Bad night..............

[nedpowers386]

/rant on

I have a tendency to reroll a lot and run the lower level quests. It's kinda fun because you get a chance to run into a good number of peeps who have just started to play (and need a bit of help setting up voice chat and such).

Is also a lot of fun running into peeps you know who are leveling up their new 32 point builds or just rerolling incessantly like I am.

That said.

The fun kind of wears off at level 7 or so. Have run two alt characters up to level 8 in the last couple of weeks and noticed a real change in attitude as I hit level.

I can understand the fact that many people have maxed their characters and are impatient to move on, but some of the things I saw just today were kinda lame.

Dropping group because the whole party is not there and you are zerging the quest and a few in the party (not me, mind you) ask you to slow down.......

And then sitting outside the instance hoping they/we were gonna wipe without you.....

Clerics (well, one cleric) pulling out his in-party epeen asking the other cleric how many spell points/divine vitalities/hit points yadda yadda he/she had........

Tanky types (and yes, one of my level 8 alts is a tanky type) running around and padding their kill count much to the dismay of the clerics/bards/arcanes aspirin count.........

I mean, yeah - we all have the uberest gear and meanest twitch skills ever to be seen in the digital world, but when it comes down to party members saying they are not feeling this game and moving on to //insert other MMORPG here// because of veteran players' alts getting antsy, is it really worth it?

Just saying...........

/rant off

[stabbert]

I totally agree man..

I came here from World of Warcraft..

Ive played almost every MMORPG up to this game (aside from Matrix Online and the more obscure ones)

I played World of Warcraft for 3 years and I just had enough of the e-peen waving and childish attitudes some people have/had.

Once I came here I noticed a difference, alot more older people play this game than it seemed on World of Warcraft
Although apparently WoW has more subs. I guess that doesnt matter when you enjoy the scenery more because there
are more older mature people playing along with you.

Having said that, I too have noticed the "zerging/letsgetthiscrapoverwithbecauseiwanttocapinaweek" attitude as well...

I have went on quests where i would have to ask 5 or 6 times where I get the quest or do I need to advance my quest and whatnot.

Some runs I missed out on end rewards because I asked if I needed to talk to someone and was told no, only to hear someone say
at the end: "Didnt you talk to "that guy" to advance your quest before we went in?"....
Even though I asked 2-3 times in text and voice if i needed to talk to him.

Seriously guys, do you NOT want newcomers to come and play with you?

This attitude we are getting sometimes doesnt feel very welcoming, and yes I know alot of you have done the same content
over and over and over again, and each time you have to tell someone where to go or who to talk to, etc etc.

But isnt that part of rerolling? I mean if you dont like dealing with "noobs" then why reroll on a game with mechanics in place
that force nearly everyone to group? If you like rerolling so much and dont like dealing with or helping people then try a different game?

Just my thoughts, sorry if I sound rude but just a feeling ive been getting since i joined 2-3 weeks ago...

-Stabby

[Uamhas]

It may very well be that I'm one of those people that's stepped on your toes, because sometimes I zerg, and I can (on occasion) be oblivious, but I can tell you this much of my experience- for elitist attitude when dealing with new people, it's lacking in the truly elite folk. I've run ALOT of newbie/middie content in the last week, and I've seen a very broad range of attitudes/playstyles.
One example: stk with a party pretty evenly split between people that knew the quest and those that didn't. It was stated in the lfm (I had the star on my baby bard) that it was to be "Quick-bring yer own heals" and I again reminded each incoming person of that via voice and party chat. The zerger immediately took off, and I was close behind along with the wizzie and about sixty seconds in I noticed 2 of our folks were kinda running in circles on the map. I asked about knowledge of quest, got the answer that one of them had never done it, the other was unfamiliar though not a total stk virgin... So I let the zergmeisters go ahead and jogged back to make sure the others didn't mill about on their own. What can I say? I have a little of the mother hen mentality. When it occurred to our zergers that the others were having a hard time catching up, the tank immediately apologized, and offered to adjust his speed so that we could all stick together a little more as a party. He said he knew the quest well and sometimes just forgot that everyone didn't. Consensus (unanimous) was that he didn't need to change. It was on normal after all... We finished with time to spare, party had a good rapport with chatting and friendliness, broke up and went our seperate ways afterward.

