Monetary reward or possibly items given for deleting high lvl chars.

[wolfy42]

Many of us are being forced to delete high lvl characters to open up slots for monk.

I personally believed that 1 extra character slot was being held back for release with monks...and planned on using that slot.

Not happening though.

Therefore some form of reward would be nice for deleting your previous characters (possibly requiring a quest). You could call it a reincarnation reward or something.

Maybe reincarnation would reset you back to lvl 1, let you choose your race and class again etc but have the following effects:

28 point builds can be re-rolled as 32 point if you now have the favor available.
All tomes used on the previous character carry over to the new reincarnated character.
Any bound items owned by the previous character carry over to the new character.

This could make the process of deleting characters not quite as painful and actually useful in some way.

In addition reincarnation might even be used to give a slight boost to the character above the ones already listed....as an incentive for starting over.

Perhaps the boost could be in the form of a fixed experience bonus for all quests = the level of the character you deleted (so a 16 lvl character would have a fixed 16% increase to experience from all quests).

Just an idea to make this process a bit less painfull. I have only deleted 1 character so far (which was all I was planning on deleting as I expected to have an extra slot). I had to delete my war bard:(

I have no clue what I will delete next, but it would be nice if some way to make it less painful was added.

[wemery73]

/signed :)

i wanted to make a monk :(

[Aranticus]

Many of us are being forced to delete high lvl characters to open up slots for monk.

no one forced you. you have the option of deleting or not deleting


I personally believed that 1 extra character slot was being held back for release with monks...and planned on using that slot.

Not happening though.

nothing concrete was said


Therefore some form of reward would be nice for deleting your previous characters (possibly requiring a quest). You could call it a reincarnation reward or something.

Maybe reincarnation would reset you back to lvl 1, let you choose your race and class again etc but have the following effects:

28 point builds can be re-rolled as 32 point if you now have the favor available.
All tomes used on the previous character carry over to the new reincarnated character.
Any bound items owned by the previous character carry over to the new character.

This could make the process of deleting characters not quite as painful and actually useful in some way.

i like this idea


In addition reincarnation might even be used to give a slight boost to the character above the ones already listed....as an incentive for starting over.

Perhaps the boost could be in the form of a fixed experience bonus for all quests = the level of the character you deleted (so a 16 lvl character would have a fixed 16% increase to experience from all quests).

Just an idea to make this process a bit less painfull. I have only deleted 1 character so far (which was all I was planning on deleting as I expected to have an extra slot). I had to delete my war bard:(

I have no clue what I will delete next, but it would be nice if some way to make it less painful was added.

i like this too. just so long what we are given is material i'm all for it

[Theboz]

if you had planned ahead, instead of play a guessing game you would have save a spot, and would not had to delete any toons


/Not signed

[Angelus_dead]

if you had planned ahead, instead of play a guessing game you would have save a spot, and would not had to delete any toons
You mean, he should've planned ahead that Turbine would be absolutely stupid when releasing monks in module 7?

Well excuse us for having a shred of optimism.

[Bexo]

Not signed,

buy a second account like i did ages ago.

[Gluegun]

Nothing was promised.
Nothing was given.

Monetary compensation??? Still ROFL with tears in my eyes about that one.
You want tomes, pp, items and this and that and a little more of everything...
Please...ROFL... make him stop ... ROFL .... oh the pain ... ROFL ... try for a deep breath ... ROFL

Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency. Life isn't fair .. either RL or MMO alt lives...

People wishing for stuff on forum doesn't mean the DEV are going to give it. If it isn't written by a real DEV (and sometimes not even then) ... your SOL

Off to find the Easter Bunny cause sooo mnay people say he's real....

[wolfy42]

Wow.

I can't believe how antagonistic people are lately.

What is wrong with the reincarnation idea? How would that detract from the enjoyment of the game?

Did I start screaming "Give me another slot!!! WaaaaaaH!!?"

Nope I thought of a way to make deleting characters less painful for everyone not just now, but in the future as well.

It would also possibly give people incentive to re-roll characters once maxed and help keep people playing DDO longer.

And dev's do read these posts, we get replies from them all the time. Suggesting ideas is the only way we can help contribute to DDO's future.

If you don't like it fine, but I don't think you even read what I suggested.

I didn't say "Give us tomes for deleting our characters".

I said "Allowed tomes used on a character to carry over when you reincarnate".

What is so wrong about that?

I didn't say "Give us items for making us delete characters"

I said "Allow bound items to carry over to the reincarnated character".

Again...all it does is allow you to almost continue playing your character after you max him or her out. It allows you to re-roll characters without ditching everything you have gained while playing them.

Personally I think it would add alot to the game.

[Aesop]

I personally am hugely disappointed in not having a spare slot given. We've been saying for the longest time that when a new race or class is added that they need to add another slot. This is kinda a no brainer honestly. The fact that they didn't plan ahead for it is a really a little sad to me.

That said I did plan ahead and had a character pre set for for a Monk release... since Head Start. Unfortunately due to the implementation I may need to reroll... which is slightly annoying but I'll get over it.

Also just to play Devils Advocate I will point out the only Deve response to this I've seen thus far


We know there's a lot of demand for more character slots! We're still in the early stages of planning for additional slots; more slots will be available at some point in the future, but we we're not able yet to talk about how or when they'll be rolled out.

