wraps if i remember correctly the minimum level for metaline is 8 or 10? this making it harder to final metaline wraps in random dropswith decent sufixes. Ill have to check again when i am next able to log in

[Tunst]

One other issue with DR breaking handwraps is that you can't tell they are DR breakers without hovering over them. A silver khopesh says it's silver, handwraps don't.

no.
very wrong.
i have a pair of handwraps, and their title is, word for word:
"+3 Silver Threaded Handwraps of Pure Good"



i agree with the rest on the other hand. maybe not about catacombs, but make them drop from more places.
/signed.

[Codect]

no.
very wrong.
i have a pair of handwraps, and their title is, word for word:
"+3 Silver Threaded Handwraps of Pure Good"

That would be due to the lack of a prefix on your handwraps.

[MsEricka]

Just so I'm not going to feel like a complete idiot, this only matters for devil assualt, right?

See below, but I've seen silver threaded handwraps with a prefix and suffix and they do not state silver threaded in their title.


i have a pair of handwraps, and their title is, word for word:
"+3 Silver Threaded Handwraps of Pure Good"

That's because they have no prefix. See they're bloody rare, so I didn't know if they would say silver threaded if they had no prefix.

[Cardtrick]

... Just so I'm not going to feel like a complete idiot, this only matters for devil assualt, right?

Right -- silver-threaded wraps can currently only drop from Devil Assault.

However, it's now worth hovering over pretty much all items in the end reward lists, in all content, to find those with medium or large guild augment slots. These are very useful with the new crafting system, regardless of their prefixes and suffixes, and depending on the item they sell quite well.

[Diyon]

Right -- silver-threaded wraps can currently only drop from Devil Assault.

However, it's now worth hovering over pretty much all items in the end reward lists, in all content, to find those with medium or large guild augment slots. These are very useful with the new crafting system, regardless of their prefixes and suffixes, and depending on the item they sell quite well.

I recall reading someone finding one of the stealthy silver-threaded handwraps in their shroud end reward once. So it may be that they are in the general loot table but very very rare, and probably almost always overlooked. I presume said rare drop rate is higher for DA.

In any case, I think yes, the threaded wraps should be rarer than for other weapons, however, they shouldn't be so rare that I should never expect to to see them. They need to be a good bit less rare IMO.

Also on that note. Quarterstaves really need the metallic material types, its not really excusable. At least with the wraps it kind of makes sense that it would be rarer, and it would make sense with staffs if all they were made out of was wood. But they aren't. Its fairly easily to find steel quarterstaves in game. Yes, staff users can make MinIIs, but this is really still something that should be fixed. It shouldn't even be that hard to fix, wraps at least had the excuse for awhile because they worked completely differently from every other weapon type.

Also, whoever said you can buy silver staffs in the store, awesome, I had no idea. I will now take it into consideration.

[oradafu]

On the other hand, at least monks have the possibility of crafting DR breakers via the new system. Unless I'm mistaken (which I certainly hope), there's no silver (or cold iron, or adamantine) quarterstaff in the game that can be deconstructed.


Yes, that's mostly true, and it's very unfortunate. I hope it's an oversight that will be fixed as part of the crafting overhaul. I've made some nice +3 Holy Silver/Cold Iron of Outsider Bane greatswords for my Lord of Blades alt, and I miss them on my staff-wielding main character.

You may or may not be aware that there is a way around this, but it requires paying real-life money. I haven't done it yet, but it's an option. Blessed Silver Quarterstaffs are available in the DDO store, and they are indeed craftable. They are currently the only way I know of to have a craftable silver quarterstaff.

I brought up in the forum a while ago that there were no randomly generated quarterstaves in the game. Someone pointed out that they do drop as an end reward in Deleras and even had a pic to prove it. After learning this, I have been grind Deleras as often as I can on as many characters as I can. They do drop, but...
1) The staves are Bound to Account. This is both good because they will never get permanent damage and bad because they are not tradeable.
2) The staves do not state if they are metal-based until you actually look at the full description. It's much like the handwraps in this way.
3) I have only seen proof of one randomly generated Cold Iron staff (shown on the forums) and one Byshek staff (one I found in Delera). I finally found it after a year of searching for one and being pointed to Deleras, it took several runs through the chain, but I did get the Byshek staff. Unfortunately, after several other runs, I have yet to find a Cold Iron, Silver or Adamantine staves. I guess there can also be Flametouched Iron staff, but until Metalline is craftable Flametouched can't break DR.

So metal-based quarterstaves are as equally as hard to find as handwraps, with similar issues as handwraps. Hopefully the Devs will put some focus on both of these weapons.

