Passive healing as Pale Master

[jirksa]

Hi, I am trying to make my own PM EK build, I want to have planty of passive healing. I want to know if these stack together

• 4- piece Darkhallow: Your weapon attacks heal you for 1d6 Negative Damage on hit. This damage scales with Negative Spell Power. (1-second internal cooldown)
• Scion of the Shadowfell: Weapon and Unarmed attacks heal you for 1d6 Positive damage, or 1d6 Negative damage if you are Undead.

Can I get better proc rates having both?

Similarly, do these stack in the sence of adding the proc rates?

• Emerald of Bitter Wounds: Greater Boon of Undeath
• Legendary Black Velvet Capelet: Greater Boon of Undeath

Thanks a lot!

[Fisto_Mk_I]

Yes to both.

[Abilbo]

Hi, I am trying to make my own PM EK build, I want to have planty of passive healing. I want to know if these stack together

• 4- piece Darkhallow: Your weapon attacks heal you for 1d6 Negative Damage on hit. This damage scales with Negative Spell Power. (1-second internal cooldown)
• Scion of the Shadowfell: Weapon and Unarmed attacks heal you for 1d6 Positive damage, or 1d6 Negative damage if you are Undead.

Can I get better proc rates having both?

Similarly, do these stack in the sence of adding the proc rates?

• Emerald of Bitter Wounds: Greater Boon of Undeath
• Legendary Black Velvet Capelet: Greater Boon of Undeath

Thanks a lot!

Be weary of the "heal on hit" mechanic. Doesn't matter if its positive, negative or repair, the healing is not on every hit. Its about a 2-3 second timer between procs. So if you are hitting 10 times in 10 seconds, you are NOT going to see a heal happen on every hit.

Also worth noting that the healing you do get does get influenced by your healing/negative/repair amp

[FuzzyDuck81]

Be weary of the "heal on hit" mechanic. Doesn't matter if its positive, negative or repair, the healing is not on every hit. Its about a 2-3 second timer between procs. So if you are hitting 10 times in 10 seconds, you are NOT going to see a heal happen on every hit.

Also worth noting that the healing you do get does get influenced by your healing/negative/repair amp

Unless it's been amended fairly recently, the scion of the shadowfell vampirism is the old style vampirism that actually is on every attack, or at least has a much shorter internal cooldown.

OP, you can also run in vampire form for an additional scaling healing effect.

[droid327]

Yeah Shadowfell stacks with Darkhallow...but at cap, especially at more challenging difficulties, its not a whole lot of healing. Its going to be dwarfed by your Death Aura ticks and NEB bursts. The neg amp bonus from Shadowfell is going to account for more HP healed than the heal-on-hit effect.

Every little bit adds up, of course, but you might want to consider a more offensive Scion too, since killing mobs faster also reduces the damage you take. Shadow's not bad, but just there are other options on the table too - Arborea, your Spellsword element, etc. Even assuming you're hitting twice per second, at 300 Neg Amp, that's only 28 HP per second.

Darkhallow's a much bigger chunk of your passive heals since it scales on spellpower and neg amp, even with the 1s ICD: at 900 Neg Power and 300 Namp, that's 105 per second. Also 60 Namp, +2 INT and 20 USP is all great value

Plus dont forget about GBoon for extra passive healing, especially since you can just Augment it so its not trading off as much like your Scion feat is.

[jirksa]

Yeah Shadowfell stacks with Darkhallow...but at cap, especially at more challenging difficulties, its not a whole lot of healing. Its going to be dwarfed by your Death Aura ticks and NEB bursts. The neg amp bonus from Shadowfell is going to account for more HP healed than the heal-on-hit effect.

Every little bit adds up, of course, but you might want to consider a more offensive Scion too, since killing mobs faster also reduces the damage you take. Shadow's not bad, but just there are other options on the table too - Arborea, your Spellsword element, etc. Even assuming you're hitting twice per second, at 300 Neg Amp, that's only 28 HP per second.

Darkhallow's a much bigger chunk of your passive heals since it scales on spellpower and neg amp, even with the 1s ICD: at 900 Neg Power and 300 Namp, that's 105 per second. Also 60 Namp, +2 INT and 20 USP is all great value

Plus dont forget about GBoon for extra passive healing, especially since you can just Augment it so its not trading off as much like your Scion feat is.

Thanks for advice
I will have 389 neg HAmp , and I will attack more then twice per second (single weapon fighting, bastard sword), AFAIK the vampirism effects procs on every enemy hit, so thats x3 enemies (I hope BSword can still benefit from SWF and 2HF for strikethrough). Also, I dont want to be self healing with this in R10, but I want to by able to reliable solo mid reaper and most importantly I want to try soloing some raids, where healing is the main issue forr me so far.

So for that shadowfell scion: 1d6 == 3.5 on average. Heal == 3.5* (100+389)/100 x3(strikethrough) == 51 per proc? not bad IMO, also I will be in vampire form (1d3), with Eye of Mabar (5d2), with darkhallow (1d6* 9.81 (my 881 neg spell power)), lesser DA and DA, emerald of bitter wounds.... I have no idea how will that work out in mid reaper but that sounds like a lot of passive healing if all of that stacks.

Also I somehow managed to build into decent melee DMG (208 MP and 5.25[d10+3]+162, 100% fort bypass, 78% DS, 16-20 /x3, 21 Imbue Dice with 900 spell power) while still having usable (I hope its usable) necromancy for instakills (106 DC in reaper, 101 enchantment DC). So I want Scion of shadowfell to help with DCs. (using Isle of dread set, magewright set, part of the family set) Maybe I will end up with a failure as most people trying to balance melee DPS and spell DCs, but I want to try

This build wont have best DCs or best DPS, but as I stated I want to be able to solo difficult content.

[jirksa]

Also, can you please react on my other question that I posted in 'Advice and guidance'? Thanks

https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showth...er-application

[Mindos]

Wasn't there some argument for having lesser instead of greater boon of undeath for some reason? I can't remember.

[Bjond]

Wasn't there some argument for having lesser instead of greater boon of undeath for some reason? I can't remember.

Lesser and Greater stack. Boon is *amazing* in heroic. I would quite literally AFK in a pack of MOBs on Hardcore to heal my PM just with boon. However, it becomes barely "nice" in Epics. Definitely wear a boon item as PM, but don't expect it to be all that significant in Epics.

BTW, unless your PM is also quite significantly tanky, I wouldn't expect it's self-heals to matter much past R4. I used to play EK/PM a lot. It's great fun, but the per-skull self-healing penalty kills the style for higher reaper.