I'm still a bit upset... no I'm a bit ****ed that this is still in the early stage of planning as we've had several multi page threads on this going back as far as Mod 3 and I don't understand the difficulty here. I deleted all extraneous characters during the merge so that I didn't exceed the max and I really really do not think that having to regrind out the favor on a second account is something I want to do. I don't do big guilds because there are too many big egos there so I don't have a ready supply of people helping me to do the whole Favor Grind thing and I don't really want the extra expense nor the extra time spent to do such.

I like all my characters ... they have a personality of their own that makes them unique and interesting. As such I don't like deleting them if I have a choice unless I'm rebuilding them. With litteraly thousands of Builds possible choosing just a few and sticking with them has always chaffed especially when there are so many things that get added to the game.

Turbine we love the game, I think you know that we do ... but some of us want to actually play the game and not grind forever so hurry up and open more slots. Please. And while you're at it add an option to buy more slots. I don't want to grind for more favor if I can avoid it... that just bores me

Aesop


edit: I just want to add a thank you to Tolero for the Dev Response on this. It is an important issue and I believe that a lot of upset could have been avoided had the Devs simply stated that they hit a snag in releasing extra slots due to some <insert technical term here> that made proper implementation difficult but not to worry more slots will be forthcoming as soon as <inser technical term here> is overcome

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I'm still a bit upset... no I'm a bit ****ed that this is still in the early stage of planning as we've had several multi page threads on this going back as far as Mod 3 and I don't understand the difficulty here. I deleted all extraneous characters during the merge so that I didn't exceed the max and I really really do not think that having to regrind out the favor on a second account is something I want to do. I don't do big guilds because there are too many big egos there so I don't have a ready supply of people helping me to do the whole Favor Grind thing and I don't really want the extra expense nor the extra time spent to do such.

I like all my characters ... they have a personality of their own that makes them unique and interesting. As such I don't like deleting them if I have a choice unless I'm rebuilding them. With litteraly thousands of Builds possible choosing just a few and sticking with them has always chaffed especially when there are so many things that get added to the game.

Turbine we love the game, I think you know that we do ... but some of us want to actually play the game and not grind forever so hurry up and open more slots. Please. And while you're at it add an option to buy more slots. I don't want to grind for more favor if I can avoid it... that just bores me

Well stated, I agree



edit: I just want to add a thank you to Tolero for the Dev Response on this. It is an important issue and I believe that a lot of upset could have been avoided had the Devs simply stated that they hit a snag in releasing extra slots due to some <insert technical term here> that made proper implementation difficult but not to worry more slots will be forthcoming as soon as <inser technical term here> is overcome

/looks around

Huh? Where did she comment on this, I don't see it above or in dev tacker :confused:

[Thrudh]

It was an extremely stupid move on Turbine's part not to give us an extra character slot...

It was just as stupid not to respond to the DOZENS of threads asking about it.

[Bexo]

If you cant be bothered buying a second account then you dont love the game as much as I did. SHAME on you people.

[arcticwolf666]

You mean, he should've planned ahead that Turbine would be absolutely stupid when releasing monks in module 7?

Well excuse us for having a shred of optimism.


Except for the fact that no extra slots was confirmed a long time ago. Everyone else knew no other slots were going to open. So yes, planning should have been there, and no reward option for not paying attention.

/Not Signed

[Angelus_dead]

Except for the fact that no extra slots was confirmed a long time ago. Everyone else knew no other slots were going to open.
That is not true.

Not only were the lack of extra slots not confirmed 18 months ago when it mattered, they also weren't confirmed 2 weeks ago.

[arcticwolf666]

That is not true.

Not only were the lack of extra slots not confirmed 18 months ago when it mattered, they also weren't confirmed 2 weeks ago.


It was when Turbine never replied to all the requests, and no mention at all in the release notes. The notes have been out for some time. I deleted a character as well, but it was only a test character. Besides, I am not to fond of monks. I guess I just have to get used to it lol

[Razvan]

Many of us are being forced to delete high lvl characters to open up slots for monk.

I personally believed that 1 extra character slot was being held back for release with monks...and planned on using that slot.

Not happening though.

Therefore some form of reward would be nice for deleting your previous characters (possibly requiring a quest). You could call it a reincarnation reward or something.

Maybe reincarnation would reset you back to lvl 1, let you choose your race and class again etc but have the following effects:

28 point builds can be re-rolled as 32 point if you now have the favor available.
All tomes used on the previous character carry over to the new reincarnated character.
Any bound items owned by the previous character carry over to the new character.

This could make the process of deleting characters not quite as painful and actually useful in some way.

In addition reincarnation might even be used to give a slight boost to the character above the ones already listed....as an incentive for starting over.

Perhaps the boost could be in the form of a fixed experience bonus for all quests = the level of the character you deleted (so a 16 lvl character would have a fixed 16% increase to experience from all quests).

Just an idea to make this process a bit less painfull. I have only deleted 1 character so far (which was all I was planning on deleting as I expected to have an extra slot). I had to delete my war bard:(

I have no clue what I will delete next, but it would be nice if some way to make it less painful was added.



BHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH....


funny, you just made my day!

[JacknCoke]

Many of us are being forced to delete high lvl characters


No one is holding a gun to your head, therefore you are not FORCED to do anything.
But then again its an attitude like the above that makes people cry out they "worked hard" for so n so and deserve so n so. Instead of the "played hard".

[ThrasherGT]

Ya know, this sooooooooo reminds Me of My pen 'n paper days. We had a good group of 6-8 peeps that showed up religiously for our weekly game (I'd still be playing w/ them if I didn't move out of state) and I remember how they would react when one of their characters died...........Oh, the whining, the throwing of dice, the storming out of the room, the arguing. LOL! I used to tell them: "Man! It's just a piece of paper! Shut up and roll Your next guy already!