[Relenthe]

make a light monk. :D

[CanuckWench]

/signed

As one of those people that have done Shadow Crypt over 100 times and still no wraps i support this message!

[JollySwagMan]

The funny thing is, it would seem like sewing silver into some handwraps would be easier than forging a silver sword. I'm no tailor/smith so I could be wrong.

If Druids were going to be released any time soon, I could see perhaps a lycanthrope-themed adventure pack which includes a silver blank shop (a la Chronoscope and flametouched iron weapons)...? However thematic this seems to me, it's probably unbalancing.

What I would really enjoy would be an update of some Collectors to give randomly generated silver/cold iron/byeshk etc. weapons, in flavours other than throwing weapons. Tara Wightraven in House D seems a sensible candidate. I like how the crafting update has made some collectibles more useful to the general DDO population. (I've noticed that some collectibles can be put into the Shards altar, even though no recipes involving them exist yet. Might want to make note of those)

[Diyon]

The funny thing is, it would seem like sewing silver into some handwraps would be easier than forging a silver sword. I'm no tailor/smith so I could be wrong.

You would be right there, provided you were making a sword out of solid silver. In PnP, you had weapons that had been "silvered" or essentially, silver plated, and they got like -1 damage.

[Therrias]

( Edit: You know something is controversial when you get both positive and negative reputation for it.)

[Relenthe]

That's what Shintao is for.

Be careful don't say that in this thread, I got neg repped for saying make a light monk lol

[MsEricka]

Using an excuse like Shintao is not the same as having items in the game that should exist, you're trolling in the wrong thread with responses like that.

The facts are that these handwraps are in the loot tables and are not dropping at any appreciable amount and many people want the drop rate increased either within Devil Assault or added to general loot tables.

I'd be fine with doing Devils Assault 10 times to find a pair of silver threaded or cold iron threaded handwraps. However I've run the quest probably hundreds of times because I want the loot and I enjoy the quest and not once have I seen DR breaking handwraps.

[Boegvar]

Monks need more hight level named wraps, because there are no min2 wraps.
I think its ok, that wraps for dark monks are so rare. If you cant find wraps use short swords for bosses and switch to wraps for tod.
Every pre should have advantages and disadvantages to the other pre.
If you want to minmax stay shintao until you get your holy burst on the tod rings and then lesser reincarnated or switch feats, you get every kind of dragonshard needed for 75 argo favor so you wont need to spend tp, and one feat exchange is free.
If you want to complain about the drop rate its fine, i run weapons shipment more than 80 times with my fvs and got no bauble, i run oob about 80 times and dont got spectral gloves, some are lucky, some dont.

[AMDarkwolf]

While you're looking for DR breaking handwraps, keep an eye out for a DR breaking quarterstaff. Currently, the only sources for a quarterstaff that breaks DR is Metalline of Pure Good, Metalline of Righteousness and Epic Nat Gann's (that's been slotted with a Good crystal). Oh, there appears to be a chance of a staff dropping in Deleras that is metal-based, but it's bound to account. So handwraps aren't the only items that are near impossible to find.

Same as the handwraps, I have 2 of these: One is a flametouched iron and other is a cold iron.

They do not have 'flametouched iron' or 'cold iron' in the name, but they are listed when you mouse over them(Same as handwrpas)
I got both of these from deleras as the end reward. Both are quaterstaves.(One was gt of undead bane, other i forgot what it was, since have made both into blanks for future crafting)

So yes they DO exist, just stupidly rare.

[mournbladereigns]

I brought up in the forum a while ago that there were no randomly generated quarterstaves in the game. Someone pointed out that they do drop as an end reward in Deleras and even had a pic to prove it. After learning this, I have been grind Deleras as often as I can on as many characters as I can. They do drop, but...
3) I have only seen proof of one randomly generated Cold Iron staff (shown on the forums) and one Byshek staff (one I found in Delera). I finally found it after a year of searching for one and being pointed to Deleras, it took several runs through the chain, but I did get the Byshek staff. Unfortunately, after several other runs, I have yet to find a Cold Iron, Silver or Adamantine staves. I guess there can also be Flametouched Iron staff, but until Metalline is craftable Flametouched can't break DR.

So metal-based quarterstaves are as equally as hard to find as handwraps, with similar issues as handwraps. Hopefully the Devs will put some focus on both of these weapons.

I know of two named quarter staves that are adamantine, WItching Hour (which drops from big chesti n shadow crypt, lol) and The Theurgic Stave from Ruins of threnal. So yeah, rare.

[Will_Ferrer]

Crafting will become more popular as it improves. I suggest that those farming for material type handwraps keep track of how many runs they have to do before they loot a pair. It worked for other loot like the eardweller, when they saw how many ppl where after it and how many runs it took to get they changed the drop rate and added new drop locations.

