WTTor B Full Plate of the Defender and WoP rant

[bartcom2000]

I am looking to buy/trade for a set of "Fullplate of the defender" that drops in vision. anyone have a set and willing to give it up? I have plat and some decent weaps. Let me know your requirements.


BTW, I finally Got a WoP heavy pick, so I put on my bloodstone and made my way to the desert, giggiling like Peter Griffin (family guy)all the way to the knoll's. well, I went to town on 'em only to notice that they were not dropping like all the hype:confused:, so I GH'ed myself with the trusty Planar Gird and comminced the whuup arse, meh:(, only a moderate edge over my flame bursts of greater x bane or vorps. So I am left wondering, why the hell would anyone spend 1,000,000 Plat or more for this type of item. yeah its nice but not worth more than a 1MM gold at the most.

Now I know that it is not the Holy Rapier with the crit range but it is still a one- handed piercing weap. The hype is way too over rated. My +2 vorpal longsword of pure good + GH + Bloodstone mows the mobs faster.;)

[Eldun]

You obviously have a great handle on the game's dynamics. I have a set of the armor for you to buy also!!

:p

[Memnir]

bound (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bound) loot (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/loot)


Just trying to be, ya know, helpful & stuff.

[Dktr]

I am looking to buy/trade for a set of "Fullplate of the defender" that drops in vision. anyone have a set and willing to give it up? I have plat and some decent weaps. Let me know your requirements.



This is bound raid loot. In other words, it cannot be traded. However, if it drops in the chest for someone in your group, you could always pay them to reassign it to you.

[ArkoHighStar]

raid loot is bound, so while your deal is not impossible, you need to be in a group that gets it, and have the person willing to trade for it, instead of taking it or putting it up for roll.

[Ilundel]

Hum, first off the Full Plate of the Defender that drops in Vision of destruction is a raid loot. What this means is that it is automatically bound to the character who loots it so no matter what you are willing to offer to get one, no one will be able to trade it to you.

Second, WOP weapons are a moderate edge or a non edge on anything prior to Gianthold, especially on normal or in outdoors area. When you get past Gianthold (Vale and especially Reaver's refuge) you will start seeing a bigger difference. In those quests, especially on elite, WOP's will outkill any DPS weapon by a large margin. BTW, try running Prey of the hunter on normal and kill the Giants with a burst or greater bane weapon or a vorpal, you will find that those Giants on normal have a huge amount of hit points and that they are immuned to Vorpals.

The only reason you don't see the hype why WOP weapons are so highly rated is that your test ground wasn't even close to what end game content looks like. When you get there, you'll see why these babies are worth so much in trades or on the AH.

[bartcom2000]

nice... whatcha want fo it.....

Lets see, I have 3 copper festivault tokens, a couple of festival twigs, and 20, count them, t-w-e-n-t-y.. lumps of coal. I might be persuaded to give the whole bundle away for the armor. if that is too much for you just send me a wish list or plat range and I am sure we can deal.......

I might even throw in my eternal wand of cure miniscule wounds 1d2 - 1 all day long baby!!!!

BTW.. in game name is Kindread lvl 14 Pali.

It would be funny to assign attributes to wands like weapons visious wand of cure light. or vorpal wand of cure moderate.. or crippling wand of haste...... that would rock

[bartcom2000]

raid loot is bound, so while your deal is not impossible, you need to be in a group that gets it, and have the person willing to trade for it, instead of taking it or putting it up for roll.




Holy molley it's bound ehhhh....**** guess I gotta earnit then..lol kk

thx all

[Onesikpup]

About the WoP pick......it really isnt an ideal WoP weapon. What with the low crit range and the fact that you probably arent speced fro piercing types either I am not surprised to hear that you are disappointed with it. I dont carry WoPs on my ftr/barbs either.

But dont sell yourself short either...WoPs are great fro Ranger/Rogue types (im sure there are some other builds) that have TWF and are usually speced for pierce and finesse. To those, it is worth something.

[Deathseeker]

Ok, this should help you understand the WoP issue...

A WoP heavy pick, xbow, light pick are not much better than a basic wounder. A dagger and shortsword are great, and a rapier is by far the most devastating weapon in the game (non-red named, non-undead).

The key is the crit range on the puncturing, combined with any seeker bonus you may have to enhance the amount the puncturing occurs. And as such, having the imp crit pierce feat is critical to the puncturing damage.