Since there is No way to "die" in DDO, this equates to deleting and rerolling a character. So I'll say it again: Quit yer *****ing and just delete a character if You want a Monk! Or don't! It's not like You can't get good/ Uber gear again..........SHEESH!

[TommyBoy]

What is wrong with the reincarnation idea?


Well seeing as the devs say they cant add a slot and have to research it. And the adding of a slot is mostlikely a simple code line change and what your asking is a lot more work. I don't know what is wrong with it?


on a side note I'de lay bets that its sooner then later on the extra slot.

[arrrcher]

sigh. I shouldnt bother, but sometimes something needs to be said. mainly its others' vitriol here that's motivating me. sadly, it seems to be occuring with greater frequency.

given: we are all customers; no customer's opinion about a product or service is more valid (or less) than another's. like it or not, we're all equals.

so my issue: saying someone's ridiculous for stating their dissatisfaction regarding a product or service offered by a company is absurd. logically, that's tantamount to saying no one has a right to complain about anything a company does. fine if you feel you have your due for your paid fee regarding a particular issue, but no one has the right to whine about or belittle other customers demanding their due (as they percieve it). this is especially true if the complaint is made in a contructive, polite manner, as in the case of the op (imo).

Turbine doesn't need any apologists.

DDO's admin could do themselves a favor and provide a rationale for their decision (maybe they have I dont know); unless they're worried the rationale would be offensive to the customer base... at this point we can only guess. but that's not really the point of this post.

at this point, however, I might as well weigh in on the issue (for all the effect it will have): I dont believe we're getting the extra slot OR any compensation otherwise, regardless of how much we protest. so we all have a choice: accept it, protest more and hold out hope for some redress, or quit paying your fee;).

flame on I guess. sigh.

[arcticwolf666]

sigh. I shouldnt bother, but sometimes something needs to be said. mainly its others' vitriol here that's motivating me. sadly, it seems to be occuring with greater frequency.

given: we are all customers; no customer's opinion about a product or service is more valid (or less) than another's. like it or not, we're all equals.

so my issue: saying someone's ridiculous for stating their dissatisfaction regarding a product or service offered by a company is absurd. logically, that's tantamount to saying no one has a right to complain about anything a company does. fine if you feel you have your due for your paid fee regarding a particular issue, but no one has the right to whine about or belittle other customers demanding their due (as they percieve it). this is especially true if the complaint is made in a contructive, polite manner, as in the case of the op (imo).

Turbine doesn't need any apologists.

DDO's admin could do themselves a favor and provide a rationale for their decision (maybe they have I dont know); unless they're worried the rationale would be offensive to the customer base... at this point we can only guess. but that's not really the point of this post.

at this point, however, I might as well weigh in on the issue (for all the effect it will have): I dont believe we're getting the extra slot OR any compensation otherwise, regardless of how much we protest. so we all have a choice: accept it, protest more and hold out hope for some redress, or quit paying your fee;).

flame on I guess. sigh.


When people were asking, then escalated to demanding a new character slot for mod 7 (I even asked and got a no response), the answer was a consistant no, then you knew it wasn't going to happen. By reading the release notes, zero mention of a new character slot, which backed up the "no new character slot" ideal. When 7 went live, more and more people are now upset because no new character slot was created. This was a lack of attention, and now people are not happy because something did not happen "their way". That is the only reason I got upset. That is like a kid asking nicely all day for a cookie, parents say no, then they get upset because they (the kid) thought he/she was going to get a cookie.

Believe me, I wish they would have given out a slot as well, but proper planning from all the information coming in said otherwise, and I refuse to get mad because of it, and the people working at Turbine for some trivial thing that was never promised is getting old in these forums. A lot of people believe this is Burger King and they should get it their way. Now, should the OP have asked about it, like the multitude of other threads, in a constructive manner, instead of complaining of "being forced" to delete a character to make a monk, then things more than likely would have been different. Sorry OP, I do not feel sorry for you, but the information was out there. If you didn't want to delete a character, then there are other servers to build a monk on.

[Thrudh]

Oh I don't believe they ever promised anything...

I just can't believe they didn't do it... I'm mad at them for being DUMB

(But very happy at them for other things... see my other posts).

Still, not giving everyone an extra slot, or even SAYING yea or nay EXPLICITLY after dozens of posts is just plain DUMB from a business and customer service perspective.

[arcticwolf666]

Oh I don't believe they ever promised anything...

I just can't believe they didn't do it... I'm mad at them for being DUMB

(But very happy at them for other things... see my other posts).

Still, not giving everyone an extra slot, or even SAYING yea or nay EXPLICITLY after dozens of posts is just plain DUMB from a business and customer service perspective.


Oh I agree, however, posting at how Turbine "forced" you to delete a character and being mad is utterly ridiculous. I am very happy with this game and I do not like some things, I am sure everyone has a good and bad view, but why post that you are upset and forced to do something when it was never said that there was going to be a new slot? I agree that Turbine should have responded with a yay or nay, but nothing being said and taking the assumption that there was going to be a new char slot, and being upset because one wasn't programmed in is wrong as well. It just promotes flaming IMO, and I think some people post just to get people to flame. Maybe not the OP on this subject, but look at some of the posts from some of the people. Enough is enough already lol.

[wolfy42]

Ok let me cover a few points.

First I "assumed" that there would be a new character slot because of a rumor I guess going around that a final slot had always been held back for when monks were released. I saw this rumor posted enough over a long enough time I thought it was official. Stupid of me? Yes I guess so, but I've seen it for years now.