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/1619/screenshot00066.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/805/screenshot00066.jpg/)

BTW mine took 35 Devils Assault runs on hard and in that time I pulled 3 other weapons that had special material types paired with pure good or holy

[Forgeborn]

On the other hand, at least monks have the possibility of crafting DR breakers via the new system. Unless I'm mistaken (which I certainly hope), there's no silver (or cold iron, or adamantine) quarterstaff in the game that can be deconstructed.

-Kernal

Well, as I stated before on a different thread, a while back. Quarterstaves can drop with metal types on them, I believe it was Oradafu that asked back then. Mine is +1 acid [Cold Iron] of righteousnesses, for what it's worth.

I'll link the screenshot again just to show that the quarterstaff does exist, on live. I pulled it from the chain end reward of delera's tomb, and it's Bound to Account. (http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t155/Rahvan_Terashi/Game%20related/DDO/ScreenShot00075.jpg)

Back to the thread: Yes, wraps with special material types on it are stupidly hard to find, same with quarterstaves, personally I own a set of flametouched iron threaded random generated handwraps, with holy as a prefix (though they are just called flametouched iron threaded handwraps), which I happened to find by pure chance when I ran it once for low level favor with a friend (he needed a few more favor, hard DA gave it to him). I'd be all up for adding them to the general drop tables (like... almost every other [melee] weapon?).

[Trench]

I just pulled a +1 met of pg quarterstaff for the end reward to Haywire's Foundry on Thelanis.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg69/rhawn_photos/mopgqstf.png

[MsEricka]

Monks need more hight level named wraps, because there are no min2 wraps.
I think its ok, that wraps for dark monks are so rare. If you cant find wraps use short swords for bosses and switch to wraps for tod.
Every pre should have advantages and disadvantages to the other pre.
If you want to minmax stay shintao until you get your holy burst on the tod rings and then lesser reincarnated or switch feats, you get every kind of dragonshard needed for 75 argo favor so you wont need to spend tp, and one feat exchange is free.
If you want to complain about the drop rate its fine, i run weapons shipment more than 80 times with my fvs and got no bauble, i run oob about 80 times and dont got spectral gloves, some are lucky, some dont.

Shortswords? No thanks, I think monks want to do damage.

Shintao? Yet again another poster in this thread misses the point about loot not dropping.

Bauble? Spectral Gloves? That's named loot and has nothing to do with randomly generated handwraps. You have completely missed the point of this thread.

[MsEricka]

I just pulled a +1 met of pg quarterstaff for the end reward to Haywire's Foundry on Thelanis.

Metalline is not a metal type. It is a prefix.

Sure it's good, and yes it bypasses DR, but we're talking about crafting and having a silver or cold-iron item so we can add both a suffix and prefix. When deconstructed a metalline item just becomes a base item, if we want base items we can buy them from the vendor in the harbor.

[Sarisa]

I know of two named quarter staves that are adamantine, WItching Hour (which drops from big chesti n shadow crypt, lol) and The Theurgic Stave from Ruins of threnal. So yeah, rare.

While not specifically a Quarterstaff, the Shining Crescents (http://itemwiki.cubicleninja.com/Items/ItemDetails.aspx?itemID=214) sickle is treated like one. It's a 2-handed slashing Adamantine weapon with higher base damage and allows monks to use it as if it were a quarterstaff. It's light, so it's finesse-able as well.

Still, being a named item precludes it from crafting.

[oradafu]

While not specifically a Quarterstaff, the Shining Crescents (http://itemwiki.cubicleninja.com/Items/ItemDetails.aspx?itemID=214) sickle is treated like one. It's a 2-handed slashing Adamantine weapon with higher base damage and allows monks to use it as if it were a quarterstaff. It's light, so it's finesse-able as well.

Still, being a named item precludes it from crafting.

The problem with the Shining Crescents is that it is a sickle, not a quarterstaff. Since it's a sickle, monks aren't centered when using it. (Ok, it appears I was wrong about monks not being centered with this weapon. It is in fact a Ki weapon.) Since it's not a quarterstaff, Acrobats don't benefit from their perks for using a quarterstaff. (I should clarify and say that I don't know if this statement is completely true...maybe some Acrobat with the weapon (or Dev) can clarify if the speed attack works with this weapon.)

[mboger]

What about adding a shard that will let us add silver/cold iron/flametouch/byeshk(lol)/crystal to base items? What do you say, devs? You can have them made with mystical dried fish/bottles/urns/etc.

