Is hold monster superior to hold person?

[praetor]

It seems to me like Hold Person covers a subset of the targets of Hold Monster. Is this correct?

[Kalari]

Hold person- Humanoids, (elfs, humans, regular dwarfs, halflings maybe missing some)

Hold monster- giants, trolls, orcs, druegar, drow scorrow, and monsterous humanoids I believe.

Theres a reason why you have both one holds humanoid types the other holds monster types but some monster types even though they look human like giants and duegar are only affected by hold monster.

[Kadran]

Hold person- Humanoids, (elfs, humans, regular dwarfs, halflings maybe missing some)

Hold monster- giants, trolls, orcs, druegar, drow scorrow, and monsterous humanoids I believe.

Theres a reason why you have both one holds humanoid types the other holds monster types but some monster types even though they look human like giants and duegar are only affected by hold monster.

You sure? I thought they were immune to all mind effecting, like holds, paralyzers, etc.

But the main point is correct. Person works on people. Monster works on far mor targets, including but not limited to people.

[Kalari]

You sure? I thought they were immune to all mind effecting, like holds, paralyzers, etc.

But the main point is correct. Person works on people. Monster works on far mor targets, including but not limited to people.

I dont think they are but I'll have to go run that quest out in Ataraxia's again to make sure im pretty sure hold monster worked on the and ive seen them paralyzed before. They have incredible saves but they can be held last I remember.

But of course I do drink some so my memory is sketchy :)

[Kaldais]

Pretty sure Hold Monster works on all creatures with an intellegence. Ofcourse deuguars and forged are innately immune.

[Lithic]

I dont think they are but I'll have to go run that quest out in Ataraxia's again to make sure im pretty sure hold monster worked on the and ive seen them paralyzed before. They have incredible saves but they can be held last I remember.

But of course I do drink some so my memory is sketchy :)

Duergar are immune to all paralysing effects including hold spells (both kinds), paralysing weapons, and earth grab (not 100% on EG, but pretty sure). Its like they are WF dressed up as the children of drow + dwarves.

[Qzipoun]

It seems to me like Hold Person covers a subset of the targets of Hold Monster. Is this correct?

Yes, which is why hold monster is a higher level spell

Note that hold person affects more than just the playable races, orcs, hobgoblins, gnolls and probably more are affected by hold person

[Kalari]

Duergar are immune to all paralysing effects including hold spells (both kinds), paralysing weapons, and earth grab (not 100% on EG, but pretty sure). Its like they are WF dressed up as the children of drow + dwarves.

k i'll believe it I really dont feel like running threw Ataraxias and it has been awhile and as I said before brain cells aint what they used to be so I definitely could be wrong about Duegars I just swore I saw them held before.

And yes Quizpon is right about the other mobs that can be held to I was just going off the top of my head.

I dont think its about superiority as much as its about use and both spells have usefulness. anything that can stop a mob so the party or yourself can beat it down is a spell worth having.

[vVAnjilaVv]

Duergar are very susceptible to water.....dirty miners!!!! :D

Hold Monster is far superior, it holds anything that hold person does and almost everything it doesn't.

[JoeSkull]

Hold Monster is far superior, it holds anything that hold person does and almost everything it doesn't.really?? If so then hold monster kicks ass!

[sirgog]

really?? If so then hold monster kicks ass!

Wait till you get Mass Hold Monster at 18th level on a Sorc or 17th on a Wizard...

The only advantage Hold Person has is a lower spellpoint cost.

[Jay203]

Wait till you get Mass Hold Monster at 18th level on a Sorc or 17th on a Wizard...

The only advantage Hold Person has is a lower spellpoint cost.

which really doesn't matter if you have heighten on =P

[sirgog]

which really doesn't matter if you have heighten on =P

It's still lower, as pretty much anyone with Heighten will take the enhancements to lower the cost of Heightened spells.