Second I did not go create a thread crying for a new slot, but instead I posted an idea I thought would add to the game as a whole even for people who don't want to play monks at all. It would be very cool to have reincarnation in the game especially if the idea was expanded on and you could slowly boost your characters power through rituals done when sacrificing a capped lvl 16 character (maybe +5 max hp per re-incarnation or something like that).

Third the quotes of me saying we are forced to delete characters were taken out context.

I did not say turbine FORCED us to delete our characters but instead I said we are forced to delete characters to open up a slot for a monk.

That is true as long as we already had all previous character slots used.

If you didn't have them all used and you have played for 2 years without using all your character slots because you eventually realized that monks would come out and you wanted to have a free spot for them.....more power to you.

I doubt many people actually did that (and am surprised if anyone did).

Do I think we should have gotten an extra slot? Yep.

Can I understand if it can not be implemented right now? Sure.

I made a suggestion for an alternative solution to the problem that would help make the process of deleting ANY future characters less painfull. In addition it could add to the longevity of a characters life by allowing you to continue to build up the character through multiple incarnations.

My suggestion was not a criticism of turbine, it was not a whine, it was an idea I think can help make DDO more fun.

If you don't agree, fine, state your reasons and we can discuss them if you want.

The only reason I have heard so far that this would be a bad idea is that it would take too much work to code.

That is a valid reason and I think it would not be something that could be implemented until the next mod release.

That does not make the idea bad though, it just means it won't be in effect for awhile.

[Slapphappy]

Give me another slot!!! WaaaaaaH!!

[Varr]

From my point of view, I have little empathy for the people that have more character slots then they are supposed to due to the server merge. I do though think that since we are in the right ball park of classes to slots, as long as it is simular, it makes little sence to have more or less slots than player classes. There are 10 player classes now and only 9 slots. It makes sence to be able to have one of each class since they are so close. If there were 14 classes I would suggest there should be 14 slots. Now if there were 30 classes, we might be talking about a different equation, but at 10.........there should be 10 imo.

[Ghoste]

How is this suggestion fair for those of us who have planned and managed our character slot numbers responsibly? Shouldn't players get a greater reward for practicing self restraint and educating themselves by researching this topic on the forums ahead of time? (ie. knowing despite the rumors that Turbine has never promised such a thing).

[Ilundel]

Very simply put, I have 9 currently CAPPED toons, I play this game probably around 30-40 hours a week. Like some, this is the ONLY game I play. After capping a toon, you get tired of raiding and loot running. Solution? you make another toon and start over. What happens when you played this game since launch at 40+ hours a week? You CAP 9 toons. Basically had I not created a 9th toon, I would not have played the game for the most part of the last month. Now what do you do when that happens? You try new games and leave. Now, the fun of having new content is that you have something to keep you playing this game. It is not bad planning on anyones part that they filled the allowed slots, it was because they wanted to enjoy this game. Now that we have new content, and we need to delete toons to enjoy a portion of it, it is extremely frustrating. No amount of trying to point the fault our way will make us feel like we have done anything wrong in expecting Turbine to keep us happy and give us the tools to enjoy the new content. It has nothing to do with a kid wanting a cookie, in fact it has all to do with enjoying the product we are PAYING for. When I go to a car dealership and the saleman tells me that the car has an inbuilt GPS but I cannot in any way access it, will I actually trust this saleman that this car is what I should be spending my money on? I doubt that. And no, even if he told me that all I need to do to access the GPS is to take out the radio, it will not make me happy or content.

Now get off the OP's back, he had a valid point presented in a valid way, based on very real concerns on his part. I like his ideas, he at least is trying to improve the game.

Lastly, Turbine has not said no to new slots - they ignored the question period. They have not responded in any way about people expressing concerns. I may be wrong here, but I do try to stay in touch with these boards and I have not seen any mention of this from Turbine until AFTER the mod was released.

[Turial]

How is this suggestion fair for those of us who have planned and managed our character slot numbers responsibly? Shouldn't players get a greater reward for practicing self restraint and educating themselves by researching this topic on the forums ahead of time? (ie. knowing despite the rumors that Turbine has never promised such a thing).

Your right its not fair to you and others who properly managed characters, but the current system is not fair to players who were forced over the character limit cap during the merge when they had characters on other servers and now have to delete multiple characters, including ones they may play frequently, in order to experience the new content in this mod.

[Ghoste]

Your right its not fair to you and others who properly managed characters, but the current system is not fair to players who were forced over the character limit cap during the merge when they had characters on other servers and now have to delete multiple characters, including ones they may play frequently, in order to experience the new content in this mod.
I agree it makes sense to find a way to allow for more character slots. Absolutely agree there, even though it does not affect me...yet.

The op is trying to come up with creative ideas to resolve this issue, but this current idea is as likely to anger some players, as it is to please others.

[Ciaran]

How is this suggestion fair for those of us who have planned and managed our character slot numbers responsibly? Shouldn't players get a greater reward for practicing self restraint and educating themselves by researching this topic on the forums ahead of time? (ie. knowing despite the rumors that Turbine has never promised such a thing).

Um, all I've ever seen said has been "There's no decision on that at this time" (go read on of the articles in which Kate was intereviewed).

And rewarding players for practicing self-restraint? In a video game that is designed to get people to play them frequently? Sorry, having a hard time following that train of thought.