[elujin]

dr breaking sjortswords could help you out a bit but its still verry limited option

[Glenalth]

The problem with the Shining Crescents is that it is a sickle, not a quarterstaff. Since it's a sickle, monks aren't centered when using it. Since it's not a quarterstaff, Acrobats don't benefit from their perks for using a quarterstaff.

Pretty sure I was remaining centered and using monk abilities with Shining Crescents when I was leveling my last TR. Even says right on the weapon that monks remain centered while using it.

Can't comment on the acrobat attack speed with it though.

[oradafu]

Pretty sure I was remaining centered and using monk abilities with Shining Crescents when I was leveling my last TR. Even says right on the weapon that monks remain centered while using it.

Can't comment on the acrobat attack speed with it though.

Wow! I could have sworn that it wasn't treated as a Ki weapon. Maybe it does benefit acrobats also. So I guess you can ignore my previous post...

Count that as an oops.

[Diyon]

A note on the quarterstaff end reward from Delera's that sometimes shows up, I just recently got a +2 crippling quarterstaff of pure good with cold iron on it... from the Threnal end reward. I have a screen shot if anyone wants absolute proof, I just didn't feel like dealing with uploading and whatnot.

[Soleran]

I think its ok, that wraps for dark monks are so rare. If you cant find wraps use short swords for bosses and switch to wraps for tod.
Every pre should have advantages and disadvantages to the other pre.
If you want to minmax stay shintao until you get your holy burst on the tod rings and then lesser reincarnated or switch feats, you get every kind of dragonshard needed for 75 argo favor so you wont need to spend tp, and one feat exchange is free.
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Shintao monks aren't defined soley by their ability to break silver dr with just their hands, they get a plethora of other nifty abilities that they can use. They need to put silver wraps in the random loot table and not just one lvl 12 quest.

[oradafu]

A note on the quarterstaff end reward from Delera's that sometimes shows up, I just recently got a +2 crippling quarterstaff of pure good with cold iron on it... from the Threnal end reward. I have a screen shot if anyone wants absolute proof, I just didn't feel like dealing with uploading and whatnot.

Thanks for the information. Although I won't be farming Threnal like I do Deleras, it will give me another place to keep an eye out for it... Now if the Devs could make running Threnal more desirable by fixing the flagging a bit (and maybe giving Coyle a Minos)....

[Glenalth]

A note on the quarterstaff end reward from Delera's that sometimes shows up, I just recently got a +2 crippling quarterstaff of pure good with cold iron on it... from the Threnal end reward. I have a screen shot if anyone wants absolute proof, I just didn't feel like dealing with uploading and whatnot.

These bugged staves show up occasionally in all sorts of bound to account end reward lists, I found a couple useful ones when leveling my last two characters. No material listed in title, material modifier applied, material listed as wood or steel in the durability/hardness box.

[Diyon]

These bugged staves show up occasionally in all sorts of bound to account end reward lists, I found a couple useful ones when leveling my last two characters. No material listed in title, material modifier applied, material listed as wood or steel in the durability/hardness box.

So what you're saying is don't farm Delera's, farm Sharn Syndicate quests? (all have bta end rewards)

[oradafu]

So what you're saying is don't farm Delera's, farm Sharn Syndicate quests? (all have bta end rewards)

I'm pretty sure I can answer this one with confidence by saying that Sharn will not reap metal-based staves or handwraps. Usually it's low level accessories or plain armor as end rewards. Even if it did drop metal-based staves, I doubt the hardness will be higher than 8 or 10, and that's just not useful when I'm breaking staves with the hardness of 15. Hardness shouldn't be a problem with handwraps though, since monks rarely need to repair as often as other melees.

[Aries1040]

I don't remember the quest but I've pulled metaline pure good wraps and it wasn't devil assault so they are out there just have to find them and I've been playing for over a year and never pulled a greater evil outsider bane

[TheDearLeader]

I don't remember the quest but I've pulled metaline pure good wraps and it wasn't devil assault so they are out there just have to find them and I've been playing for over a year and never pulled a greater evil outsider bane

Could be.. Shadow Crypt, if they were named?

Yes, MoPG Exist.. except Metalline is not a Metal Type, it's a prefix. Doesn't help much for crafting, does it?

[Diyon]

Could be.. Shadow Crypt, if they were named?

Yes, MoPG Exist.. except Metalline is not a Metal Type, it's a prefix. Doesn't help much for crafting, does it?

That, and like for quarterstaffs, metalline IS on the random loot table. So metalline pg hw can drop almost anywhere, they are just stupid rare (just not as stupid rare as threaded handwraps).

[MsEricka]

Almost a week later, around 15 more Devil's Assault runs and still no metal type handwraps. But the good news is that I got 4 crossbows and a club!