Here's one of those where new people might have thought I was unhelpful or mean- Ghola Fan. LFM states have HiPS done, know your way, in progress. We had a good guide (Yay Ironpali!) and started short-man rather than wait for that last spot to fill. About 5 minutes into the party I get a request to join- oops, haven't done hips- drops. Ok, no biggie, keep killing baddies and put back up LFM. After another 10-15 minutes, a ranger requests to join.... ok, I like rangers.. and.... "Where do I pick up this quest?" comes over party chat... ok.. hm... well, this doesn't look very promising, but maybe.... So I explain that you have to have done HiPS, and that this one can be entered from the foothold, aka the restless isles. I dunno if I was saying it wrong, or what, but this person had difficulty comprehending that it was a part of a quest chain that you HAD to have done the first in the chain to get there(if you're a lvl 8-11 ranger, not a gr. teleporting caster). I told this person that I would have to drop her in order to open the spot up to someone that filled the criteria after about 5 minutes of hearing "so... where do I pick up the quest?" when I asked if she were on her way. Ok, looks like we might be finishing this short-man, again, no biggie. Then, when we're at the chest where the Stave of the Seer drops, one of our party members says, "invite so and so"... and a ranger joins. Cool, I like rangers. Redemption, actually. She knew her way, got to the quest by herself through the underwater passage, came in, disabled the trap on the chest we left closed so she could get the lootbox too, and proceeded to demonstrate her uberness. Without nasty attitude. With barkskin. Thanks again, btw- that got Avuna Titan ready.

I'm rambling, but I guess what I'm trying to say is... sometimes, pugs is just bad, but sometimes, they're golden. I try to consider what I can bring to the party, and I end up getting more out of it that way. Keep yer chin up, and look for Oloth or Yriel, in the lower levels, and Avuna in the mid-levels. My less-played and hi-level girls are listed in my sig.

[Clay]

start your own group, and post it as a slower, counting the butterflies group.

Then like-minded people will join.

I always add the comment in my LFM: Fast, or no optionals, or no conquest.

That way it is readily apparent that I will be moving fast.

If you post in your LFM No zergers pls maybe you will have fewer problems. You DO NOT have to know each quest intimately to post an lfm.

[Ringos]

Not everyone is like this...hopefully folks can find the good folks in the mix.

When I'm in a group and people join, I make sure that everyone knows where the quest is and who to talk to to get it. I'll wait outside the entrance instead of popping in to make sure they find it. I remember what it's like and it can be confusing, and the people you are nice to and help out today could be an friend or guildie down the road. I know that there ae other folks out there that help out when needed too.

I advocate a bit of patience with people that may not be as 'battle tested' as the rest of us. I do think people that throw up an LFM that sayd 'Fast run, know the way, etc' do the right thing. Nothing wrong with telling people up front what to expect. Too many people DON'T do this though.

[Merkinsal]

I totally agree man..

I came here from World of Warcraft..

Ive played almost every MMORPG up to this game (aside from Matrix Online and the more obscure ones)

I played World of Warcraft for 3 years and I just had enough of the e-peen waving and childish attitudes some people have/had.

Once I came here I noticed a difference, alot more older people play this game than it seemed on World of Warcraft
Although apparently WoW has more subs. I guess that doesnt matter when you enjoy the scenery more because there
are more older mature people playing along with you.

Having said that, I too have noticed the "zerging/letsgetthiscrapoverwithbecauseiwanttocapinaweek" attitude as well...

I have went on quests where i would have to ask 5 or 6 times where I get the quest or do I need to advance my quest and whatnot.

Some runs I missed out on end rewards because I asked if I needed to talk to someone and was told no, only to hear someone say
at the end: "Didnt you talk to "that guy" to advance your quest before we went in?"....
Even though I asked 2-3 times in text and voice if i needed to talk to him.

Seriously guys, do you NOT want newcomers to come and play with you?

This attitude we are getting sometimes doesnt feel very welcoming, and yes I know alot of you have done the same content
over and over and over again, and each time you have to tell someone where to go or who to talk to, etc etc.

But isnt that part of rerolling? I mean if you dont like dealing with "noobs" then why reroll on a game with mechanics in place
that force nearly everyone to group? If you like rerolling so much and dont like dealing with or helping people then try a different game?

Just my thoughts, sorry if I sound rude but just a feeling ive been getting since i joined 2-3 weeks ago...

-Stabby

Welcome to DDO. Sounds like you have quite a bit of experience and I am sure you will find this game challeging and alot of fun. The complexities of this game never stop amazing me. Just gets better and better as I go on. I think maybe that's why we have such a good group of players. Not sure what that has to do with it exactly. More mature players certainly.