I don't agree with the notion of monetary reparations or in-game items, but please don't make this about "self-restraint" or some such silly BS. With the content available in game, a lot of your more active players roll alts and try out different builds. As the point of making a video game is for it to be fun, putting players in a position where they have to make the choice to:

A) Delete an existing character of the 9 they have that they play a lot
B) Roll a new character on another server away from their friends
OR
C) Miss some of the new content (monks)

Is not a good place to put your players in. No, nobody is forcing anybody to delete a character or leave their server for another one to try out the monk class, and of course if they want to do so badly enough they'll find a way, but having to make this decision instead of being able to roll a new monk on the server they play on the most (or the only server they play on) just isn't right.

[wolfy42]

Ghoste,

You seem to be right. For some reason my idea which should affect all players equally is making people mad.

Even if you don't currently have all your slots used up being able to reincarnate capped players could be fun.

In addition players learning the game who make mistake (or don't have 32 point builds open yet) can reincarnate and keep many of the bound items they have found and even tome bonuses they may have aquired. That would be useful for casual players as well.

Reincarnation could only be available IF you have 9 current characters or less...so it has not direct effect on the over max # of character issue etc.

I just think it would be nice for us to be able to keep our bound haste clickies, tome bonuses etc when we end up having to reroll a character. I think it would be an advantage for everyone.

Anyway I can see the suggestion is too contraversial right now.

[Dark_Helmet]

Ya know, this sooooooooo reminds Me of My pen 'n paper days. We had a good group of 6-8 peeps that showed up religiously for our weekly game (I'd still be playing w/ them if I didn't move out of state) and I remember how they would react when one of their characters died...........Oh, the whining, the throwing of dice, the storming out of the room, the arguing. LOL! I used to tell them: "Man! It's just a piece of paper! Shut up and roll Your next guy already!

Since there is No way to "die" in DDO, this equates to deleting and rerolling a character. So I'll say it again: Quit yer *****ing and just delete a character if You want a Monk! Or don't! It's not like You can't get good/ Uber gear again..........SHEESH!

BTW: MY PC didn't die I am still running him, so this is like a new low level group... Where we just pulled out ANOTHER Character Sheet and rolled a new Character up.

I didn't pull out my eraser and erased everything on my existing sheet. :rolleyes:

[Aesop]

Well stated, I agree




/looks around

Huh? Where did she comment on this, I don't see it above or in dev tacker :confused:

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?&postid=1730480#post1730480

that's where the quote was

Aesop

[ROVER]

Since they said that another character slot is not a viable option I guess it is a good time to introduce the old reincarnation idea.
About monetary compensation and/or xp it is not necessary (i would even pay for it) having all your favor, bound items and the chance to made changes to your stats and skills will be great (my builds are good on the skills, but all of them have eaten a +2 intel tome, on most of them that will be like 12-14 skill points more, i will reincarnate most of my characters just for that)

[Hendrik]

Your right its not fair to you and others who properly managed characters, but the current system is not fair to players who were forced over the character limit cap during the merge when they had characters on other servers and now have to delete multiple characters, including ones they may play frequently, in order to experience the new content in this mod.

You do NOT need a Monk to play the new content.

And has everyone forgot what Samera told us about the merge and character slots? She told us what would happen, we ALL were informed and if you did not pay attention to her, TS.

[Angelus_dead]

You do NOT need a Monk to play the new content.
Considering that monks are the new content, that doesn't seem quite true.

Did you see the name of module 7? "Way of the Monk", they call it...


And has everyone forgot what Samera told us about the merge and character slots? She told us what would happen, we ALL were informed and if you did not pay attention to her, TS.
Oh really? She said "Two years from now we'll be stupid and not grant new slots when adding new classes?" I really didn't notice that part.

Newsflash: even if there hadn't been a server merge, they needed to add new slots at (or shortly before) the time they added a new class.

[Angelus_dead]

Anyway I can see the suggestion is too contraversial right now.
A problem with your suggestion is that it's a little complicated, meaning it would take some programming work to make it happen. And if they had the programmer man-hours and the willingness to do something about this, they could simply add a few new slots or otherwise avoid the problem entirely.

[Zippo79]

in response to the OP about not having enough slots yeah I think you couldve planned better so in that respect im /not signed but on the other half of the post for the "reincarnation" I think its an interesting thought and def. worth looking into at the very least /signed

[KristovK]

/not signed

We were never EVER told we'd get another slot with Mod 7, that was never once confirmed by anyone from Turbine. If you listened to rumors...well...that's your own fault now isn't it? Reminds me of some friends who went and bought up thousands of Heal scrolls because someone told them they heard from someone else that someone else told them that they heard they've be removed from the vendors. Mind you, this was right before they removed some scrolls from the vendors, and they even told us exactly which scrolls were going to be removed...Heal, obviously, wasn't one of those. But these friends of mine heard a rumor and they believed it, despite being shown the exact list of scrolls to be removed..after all..someone's friend of a cousin of a friend of a girlfriend of a man walking by told them it was going to happen!

And what is this about capped characters? Since when did you hit cap? There is no cap to date, there is a level limit that's being raised every so often, but there's no cap. DDO isn't finished, we've been told more than once that the game will go into Epic levels, so we're no where near cap at this point. If you think that 16th level is the end of a character's life...well...that's too bad, but I do understand it's a pretty common misconception, people listen to rumors and don't bother to actually read what's been printed by the company.

And no one is forcing you to delete a character, that's your personal choice. There IS another option that doesn't involve getting another account, make a character on another server.