[Rog]

well i pulled a lot of metalline handwraps if mixed with holy and if that will they break dr then get tod rings. only pair i kept was metalline handwraps of backstabbing +3 then i icyburst them. so with my rings its:holy,lighting,icyburst,backstabing+3 which gives +5 backstab dam and metaline level 18 req why so high i dont know? problem mojo is a main tank so it kills my backstad dam so i use devote handwraps

[TheDearLeader]

Amazingly rare wraps.. it's pretty sad that I could get 5x Silver Khopeshes before any wraps.

[MsEricka]

well i pulled a lot of metalline handwraps if mixed with holy and if that will they break dr then get tod rings

Again you're missing the point.

The whole point is that silver threaded handwraps are stupidly rare and they should be in ALL loot tables, not just in Devils Assault.

Yes I have metalline wraps. Yes I have ToD rings. Who cares. I want silver threaded handwraps to be able to drop from any quest in the game so they can be used for crafting.


Amazingly rare wraps.. it's pretty sad that I could get 5x Silver Khopeshes before any wraps.

I have a bank toon that has 50 Silver weapons of all types, except for handwraps (and bows of course). Mauls, hammers, maces, khopeshes, sickles, great swords and axes etc. Silver weapons are EVERYWHERE, except for handwraps.

[Rellos]

btw for all the acrobats, you can get a blessed silver quarterstaves from the store and break them down. Will count as a good and a silver weapon that you can craft on.

[solacerodgers]

I have 2 sets one actually did come from DA and are +1 holy adam lined hand wraps the second I found on the AH they showed as +1 holy hand wraps and when i previewed then for some reason they were silver lined and I got them for 20k I think or some crazy low price. Now being shintao I dont need these but snagged them up for when I tr again or now to craft on so I am glad I saved them.

[jjflanigan]

Forgive my stupid question (and double apologies if this was stated in the thread and I somehow missed it): Why can silver-threaded handwraps only drop in Devil's Assault?

[Tomalon]

Almost a week later, around 15 more Devil's Assault runs and still no metal type handwraps. But the good news is that I got 4 crossbows and a club!

You need to run The Crypt with Silversong she pulls the wraps like they gems. I have seen her pull 4 sets now....one i have on my monk i never play.:eek:

[MsEricka]

You need to run The Crypt with Silversong she pulls the wraps like they gems. I have seen her pull 4 sets now....one i have on my monk i never play.

Shadow Crypt. You probably aren't aware but I was one of the first on Sarlona to pull the Devout handwraps and if I remember right, was the first to post a screenshot of them on the forums.

The devout handwraps are not silver threaded and are not craftable.

[tihocan]

Forgive my stupid question (and double apologies if this was stated in the thread and I somehow missed it): Why can silver-threaded handwraps only drop in Devil's Assault?
Because devs said so.

[PestWulf]

I know they are low level, but would the Silver Threaded Handwraps that are from the Catacombs end reward help folks at all? I've ran that quest series many times and they are pretty much always in the end reward loot list. I believe they used to be Eternal Rest, but now they are different. The ones I got a couple days ago are +1 silver threaded lesser undead bane I believe.

[jjflanigan]

Because devs said so.


I saw the post saying they could drop in DA, but I didn't see anything where they said they could ONLY drop in DA -- that's what was causing my confusion.

[TheDearLeader]

I know they are low level, but would the Silver Threaded Handwraps that are from the Catacombs end reward help folks at all? I've ran that quest series many times and they are pretty much always in the end reward loot list. I believe they used to be Eternal Rest, but now they are different. The ones I got a couple days ago are +1 silver threaded lesser undead bane I believe.

No.

They are named, and therefore not craftable.

[Tomalon]

Shadow Crypt. You probably aren't aware but I was one of the first on Sarlona to pull the Devout handwraps and if I remember right, was the first to post a screenshot of them on the forums.

The devout handwraps are not silver threaded and are not craftable.

Must have missed the whole "craftable" part of the thread lol.

[PestWulf]

Must have missed the whole "craftable" part of the thread lol.

Actually didn't miss the craft part, was just lead astray in my thinking from what I was reading. It was sounding like monks had no real hope of silver threaded anything besides farming a quest or two for the craft-able ones. So thought i'd just offer up that i'd seen some end-rewards ones in catacombs.

[Glenalth]

I know they are low level, but would the Silver Threaded Handwraps that are from the Catacombs end reward help folks at all? I've ran that quest series many times and they are pretty much always in the end reward loot list. I believe they used to be Eternal Rest, but now they are different. The ones I got a couple days ago are +1 silver threaded lesser undead bane I believe.

They can be useful for breaking DR along with something else that adds good to your strikes.