In any case, the forums are a great resourse. There is one, User Guides or something that you absolutely should look into. I personaly have spent hours, days even, poring over the information in there to find the quests I want to go on, where they are and such. Eventually to get your 1750 favor you will do all the quests anyway, but some you may want to do more than once. You'll see.

So, have fun. Again, welcome. No doubt I'll run into you one day in game.

[Teepot]

sorry if i caused you to have a bad night ned. the lfm mentioned a favor run. i didnt hear anyone say slowdown. certainly no one typed it in party chat. send a tell next time if you are getting frustrated. i run with newbs all the time and can play at any speed. that particular run i was 3k from lvl 10 and didnt have the patience to wait while tankin clerics and aggro drawin casters were raised by scroll multiple times. i was looking forward to equipin my vorpal/banish/disruption weapons on my first dps char and i figured id save my guild's cleric some plat on the way. not that i don't zerg all the time on this char, he's a barbarian <shrugs>, but i do react to team requests for shiftin to a lower gear as long as i can hear em over the dying baddies in front of me

- khilem all, 'hand over your butterflies and this can end peacefully, long live xoriat'

[DoctorWhofan]

I like butterflies...butterfluies are good! And they should be counted, no matter how many times you've done the quest IF you are in a group of others. You don't know if they like butterflies, so assume that they do, and enjoy it!

On of the best things I like playing with new people or people who haven't really never taken the time to do the quest, is that they go "really, is that there?" or "what's this lever do?" or ""I never knew that there was chests and optionals going this way"

This is the root of why people are bored with the game, they forgot how to count the butterflies and they forgot that there are others who are counting for the first time.

The world doesn't revolve around you, remember that.

FYI, I have alot of level 7-9 characters that are stuck at that level. If you need some help with the butterfly population, just find a Merc's Only guildie on and ask for Trissa.

[Merkinsal]

I was going to say, Stabbert, in my post that there could have been a miscommunication in the group you mentioned and I was going to share an experience I had, but held off. Not sure why exactly, but there you go. Then, along comes Teepot and we find that is exactly what happened in Ned and Teepot's group.

I once promised myself I would never group with one character in particular after just one quest with them, kind of along the lines of your experience, although they did not know that. Not long ago I ended up in a raid with that same character. I almost dropped from the raid lol. Anyway, during the raid he/she picked up my stone, took me to a shrine, buffed me, and showed me some tips. We all have bad days. Maybe, before, he did or I did and took something the wrong way. It happens.

Anyway, I find more good pugs here in one week than I have ever found on some other MMOs ever and thats not much of a exageration. Its a great system and a big strength of DDO. On another MMO we would never even see the opporunity to group with the zergers you mentioned. I find it kind of fun sometimes to try keep up with them. They certainly do not need me in their group to be successful. I'm kind of glad they took the time to put up an LFM.

[nedpowers386]

K - we are done, here.

Teepot didn't have to respond (he wasn't named in the post) - and that he did (and with such class) - is a reflection of his true character (speaking of his RL character - not his toon).

Thanks. That meant a lot.

I also thawed out some frozen cupcakes - between those and the proffered butterflies, all is well.

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.

:)

[vlnabkux123]

/rant on

I have a tendency to reroll a lot and run the lower level quests. It's kinda fun because you get a chance to run into a good number of peeps who have just started to play (and need a bit of help setting up voice chat and such).

Is also a lot of fun running into peeps you know who are leveling up their new 32 point builds or just rerolling incessantly like I am.

That said.

The fun kind of wears off at level 7 or so. Have run two alt characters up to level 8 in the last couple of weeks and noticed a real change in attitude as I hit level.

I can understand the fact that many people have maxed their characters and are impatient to move on, but some of the things I saw just today were kinda lame.

Dropping group because the whole party is not there and you are zerging the quest and a few in the party (not me, mind you) ask you to slow down.......

And then sitting outside the instance hoping they/we were gonna wipe without you.....

Clerics (well, one cleric) pulling out his in-party epeen asking the other cleric how many spell points/divine vitalities/hit points yadda yadda he/she had........

Tanky types (and yes, one of my level 8 alts is a tanky type) running around and padding their kill count much to the dismay of the clerics/bards/arcanes aspirin count.........

I mean, yeah - we all have the uberest gear and meanest twitch skills ever to be seen in the digital world, but when it comes down to party members saying they are not feeling this game and moving on to //insert other MMORPG here// because of veteran players' alts getting antsy, is it really worth it?