Me, I knew we weren't getting another slot, that's been pretty clear for a while now, so I made sure I had a slot to use for a Monk. Meant deleting a few toons, but so what, they are just bits of information in a database, it's a GAME after all, it's not like I've actually got anything other then my leisure time invested in them. If you have some sort of attachment to a character in a video game...you got bigger problems besides whether or not we get another slot.

[VirieSquichie]

Not signed,

buy a second account like i did ages ago.

Send me the monthly dues and I'll buy a second account.

Until then, I'm one person and I'm paying one person's fee to play the game. If the developers choose to make it so I run out of interesting things to do without deleting existing, still-played characters, then I'll eventually wander off and take my money with me. Until then, they get exactly *one* player's worth of money out of me. As it is, I regularly play several characters as the variety of their different abilities partly counteracts the fact I'm still playing the same content over and over.

And, I enjoy playing with the group of people that I typically play with on Thelanis. There is absolutely no incentive for me to create a character on one of the remaining servers where I will be without any useful gear or people I know/like/trust to have my back.

[LordHeimlich]

I like the "reincarnation" idea. I've long believed that there should be some way to re-roll a character. Maybe not change its race or class, but at least its stats (and, while we're at it, its appearance) and start back at level 1. I realize we can just delete it and re-roll, but then we have to transfer all the items we want to keep and all that, and that gets annoying.

We can pay $9.95 to change our name. Why not a way to change our character completely? Maybe limit it to once a year or something...

[ahpook]

When people were asking, then escalated to demanding a new character slot for mod 7 (I even asked and got a no response), the answer was a consistant no, then you knew it wasn't going to happen. By reading the release notes, zero mention of a new character slot, which backed up the "no new character slot" ideal. When 7 went live, more and more people are now upset because no new character slot was created. This was a lack of attention, and now people are not happy because something did not happen "their way". That is the only reason I got upset.

You got a response that said "No" or you got no response? AFAIK, there were a lot of questions about whether there would be a new slot a never any answer. Can you post a link to your "No"? There was a new slot for Drow and a new slot for 32 point builds so one for monks was not an unreasonable expectation.


That is like a kid asking nicely all day for a cookie, parents say no, then they get upset because they (the kid) thought he/she was going to get a cookie.

Unless, you can link to your "No" response then its more like the parents ignoring the kid all day and then being suprised when the kid is upset at the end of the day.

[Shadowblizmasta]

9 character slots per server and people complain? Most games you don't have nearly that many. 9 is plenty, more than enough if you ask me.

[tomasdarkell]

/not signed

[Twerpp]

I like the unmarked grave in Deleras idea...

[Ilundel]

/not signed

[...]We were never EVER told we'd get another slot with Mod 7, that was never once confirmed by anyone from Turbine. [...]


We were NEVER told we wouldn't either. They ignored it. Actually they specifically said in many interviews that it was undecided at the time.



And what is this about capped characters? Since when did you hit cap? There is no cap to date, there is a level limit that's being raised every so often [...]


So what are we supposed to do if we got 9 toons at the level limit, bored of raiding and loot running? Oh I guess that all that's left is re-roll a monk - WAIT I can't unless I delete a toon that's not at the max cap right?



And no one is forcing you to delete a character, that's your personal choice. There IS another option that doesn't involve getting another account, make a character on another server.


Oh so your telling me I have to dump all my friend, all my guildies just to be able to enjoy the new content? Sorry but telling me I gotta go to another server isn't an option. So in essence their decision IS forcing me to delete a toon that I do not want to delete only to enjoy the content i'm paying for



Meant deleting a few toons, but so what, they are just bits of information in a database, it's a GAME after all, it's not like I've actually got anything other then my leisure time invested in them. [...]


Sure you may like deleting toons that are enjoyable to play, that you've spent countless hours building and levelling and getting equipment for, but I don't. I see no reason why we shouldn't be expecting a new slot, in my opinion there is no argument that justifies me having to make this choice, period

[Attomic]

I guess folks have never heard of the idea of not assuming...

[TechNoFear]

if you had planned ahead, instead of play a guessing game you would have save a spot, and would not had to delete any toons


/Not signed

QFT

[wolfy42]

This was only ment to be a suggestion for a hopefully positive change in DDO. Not a flame thread or even a thread complaining about not getting another slot.

I'd rather everyone just drop this discussion at this point as it is no longer about my suggestion but seems to have evolved into arguments about extra slots etc.

That was not my intention and there are plenty of other threads out there for the discussion.

If so many people are against the chainge there is no way it is going to be implemented so it's a dead issue anyway.

[Dariuss]

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z204/jwpotter/blogger.jpg

[Aesop]

9 character slots per server and people complain? Most games you don't have nearly that many. 9 is plenty, more than enough if you ask me.

just pointing out that DDO has more character options and variety. No other MMO out there has the diversity of possible characters and because of that people who like to build characters come here for it. In other MMOs you can make a mage and thats what it willl be because there is little variation. In DDO with all the choices and options no two mages are the same.

More choices means you need more room to experiment. Without it people feel constrained to only create the tried and proven characters. Not very exciting in my book. Lots of slots means people trying new concepts and builds and finding new ways to do many things.

I'm just saying that one of the strengths of DDO is its variety and multifaceted character design process. The limitation on this is character slots. No one really likes to delete a character they've poured hours days and weeks of time into. Eventually you run out of room.

I feel that the argument that 9 slots is more than you get in most MMOs is kinda moot because in most mmos you don't have that experimental aspect that you do in DDO. the rest I've already stated so I'll stop there

Aesop

[nittuo]

Many of us are being forced to delete high lvl characters to open up slots for monk.