Are you saying that you pulled an item that was +1 Silver Threaded Lesser Undead Bane that was not actually named and not Eternal Rest (silver threaded, ghost touch, lesser undead bane)?

[PestWulf]

They can be useful for breaking DR along with something else that adds good to your strikes.

Are you saying that you pulled an item that was +1 Silver Threaded Lesser Undead Bane that was not actually named and not Eternal Rest (silver threaded, ghost touch, lesser undead bane)?

No. I double checked when I got home from work. They are still named eternal rest, they just have the lesser undead bane added onto the silver thread and ghost touch properties. I was mistaken in thinking they were named silver threaded.

[FastTaco]

If your wanting to trade for a pair of craftable silver thread handwraps then be prepared to pay a small(huge!) fortune.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=321896

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?p=3844256&posted=1#post3844256

[MCPeePants]

So one of them goes for 2M plat and 8 large scales, and there is an offer for 10 of each large (except arrowheads), 2M plat, a GS blank, and a bracers of the claw scroll for another.

Is it even possible at this point to argue that the drop rate is beyond insane? The prices these things are going for exceeds epic scrolls.

-Scroll of the Envenomed Cloak - ~2.5m in larges
-Scroll of the Envenomed Cloak - Traded w/1Flawless Red for Gloves of the Claw Scroll
-Scroll of the Sacred Helm - 200k
-Scroll of the Time blade - 100k
-Scroll of the Scorched Bracers - ~1.6m in larges
-Scroll of the Boots of corrosion - 4Flawless Reds +200k
-Scroll of the Goggles of Time Sensing - 1red
-Scroll of the Charged Gauntlets - 5 Flawless Reds
-Scroll of the Envenomed Cloak - 4 Flawless Reds
-Scroll of the Timeblade - 50k
-Scroll of the Ravens Sight- 150k
-Scroll of the Helm of frost - 3reds
-Scroll of the Envenomed Cloak-4reds
-Scroll of the Hellstroke Greataxe 1red
-Scroll of the Schoched Bracers- 1red
-Scroll of the Hellstroke Greataxe-2LDS
-Scroll of the Envenomed Cloak-4reds
-Scroll of the Helm of Frost-2reds
-Scroll of the Boots of Corrosion-3reds
(taken from here: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=299333)


I have to echo JJFlanigan's sentiment of confusion: Why?

[MsEricka]

Why? The simple answer is one set to rule them all (bad joke i know).

I'm aware of the value of the wraps, but think for one minute here. How much would a set of silver threaded handwraps with a large guild augment slot be worth?

Might as well just offer the seller your account as the sale price.

Wake up devs, we need a solution to this issue.

1) Sell silver/cold iron/adamantine wraps in the store (not my favorite idea!)
2) Make them drop from any quest (do it now please!)
3) Let monks deconstruct named handwraps (again not my favorite idea)
4) Give the Epic Mabar wraps a red slot (workable, as long as the wraps weren't exclusive and you brought mabar back)
5) Give the Epic Mabar wraps metalline properties (overpowered in my opinion)
6) Simply increase the drop rate (a lot) of these wraps in Devils Assault

Honestly, options two and four and six are the best bets for us monks. But for now I'm even willing to buy them in the store because it would be months before randomly found ones would stabilize in price and become reasonable.

[MCPeePants]

Just so we're clear, we're in agreement here. I posted the going prices of the wraps and scrolls to illustrate just how bad the drop rate is, it seemed like there was doubt earlier in the thread as to whether it was a problem or not.

I'm pretty sure I remember a comment from one of the devs that Mabar wraps are now considered OP (I'll try to find it), so I don't think we'll be getting any help in the form of augmenting them. And I'm not sure how I'd take it if they were available in the DDO store but still didn't drop in quests (though I read it as an option in desperation, and I totally empathize). Really the only viable option, to me, is to allow them to drop in all quests, and I can't think of a single good reason why they don't. Really the only reason I _can_ think of, at all, is malice, which I don't believe is the case.

The sad truth is: We'll never know why, and it's not likely to change. I've got 6 runs done so far, I'll update as I go and post how many it takes to get my wraps. (Not feeling very lucky, though--I pulled a set of +3 Cold Iron Holy/PG (http://sadtuba.com/) on my second run.)

[MsEricka]

Call me a believer. Shortly after I posted above I ran Devil Assault AGAIN and what popped up?

+5 Cold Iron Studded Handwraps of Pure Good

!!!!!!!!!!

No, they're not silver, but they're something at least. Continuing the hunt after this.


http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/6417/screenshot00037o.jpg

Allow me to state though, simply because I found these tonight does not mean much. I have run Devils Assault easily over 200 times on my toons and this is a first. DR breaking handwraps are stupidly rare, and we need that fixed. I also edited my above post to add solution #6.