Just saying...........

/rant off


Blah Blah....

you still got that gimped Ranger ... sheesh

Haven't seen ya around in a loooooong time , must be me that has not been playing much I guess...

Good to hear from ya

ciao

[nedpowers386]

Blah Blah....

you still got that gimped Ranger ... sheesh

Haven't seen ya around in a loooooong time , must be me that has not been playing much I guess...

Good to hear from ya

ciao

Even though I try to avoid Lay's potato products, don't forget that I was original leader of the "Pringles Fan Club."

Short lived guild, that........

Quit hating, reroll that wand-wielding WoW healer, pick up some Strength and Con (and a good axe while you are at it...), and make a real D&D cleric.

:p

Good to hear from you, too. Yeah, it was just a bad night, so I will lay off the blah blahing (even though I have an unbuffed +42 Blah skill).

[Bunker]

Quit hating, reroll that wand-wielding WoW healer, pick up some Strength and Con (and a good axe while you are at it...), and make a real D&D cleric.


So does this mean a cleric with 14 str and 14 con (buffed mind you) is no good? What if he is a 28 pt build? That aside.

OP:
I understand your experience with the zerging(get off my highway lane of on my way to cap). I get a taste to zerd occasionally. I don't have a solution to the problem, if you can call it that. We have big servers and plenty of group possibilities.

My last toon to make it to cap was my Sorcerer. I ran into groups on the way up that wanted only to zerg and players that would not accept you unless you went straight to finish with all optionals left behind. Now some quests, usually the ones I don't enjoy, I didn't mind zipping thru. And once I hit lvl 10, well I was old enough to ride the "Giant Hold Express". I think the Gianthold is best to start at lvl 10 and before you know it, you are lvl 15 or 16 easy.

So here I am ready for a good night of zerging, I can already taste those lvl 7 spells. I join a group that is filled with members from the Guild Solid. Not sure if they like to zerg so I feel them out. I soo come to realize that they take the easy street and like to chill. I'm thinking that this group isn't for me and I need a bit more speed, but I'm going to stick it out thru the quest cause bailing is not really my style. By the end of the quest, this group was so much fun, I think I ran another 10 quests with them over the course of the next 3-4 days. They were laughing and having a killer time, and I'm glad I stuck it out.

Now, sometimes you get lucky and you can find a group like that, and sometimes you might have a bad apple or 2 that leaves a taste less wanted. If you come across a player that was absolutly no fun, jot down the name and remember that his/her style is not yours. And doing it your way is fun for you.

[Juni]

One thing I have noticed while running my mid lvls is people don't read the LFM.

You can say fast no optionals, bring own healing and get 3 people that show up with no pots and no wands. Then they get hit 2-3 times and start yelling for heals after the LFM said bring your own healing.

And Like what Uamhas was saying about Ghola Fan. You put in LFM must have HiPS complete and you get 3 or 4 people sending joins or tells that have no clue.

I understand that some people are new to the game and I enjoying helping new people when I have time but if I'm trying to squeeze in a quick quest before dinner or an appointment I want vet people so we can get it done and fast. I always make sure to put in my LFM that its a fast, no optionals, know your way, and bring healing. But it never fails you get someone with no potions or no clue what they are doing.

People just need to read and not click to join the 1st group that fits their class/lvl.

[Elaril]

So does this mean a cleric with 14 str and 14 con (buffed mind you) is no good? What if he is a 28 pt build? That aside.

OP:
I understand your experience with the zerging(get off my highway lane of on my way to cap). I get a taste to zerd occasionally. I don't have a solution to the problem, if you can call it that. We have big servers and plenty of group possibilities.

My last toon to make it to cap was my Sorcerer. I ran into groups on the way up that wanted only to zerg and players that would not accept you unless you went straight to finish with all optionals left behind. Now some quests, usually the ones I don't enjoy, I didn't mind zipping thru. And once I hit lvl 10, well I was old enough to ride the "Giant Hold Express". I think the Gianthold is best to start at lvl 10 and before you know it, you are lvl 15 or 16 easy.

So here I am ready for a good night of zerging, I can already taste those lvl 7 spells. I join a group that is filled with members from the Guild Solid. Not sure if they like to zerg so I feel them out. I soo come to realize that they take the easy street and like to chill. I'm thinking that this group isn't for me and I need a bit more speed, but I'm going to stick it out thru the quest cause bailing is not really my style. By the end of the quest, this group was so much fun, I think I ran another 10 quests with them over the course of the next 3-4 days. They were laughing and having a killer time, and I'm glad I stuck it out.