I personally believed that 1 extra character slot was being held back for release with monks...and planned on using that slot.

Not happening though.

Therefore some form of reward would be nice for deleting your previous characters (possibly requiring a quest). You could call it a reincarnation reward or something.

Maybe reincarnation would reset you back to lvl 1, let you choose your race and class again etc but have the following effects:

28 point builds can be re-rolled as 32 point if you now have the favor available.
All tomes used on the previous character carry over to the new reincarnated character.
Any bound items owned by the previous character carry over to the new character.

This could make the process of deleting characters not quite as painful and actually useful in some way.

In addition reincarnation might even be used to give a slight boost to the character above the ones already listed....as an incentive for starting over.

Perhaps the boost could be in the form of a fixed experience bonus for all quests = the level of the character you deleted (so a 16 lvl character would have a fixed 16% increase to experience from all quests).

Just an idea to make this process a bit less painfull. I have only deleted 1 character so far (which was all I was planning on deleting as I expected to have an extra slot). I had to delete my war bard:(

I have no clue what I will delete next, but it would be nice if some way to make it less painful was added.


You're joking, right?

/so not signed!!!

[Allice]

just pointing out that DDO has more character options and variety. No other MMO out there has the diversity of possible characters and because of that people who like to build characters come here for it. In other MMOs you can make a mage and thats what it willl be because there is little variation. In DDO with all the choices and options no two mages are the same

Aesop

There is actually one other game that does have more versitility in classes then DDO. Final fantasy 11 you can duel class and You can change both your classes allowing your character to max out every class in the game. Just pointing that out.

[ariel7]

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z204/jwpotter/blogger.jpg

I LOVE that picture. OMG so funny

[Aesop]

There is actually one other game that does have more versitility in classes then DDO. Final fantasy 11 you can duel class and You can change both your classes allowing your character to max out every class in the game. Just pointing that out.

but that's not diversity. Think of Feat and Skill Choices add in Enhancement Choices (as fouled up as those can be) Race adds more choices varyiing level of Class Choices etc

In FFXI you could get everything but its not about variety then its about maxing out

Aesop

[Allice]

but that's not diversity. Think of Feat and Skill Choices add in Enhancement Choices (as fouled up as those can be) Race adds more choices varyiing level of Class Choices etc

In FFXI you could get everything but its not about variety then its about maxing out

Aesop

Good point. but i still hold that there could be more character slots needed. Though i only used two 1 taru taru (omg they were so adorable) and one Mithra they were cute and made good red Mages which is what i started out as

[Aesop]

Good point. but i still hold that there could be more character slots needed. Though i only used two 1 taru taru (omg they were so adorable) and one Mithra they were cute and made good red Mages which is what i started out as

Yeah they were kinda cute... I forget what I played... think I went Caster on 1 and Monk on another... wow tis been a while


Aesop

[Allice]

been forever and still wouldnt leave this game to go back ;P

[Dracolich]

/notsigned

While this OPs original post is very well intended and possibly a good idea I believe it would take practically a whole new mod just to program. I dont understand the reincarnation thing though. It doesnt neem like reincarnation if you get to keep your bound and or tomes. This actually could be more of a game breaking idea rather then a game saving one. You potentially with this Idea need less character slots. Why? Because you could level a character get your tomes, get your bound raid items even if you cant use them, get your 1750 tome then respec to a new class once you get bored or some better flavor of the month comes along. I am sorry some games offer respecs but not this extreme if so I would love to see. Sorry just my point of view and an attempt to stay on topic.

[LazarusPossum]

...if we're supposed to get 9 slots, how come I've only been able to make seven characters before the Create button is 'greyed out'?

[Ilundel]

Lazarus, the last two slots are unlocked when you get 400 total favor on a toon and 1750 on a toon.

[greystone306]

Ok let me cover a few points.

First I "assumed" that there would be a new character slot because of a rumor I guess going around that a final slot had always been held back for when monks were released. I saw this rumor posted enough over a long enough time I thought it was official. Stupid of me? Yes I guess so, but I've seen it for years now.


you know what they say about assuming... And if you don't ohh well. afraid I can't explain it to you here..

[wolfy42]

you know what they say about assuming... And if you don't ohh well. afraid I can't explain it to you here..

Yep, I realize it was a mistake, and I always planned for the possibility of no new slot. That was not the purpose of this thread anyway. I mean I can not be the only person who has deleted so many characters at this point and would like to see a way to have them live on a bit after death. Kinda like leaving your items to a decendant (your kids) etc. It's bound to the FAMILY not just to the player etc.

In DnD that was done all the time and it could be done here (although admitingly it wouldn't include tome bonuses in that case....but I think it would be nice for it to include bound items, tome bonuses and allow for players to use 32 point builds.

I can understand not allowing a change of race for thematical reasons, but really it would be nice to allow racial changes as well.

[arcticsparro]

On a couple of the old MUDs that I used to play they had variation on the reincarnation idea - there, once you were maxed you could "remort" into a new set of races and classes - so the only way to get some classes was to max out a char first then remort into and improved version. - I don't think that is quite as readily applied to DDO, but I do like the idea. I for one think keeping all the bound EQ is going to far, but it would be nice to keep used tome bonuses - wouldn't even unbalance things much, as the bonus still wouldn't stack with a new tome. Maybe if you just got to pick one piece of EQ or something... Oh well - I still only have 5 slots, so whatever...

[DoctorWhofan]

Not signed,

buy a second account like i did ages ago.