[Tomalon]

Call me a believer. Shortly after I posted above I ran Devil Assault AGAIN and what popped up?

+5 Cold Iron Studded Handwraps of Pure Good

!!!!!!!!!!

No, they're not silver, but they're something at least. Continuing the hunt after this.


http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/6417/screenshot00037o.jpg

Allow me to state though, simply because I found these tonight does not mean much. I have run Devils Assault easily over 200 times on my toons and this is a first. DR breaking handwraps are stupidly rare, and we need that fixed. I also edited my above post to add solution #6.

LOL some Dev thru that in your chest to shut you up!!!!:eek:

[TPICKRELL]

#7 Add a 20th completion reward list to DA similar to raids or Tide Turns

[MsEricka]

LOL some Dev thru that in your chest to shut you up!!!!

That's entirely possible :)


#7 Add a 20th completion reward list to DA similar to raids or Tide Turns

Not a bad idea either, at least there could be a goal to work towards other than "maybe if you run this quest 500 times you'll see someone else pull silver-threaded handwraps who doesn't need them but decides to auction them"

[Dasthug]

20th completion reward for norm/hard DA would be better than nothing, but even that as the only bone would be a pretty trite move by the devs; It's less of an unnecessary hurdle than farming shadow crypt for what are very mediocre wraps at high level, but it would still be a totally unnecessary hurdle.

As far as I'm concerned, there really is no acceptable action the devs can take other than removing this bogus line in the sand separating handwraps from all other weapons. Make them drop just like every other type of weapon in the game and be done with it. At this point there is no excuse.

[Munkenmo]

Not that it'll make you feel any better mserika, but i'm running this 5-10 times per day across my toons.

So far i've pulled 3 silver longswords, 1 cold iron khopesh and 1 silver khopesh.

every time i run this i end up filling it with guildies or pugs just to increase my chances of seeing them drop.

So far I've seen (not pulled, just seen :( ) 2 metal handwraps

1 flametouched iron pure good
1 holy adamantine

Compared to what i've pulled though aswell as knowing others have looted metal weapons, wraps are noticeably rarer.

I'll start keeping tabs on weapons, metals and quantities from now on though, perhaps a new eardweller style thread is in order.

[pleistocene]

Wow!

This thread is epic..

I mean..I didn't realize such wraps existed until I saw them on this thread..

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=316204&page=4

Well now that I know it's from DA, and that it takes a whole life time to get, and the cost of your entire account...this is absolute absurdity...and that I think in all these types of wraps should be dropped far more frequently..as I've never even seen one being pulled, or pulling one..

/signed

[MeliCat]

Found a pair of metalline pure good on the Sarlona AH last week for 150kpp..o_0

The OP is correct, they are stupidly hard to find. The lack of consistency here is that any other melee class can buy a boss beater off the AH easy style if they dont pull one. I even ran shadow crypt until it gave minimum xp due to too much grinding it out. Nada. Then I got lucky on the AH.

I think putting the metal types in the general loot tables would be good enough, with the new crafting system and all.

pg is no good if you want to go neutral - which is a preference for many to avoid some of the incoming damage from certain mobs and also if you want to get benefit from a lotd.

OP, def there needs to be more or better options for DR breakers.

[TPICKRELL]

pg is no good if you want to go neutral - which is a preference for many to avoid some of the incoming damage from certain mobs and also if you want to get benefit from a lotd.

OP, def there needs to be more or better options for DR breakers.Unless it was changed recently, handwraps do not enforce the PG restrictions that other weapons have. So a Neutral monk can still use most PG hand wraps. The only exception I'm aware of are the Devotion named handwraps.

This is likely a bug and could be fixed, but it's worked that way for a long time.

[slimkj]

I'd like to add my name to the list of those bored of DA Hard and wondering how it can be justified that wraps are singled out and difficult to get. Put them in the store or let them drop in normal loot tables, please.

Crafting has taken the exclusivity away from a lot of previously difficult to access items or variants thereof. I'd like to see this for dr-breaking wraps too.

[MCPeePants]

If you're like me, since the forum restructuring abortion if something isn't on the front page then it pretty much doesn't exist. To make this more than a shameless bump, here's a link to the earlier referenced statement that Mabar wraps are OP:

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=150534
"Items

The Big Top hat's bandana has changed from red to tan.
The Wraps of Endless Light are doing more damage than intended. This will be fixed in a future update."

It's an "Official Know Issues" <shudder>...


In other news, I've slowed down a bit--only about 15 runs so far. I didn't realize that quest completion counts don't increase on capped characters, so I'm taking screenshots now to keep from losing count.