The pick and rapier wound at the same rate. But a rapier Punctures 3 times more than a pick. Puncturing is the more powerful of the two effects, here's why...

If you only hit a mob on an 11, but have a bloodstone and crit accuracy enhancements, the puncturer will get confirmed on every crit, but the wounding will only hit on a 10 or above, and only when you break DR.

So the wounder will contribute 1 pt of con damage on half your swings, so .5 per swing, no matter the type of weapon.

But the puncturing, on a rapier, with imp crit, and +10 confirm bonus, will hit on 30% of your swings on that same mob, for 3.5 con pts each. That's 1.05 con per swing. Combined, that's 1.55 per swing.

Compare that to a basic WoP pick, no confirm bonus, no imp crit, hitting on an 11+. That's .5 per swing for the wounding (no difference) but puncturing on only 5% of your swings (due to critting on a 20) and then confirming only 50% of the time. That's a puncture proc rate of 2.5% x 3.5 avg puncture = .09.

So your WoP pick with no enhancements/feats gives you .59 per swing (when you hit on 11+), while a rapier with max enhancements gives you 1.55 per swing. Trust me, that difference is night and day. Once you've seen/used a WoP rapier with someone spec'd for it, you'll understand why it changes the game completely...whether its for good or bad is up to the observer.

(ps...if anyone sees a math error just shout out)...

[bartcom2000]

Hum, first off the Full Plate of the Defender that drops in Vision of destruction is a raid loot. What this means is that it is automatically bound to the character who loots it so no matter what you are willing to offer to get one, no one will be able to trade it to you.

Second, WOP weapons are a moderate edge or a non edge on anything prior to Gianthold, especially on normal or in outdoors area. When you get past Gianthold (Vale and especially Reaver's refuge) you will start seeing a bigger difference. In those quests, especially on elite, WOP's will outkill any DPS weapon by a large margin. BTW, try running Prey of the hunter on normal and kill the Giants with a burst or greater bane weapon or a vorpal, you will find that those Giants on normal have a huge amount of hit points and that they are immuned to Vorpals.

The only reason you don't see the hype why WOP weapons are so highly rated is that your test ground wasn't even close to what end game content looks like. When you get there, you'll see why these babies are worth so much in trades or on the AH.


Yeah, this is where my lack of experience or understanding comes in. WoP's pick on Con right? so if you have an 18 con or 100 con then it doesnt matter its just a matter of time till you willte down the stat instead of the HP. so Unless there are certain buffs or what have you, the lower level dungeons should be easier to wipe with a WoP instead of the higher end dungeons... I hear ya man but just not getting you.... I guess I will see first hand once I get to the lvl's you are describing. but intill then I will stick w/ my DPS and bring out the WoP when I get bored. Thanks for your response though

[bartcom2000]

You obviously have a great handle on the game's dynamics. I have a set of the armor for you to buy also!!

:p


I see above that the armor is bound but if by some miracle you do have an unbound set please let me know.


Ok so if it is bound, that lends me to ask, what is the best FP outthere that is unbound (please no Tor Scale rants, that armor cant be the best). If anyne has an extra set of the best unbound let's talk here. I have plat and beer!

[Thrudh]

FYI

Assuming you only miss on a 1

A plain old wounder in 20 rolls
1 miss
2-20 1 point of CON damage
19 TOTAL

A w/p pick with Improved Critical: Pierce
1 miss
2-18 1 point of CON damage
19-20 9 points of CON damage ((1 point from wounding, 3.5 (average of 1-6) from puncturing)x2)
26 TOTAL

A w/p rapier with Improved Critical: Pierce
1 miss
2-14 1 point of CON damage
15-20 27 points of CON Damage (4.5 x 5)
40 TOTAL

So a w/p rapier does 110% more CON damage as a plain old wounder while a w/p pick does 37% more CON damage.

So you can see the difference...

Plus, as others have stated, in the lower levels monster hit points are better balanced... DPS kills them nearly as quick as CON damage...

In the current end-game, there are creatures with thousands and thousands of hit points... It's a lot faster to kill them with CON damage than DPS.

Keep the pick... it's still 37% more CON Damage than a plain old wounder... it will serve you well someday.