Now, sometimes you get lucky and you can find a group like that, and sometimes you might have a bad apple or 2 that leaves a taste less wanted. If you come across a player that was absolutly no fun, jot down the name and remember that his/her style is not yours. And doing it your way is fun for you.

That's high praise indeed coming from you, Bunk. Was on my baby TWFer during those runs if I remember correctly and those were some good times. Again, if I remember correctly, you are discounting your own contributions to the hilarity of those couple of evenings. Usually we do run a bit faster than we did that evening, but we had a certain bard who can't seem to ever transition between quests in less than fifteen minutes...maybe if we start finishing quests before he actually steps in, he'll get the hint.

[Bunker]

That's high praise indeed coming from you, Bunk. Was on my baby TWFer during those runs if I remember correctly and those were some good times. Again, if I remember correctly, you are discounting your own contributions to the hilarity of those couple of evenings.

I'm positive that I was throwing in my 2cp of witty comments and laughter. If a group im in has like-minded humor such as mine, the flood gates come open up. Those can be some of the best nights. An extra 5 minutes of funny is worth 10x the extra length it took to finish the quest.



Usually we do run a bit faster than we did that evening, but we had a certain bard who can't seem to ever transition between quests in less than fifteen minutes...maybe if we start finishing quests before he actually steps in, he'll get the hint.

I think that is exactly what the delay was. We zipped thru all the quests, but the time between quest was a bit log. Still great and worth its weight in pp.

[Ilundel]

Yeah we all have bad days. Unfortunately with a game that is this old, you will have to deal with this kind of issues all the time – people that have been through these quests hundreds of times and newbies that haven’t. Usually if you mention to the party that you have people that do not know the quest, you will automatically switch the mentality of that zerger. If you do not, don’t fear they will most likely drop either right there, or drop at the end of the quest. I myself have leveled to cap so many toons and I have run every quest in the game, ad nausea for many of them. So usually my first tendancy on easy quests is to zerg. Why? Because speed is a primary concern when you don’t need to experience the content. Unfortunately people fail to realize this and sometimes blame you for zerging without you ever knowing that you shouldn’t.

Anyways this to me is less of a bother then when I decide to put LFM’s up. Given most of my guildies and most people I run with are usually zerging through most anything, I usually tend to put in my LFM stuff like experienced only, know your way. The funny thing is about any time I do this, you always get these odd people coming in and asking “where can I pick this quest up” “where’s the entrance”. That always hits the wrong nerve. I get twitchy because if you can’t read the LFM, why should I even assume that you will be able to follow instructions. If I take time to write experiences and know your way, then don’t waste my time asking me where the quest is. I find it funny because most days I’ll just say “sorry, we are in progress and I’ve specified to know your way, we will have to drop you”. I must apologize thought because sometimes when I’m having bad days, I’ll just not say a word and just push the “kick from party” button. I guess if you can’t take time to read the LFM, why should I take time to respond to your dumb question that was already answered by the LFM you neglected to read lol.

[vlnabkux123]

Even though I try to avoid Lay's potato products, don't forget that I was original leader of the "Pringles Fan Club."

Short lived guild, that........

Quit hating, reroll that wand-wielding WoW healer, pick up some Strength and Con (and a good axe while you are at it...), and make a real D&D cleric.

:p

Good to hear from you, too. Yeah, it was just a bad night, so I will lay off the blah blahing (even though I have an unbuffed +42 Blah skill).

Don't tell everyone that you have died under my healing hand, bad for my rep even though you did, get another cleric if your not happy ... Zerger ... :eek::D

I know, I know I should reroll my but I got so much loot and 4 +3 tomes on him that I make up alot of ground on the con and the str, I could tank :confused: if I had an greataxe. :rolleyes:

P.S. did you ever hear anything about Morphail bu any chance?

[nedpowers386]

I think Morphail and Deathburn went over to Vanguard a ways back - have not heard from them, and if anyone knows, please let us know.

Miss good ole Morph and his sixteen kids screaming in the background!!

:)

The Fix and Ham duders have been on since the last update - running capped toons and can usually be found killing a pit fiend or two in the Twelve. Kruggar has been running a lot of raids, too.

Greataxe is on the way. Just hang out by the mailbox.

:p