[Qindark]

(...)I have a bank toon that has 50 Silver weapons of all types, except for handwraps (and bows of course). Mauls, hammers, maces, khopeshes, sickles, great swords and axes etc. Silver weapons are EVERYWHERE, except for handwraps and quarterstaves.

fixed.

[Glenalth]

fixed.

The occasional silver, adamantine, and cold iron quarterstaff does drop from Red Fens end rewards. You have to look closely because it doesn't show up in the item name.

In addition you can buy blessed silver and cold iron from the DDO store.

[IBCROOTBEER]

I'm just adding my voice to the thread. It is rediculously difficult to get DR breaking handwraps. The hate against monks should end. First step to recovery should be more available DR handwraps. At least could make them in the DDO Store like the quarterstaves; however, both shoudl ahve better in game drop rates and locations.

[goodoldxelos]

They arn't suppose to be easy to get. I have every single pair of metal based handwraps except cold iron.

[weewoo0]

They arn't suppose to be easy to get. I have every single pair of metal based handwraps except cold iron.

well. how much did you spend?

i'm sorry but simply looking at some of the prices offered for these wraps on my server i'm started to get a little ticked off at the hard DA drops since they're refusing to drop... we're talking about 45-50 total ransacks and having never seen a single set of metal wraps on either normal or hard (i did get a devil's ruin crystal...)...

they really really need to fix this

[simo0208]

/signed

[goodoldxelos]

Not signed, stop complaining and run DA... also constantly ask around via trades to get them. What's a game without an adventure to try to see if you can get something difficult. They are basically epic handwraps when finished so any of those easy methods to get them would be ridiculous. See picture below

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5743/metalhandwrapsglore.th.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/69/metalhandwrapsglore.png/)

[Soleran]

Not signed, stop complaining and run DA... also constantly ask around via trades to get them. What's a game without an adventure to try to see if you can get something difficult. They are basically epic handwraps when finished so any of those easy methods to get them would be ridiculous. See picture below

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5743/metalhandwrapsglore.th.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/69/metalhandwrapsglore.png/)


/Hand

How is DA hard lvl 12 dungeon hard for my epic geared monk in any way shape or form or the 60 plus DA runs, grats on your drops man seriously but I've picked up SCADS of silver weapons except handwraps. They aren't hard to farm they are ridiculously tedious and not warranted.

[Carpone]

Not signed, stop complaining and run DA... also constantly ask around via trades to get them. What's a game without an adventure to try to see if you can get something difficult.
The drop rate is incredibly low. My guild has run hundreds of hard DAs (* full group = thousands of pulls from the chest that drops them) and not a single pair of silver handrwraps has dropped. They're so rare, people are offering Marilith Chain scrolls for silver handwraps.

[Tygre]

can also drop from the end of Co6 chain... just found a +1 Holy Silver QStaff... hope for the acrobats (a little anyways)

[Ravaloft]

/Signed.

Just about everything I've read shows something broken with monks handwraps.

[Backley]

can also drop from the end of Co6 chain... just found a +1 Holy Silver QStaff... hope for the acrobats (a little anyways)

True of all chain reward lists that give BTA weapons.

[ulticleo]

They arn't suppose to be easy to get. I have every single pair of metal based handwraps except cold iron.

why? why should they be hard to get? why should *dark* monks be singled out to not break DR? *Every* character in the game can *easily* break DR. GS, cannith crafting, or just met of pg random drop. Don't you think it is a little ridiculous that monks have a harder time getting silver threaded HW than most fighters do getting eSOS?
Before shintao3 and cannith crafting, I remember seeing a set of met of pg HW go for 4mil plat.

There is absolutely no reason for silver threaded HW to be so rare.

[MsEricka]

Not signed, stop complaining and run DA... also constantly ask around via trades to get them. What's a game without an adventure to try to see if you can get something difficult. They are basically epic handwraps when finished so any of those easy methods to get them would be ridiculous. See picture below

See now you're just trolling.

If you had a half a clue you would know that DR breaking handwraps had their drop rate stealth increased for update 10. Many monks are reporting the wraps dropping on all difficulties now, and dropping more often.

Thread not responded to by a dev = sad
Ninja increased loot drops = good

However, I still feel that DR breaking handwraps should be able to drop in any quest. For now though, let this thread die as many people are pleased with the drop rates.

[ZzpxpzZ]

Has anyone figured out the details of the stealth drop rate increase?

Is the drop rate up on all difficulties or only elite/epic?

Do silver wraps drop more frequently on higher difficulties or just better wraps?

[MsEricka]

From what I've heard they drop quite regularly on epic, and are also dropping on elite now as well.

Unsure of drop rates though.