[bartcom2000]

FYI

Assuming you only miss on a 1

A plain old wounder in 20 rolls
1 miss
2-20 1 point of CON damage
19 TOTAL

A w/p pick with Improved Critical: Pierce
1 miss
2-18 1 point of CON damage
19-20 9 points of CON damage ((1 point from wounding, 3.5 (average of 1-6) from puncturing)x2)
26 TOTAL

A w/p rapier with Improved Critical: Pierce
1 miss
2-14 1 point of CON damage
15-20 27 points of CON Damage (4.5 x 5)
40 TOTAL

So a w/p rapier does 110% more CON damage as a plain old wounder while a w/p pick does 37% more CON damage.

So you can see the difference...

Plus, as others have stated, in the lower levels monster hit points are better balanced... DPS kills them nearly as quick as CON damage...

In the current end-game, there are creatures with thousands and thousands of hit points... It's a lot faster to kill them with CON damage than DPS.

Keep the pick... it's still 37% more CON Damage than a plain old wounder... it will serve you well someday.


Ok... I see so I should thow my punk Arse Pick to the dogs ehh..... anyone have a rapier they wanna donate to me for a comaprison test....lol:p I still don't know how people even get the xMM's of plat to even buy one in the first place, unless they partake of the gold for Currency sites...hehe

[Renegade66]

I see above that the armor is bound but if by some miracle you do have an unbound set please let me know.


Ok so if it is bound, that lends me to ask, what is the best FP outthere that is unbound (please no Tor Scale rants, that armor cant be the best). If anyne has an extra set of the best unbound let's talk here. I have plat and beer!

They are all bound. I will offer you this though. Add my alts to your friends list and when you're on send me a tell. I'll try to get you in our Vision runs. Everyone that wants a set of the Full Plate already has it, so if it drops, odds are that it will be your's.

There wouldn't be any charge, but if you stink, you'll have to put up with our abuse. Small price to pay I think, especially since it's all in fun.

[juniorpfactors]

I am looking to buy/trade for a set of "Fullplate of the defender" that drops in vision. anyone have a set and willing to give it up? I have plat and some decent weaps. Let me know your requirements.


BTW, I finally Got a WoP heavy pick, so I put on my bloodstone and made my way to the desert, giggiling like Peter Griffin (family guy)all the way to the knoll's. well, I went to town on 'em only to notice that they were not dropping like all the hype:confused:, so I GH'ed myself with the trusty Planar Gird and comminced the whuup arse, meh:(, only a moderate edge over my flame bursts of greater x bane or vorps. So I am left wondering, why the hell would anyone spend 1,000,000 Plat or more for this type of item. yeah its nice but not worth more than a 1MM gold at the most.

Now I know that it is not the Holy Rapier with the crit range but it is still a one- handed piercing weap. The hype is way too over rated. My +2 vorpal longsword of pure good + GH + Bloodstone mows the mobs faster.;)



wop heavy pick....... is pretty ghetoo, puncturing only on 19-20 on most toons ... thats the problem, and you need to be dual wielding them, Rapiers and SS are much much better

jrp

[Deathseeker]

WoP's pick on Con right? so if you have an 18 con or 100 con then it doesnt matter its just a matter of time till you willte down the stat instead of the HP. so Unless there are certain buffs or what have you, the lower level dungeons should be easier to wipe with a WoP instead of the higher end dungeons...

Here's what your missing. Yes, the Con scales up as the dungeon gets harder. But so does HP. The key here is that on many of the higher level mobs, the HP scales up faster than your damage output, so the mobs take longer and longer to kill. However, their Con, while it does scale up, scales at a rate that is nowhere near what the HP scales. Their Con may double or triple...but their HP may go up by 10x or 20x. Since your DPS doesnt go up at that same rate, eventually Con damage becomes much, much, much faster to kill the mob than does DPS.

This becomes very evident on Giants in Prey on the Hunter and Sorjak, where the difference in time to kill is so striking that its like playing two different games.

[gfunk]

I think all you guys have been sucked in by the OP, he is certainly joking.

Either that, or he bought his account.

[Renegade66]

I think all you guys have been sucked in by the OP, he is certainly joking.

Either that, or he bought his account.

Ha ha, you're right. He's been around since June 06. Good stuff man.

[ace_mason]

Ha ha, you're right. He's been around since June 06. Good stuff man.

Notice how many posts he has? He has 6 all of which are in this thread. Hmmm:confused:

[bartcom2000]

I think all you guys have been sucked in by the OP, he is certainly joking.

Either that, or he bought his account.