/not signed. I have a second account cuz I love my toons soooo much!

[query]

(Hey a Family Guy Movie reference, NOT a robot/costruct fallacy.)

I was proactive.

When I realized the "coming soon" was anything but for monks (and finally joined since I was not going to wait another year...I mean year+) I made a character reserved with just my PC's name so not only would there be a slot, but my name would be available. So I always had that slot filled, through me leaving and returning merges, patches and whatever.
Even after trying builds on Risa, when live day came, I even made a sample build to check ONE thing on setup when first created in the game world.

SO that maxes my slots out. I delete the test character, and my bookmark, and create my real monk. Now I'm capped with the "you keep the 10th slot" becooming 9 slots through no fault of my own. I literally made a practice pc, deleted it and a placeholder and lose a slot, while others delete and recreate up to 10 slots, no rhyme or reason.

So I DID freakin' prepare a LONG dam* time and get hosed for it.

Since I tried everything else:
"Give me another slot!!! WaaaaaaH!!" :p



Okay, seriously Wolfie, having done enough programming and development to know I will never be a good programmer or developer, what you ask for is by today's and tomorrow's game engine and AI systems too complicated to implement without a complete and utter reconstruction of the entire game from the ground up. The time alone to "keep stat memory" would take about ohh, say 600 hours of programming from concept to test model to alpha to debug to beta to QA (assuming there is any :p) to final load to Risa to live, and the multitude of fixes for it all not working according to code anyway.

And that's not even including the item memory which I can sadly attest has the ability to potentially corrupt the character in relation to lag slowing them and only them if you have an exceptionally large itemstock. Don't ask why or how, I dunno.


So, if you want to spend as much time as it took to just get monks out and have the game we play go bye bye when its ready (assuming they even had the load space to dual run and simply didn't 86 DDO for the horror or horrors DDO2 like EQ2,) you can consider reincarnation.


Or the short version:

Only Druids can reincarnate and we have no reincarnation scrolls. When they figure it out and arrive in Stormreach, you can ask them then.

[wolfy42]

(Hey a Family Guy Movie reference, NOT a robot/costruct fallacy.)

I was proactive.

When I realized the "coming soon" was anything but for monks (and finally joined since I was not going to wait another year...I mean year+) I made a character reserved with just my PC's name so not only would there be a slot, but my name would be available. So I always had that slot filled, through me leaving and returning merges, patches and whatever.
Even after trying builds on Risa, when live day came, I even made a sample build to check ONE thing on setup when first created in the game world.

SO that maxes my slots out. I delete the test character, and my bookmark, and create my real monk. Now I'm capped with the "you keep the 10th slot" becooming 9 slots through no fault of my own. I literally made a practice pc, deleted it and a placeholder and lose a slot, while others delete and recreate up to 10 slots, no rhyme or reason.

So I DID freakin' prepare a LONG dam* time and get hosed for it.

Since I tried everything else:
"Give me another slot!!! WaaaaaaH!!" :p



Okay, seriously Wolfie, having done enough programming and development to know I will never be a good programmer or developer, what you ask for is by today's and tomorrow's game engine and AI systems too complicated to implement without a complete and utter reconstruction of the entire game from the ground up. The time alone to "keep stat memory" would take about ohh, say 600 hours of programming from concept to test model to alpha to debug to beta to QA (assuming there is any :p) to final load to Risa to live, and the multitude of fixes for it all not working according to code anyway.

And that's not even including the item memory which I can sadly attest has the ability to potentially corrupt the character in relation to lag slowing them and only them if you have an exceptionally large itemstock. Don't ask why or how, I dunno.


So, if you want to spend as much time as it took to just get monks out and have the game we play go bye bye when its ready (assuming they even had the load space to dual run and simply didn't 86 DDO for the horror or horrors DDO2 like EQ2,) you can consider reincarnation.


Or the short version:

Only Druids can reincarnate and we have no reincarnation scrolls. When they figure it out and arrive in Stormreach, you can ask them then.

As far as the time to create the setup...thats not hard at all.

You would need to create a quest to base this all on, but at the end all that really needs to be done are changes to the current characters stats....no graphics need to go along with it etc. It would be easier to create and implement then the Birthday cake with the Djinn.

You take a character run him through the quest and then "sacrifice" him on an alter. Before doing so you are allowed to put a certain number of items into a chest (this chest allows you to even put bound items inside) to leave as a heirloom for your reincarnated character (say 5 items). At that point you are asked a set of questions by the reincarnation djinn...what race would you like to be, what class would you like to be and then you are allowed to determine your starting stats/feats and skills. After the creation process is over your new lvl 1 reincarnated character can open the chest and take out the items which are still bound.

In fact....you could even have characters retain previous karma this way (makes sense with reincarnation) so all of the accomplishments you have done with the character continue to build up (would help some people eventually reach 1750 who are having a hard time.

Since graphics are not involved and only a direct altering of characters stats....it should be pretty easy to change (I also have coded quite a few areas on Muds myself in C++). It would mainly use call outs to current code (like the current character generation setup we use now) with a few tweaks put in here or there (where you initially appear after the new character is created etc.

Would it be soemthing they could do over night? Nope probably not since the game is so complicated.

But it would not be something that was very hard to implement. It does not add anything drastically new to the game, it just uses what is already there in a new way.

[coolpenguin410]

By rewarding players for deleting a character, you're just encouraging a players to abuse the system. People would max out their slots and then demand free loot whenever a new race/class/character build option comes out.

How about we all abide by the same rules and keep it fair to everyone?