Nope didnt buy it... just a noob returning from a loooooong hiatus. I capped when the cap was 10 then left to play BF2, COD4, and others, came back in Julyish. Lots has changed. no WoP issues then..lol wasn't really joking either just totally out of the loop on the power gaming strategies. Been looking at the forums the past few days and thought I would tryto use the marketplace for some tradin.

anyhoo. I will add renegade to friends list and put on my thick skin so the berating doesnt stick... lol I don't stink but I am sure I am not l33t either... now get me on BF2 and the story might be different...lol

About the Armor, Just looking for some good mitheral for my pali his AC sucks and nothing good is on the AH. Any suggestion would be helpfull

[ace_mason]

What lvl is your pally. ill get you a set of mith breastplate.

[bartcom2000]

What lvl is your pally. ill get you a set of mith breastplate.

any assistance with the full Plate would be wonderfull, i do have plat for ya if you find some.

Lvl 14.3 atm his in game name is Kindread I also have a 13 sorc that i suck at named Fierra~Thelanis

Much appreciated guys!
I am in game right now.... will be on for about 30 more mins b4 i have to go back to work

[Foxracing74]

About the Armor, Just looking for some good mitheral for my pali his AC sucks and nothing good is on the AH. Any suggestion would be helpfull

FYI about your armor issue, these days buddy if you do not have a 60+ AC you an't squat even then with your 60 AC you join REN on the old Vision run the "Red Named Orthons" are going to still hit you like candy. I have come to find out AC DOES NOT "REALLY" matter a whole lot in this game, your best bet is to have a WOP or a good DPS item ( such as "Shroud weapons: Lightning Strike, Mineral II, Earth Grab, ETC. and the main key is b/c AC does not matter alot a GOOD CLERIC. If you need any help with money or anything feel free to contact me will be glad to assist. My alts are in sig. Thanks and LONG LIVE Xortiat


Peace Out TULA

[bartcom2000]

FYI about your armor issue, these days buddy if you do not have a 60+ AC you an't squat even then with your 60 AC you join REN on the old Vision run the "Red Named Orthons" are going to still hit you like candy. I have come to find out AC DOES NOT "REALLY" matter a whole lot in this game, your best bet is to have a WOP or a good DPS item ( such as "Shroud weapons: Lightning Strike, Mineral II, Earth Grab, ETC. and the main key is b/c AC does not matter alot a GOOD CLERIC. If you need any help with money or anything feel free to contact me will be glad to assist. My alts are in sig. Thanks and LONG LIVE Xortiat


Peace Out TULA

Well...Hmmm.. Ok, will do man. i will add your name and hope to see you in game. AC 60 at my lvl and considering my gaming habits may be a little higher than I know how to achieve right now. but atm my toon is sitting at 34 AC (311 HP) on lvl 14.3 (seems low to me) I would just like to get into the 40's or 50's, up my con some and learn to DPS correctly. Then I think this toon will be golden. Not really interested in PvP tuned Stats.

I have not run any of the real Upper end quests yet, am prepping for shroud so all of the crafted Items will take alot of time as well. As for the WoPs, recent education has enlightened me to the math involved and also seems the easiest way to be pertinate for the party.

If your assistance offer includes a WoP Rapier and/or the plat to buy one, then I'm down like a clown!!! right now I only have +3 elemental bursts type weaps, with the standard vorps, smiters, banish, para's ( and apparently a ghetto WoP Pick!!). I do have a sweet +3 Transmuting Rapier of PG that helps. so I'll Def hit you up in-game man.

Really don't mean to turn this thread into a big rapp session I will still gladly trade or buy some sweet armor with some one.

and by the way what realistic price would a WoP rapier go for here in the forums. I can afford some things (as i am not broke) but I just don't have Millions of plat or Large components to offer up, Especially with the rumor of Nerf in the air.
Anybody with more WoPs than appendages please let me know what you are looking for and If I can't get it, my Guildies just might drool enuff to hand it over for trade.

[cypan41]

You will need millions of plat and Lots of large ingredients (think about 50) for a w/p rapier.

[bartcom2000]

You will need millions of plat and Lots of large ingredients (think about 50) for a w/p rapier.

wow thats alot.... wouldnt it be easier to just trade for the right ingredients and craft an item? probably cheaper too. I am still thinking WoP is over rated even if it is nice to have. I definatly wouldnt pay Millions of plat for one. But I really did not know how much they go for anyway so this has been good info for me. and since not alot of peeps have one anyway, my other weaps kinda keep me in the kill count ball park. thanks for the info.

I think I will start another thread for the armor.......