Prices of ottos boxes rivals aaa game

[Valtan]

Heroic Ottos box: £35 (approx)
Improved Epic Ottos box: £45 (approx)

If you want to do an epic life and Heroic life with the boxes, it costs £80 which is more than price of AAA game, which has 4k graphics and no lag. This is not how Micro-transactions (MTX) works in a MMO.

[Mamalian]

Then don't buy them?

[Oxarhamar]

Heroic Ottos box: £35 (approx)
Improved Epic Ottos box: £45 (approx)

If you want to do an epic life and Heroic life with the boxes, it costs £80 which is more than price of AAA game, which has 4k graphics and no lag. This is not how Micro-transactions (MTX) works in a MMO.

Otto’s isn’t exactly a micro transaction purchase either

[Arkat]

Then don't buy them?

This.

[gravisrs]

Otto boxes are macrotransaction. You're welcome.

[rabidfox]

They're just whale food, but so not needed to do the game's content. So if they keep the game running, let the whales enjoy them.

[KoobTheProud]

The only good reason to buy a box is to get out of a life you absolutely hate. I've done that a few times over the years.

I used to buy them so I could level several characters at a time back when it made sense to run alts but that math went bad years ago, maybe as far back as 2015.

I've said it a few times but I will continue to do so in the hopes that it reaches the right ears: Every change that SSG makes to milk the whales loses them money elsewhere. Maybe not $1 for $1 but maybe a lot more also.

[Buddha5440]

Then don't buy them?

This

+1000 if I were able.

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[Anuulified]

AAA games is a made up metric by the gaming industry to get you to buy more games, because they are "better". Welcome to e-Impulse buying 101. You believe there is value when there may not be.

[Buddha5440]

AAA games is a made up metric by the gaming industry to get you to buy more games, because they are "better". Welcome to e-Impulse buying 101. You believe there is value when there may not be.

Exactly...Hell, I still play some MUD's and NWN PW's.

[axiom21]

As the peasants who argue on supercar videos in YouTube comment sections would say: "Get Your Money Up". The great irony there being none of their money is up.

I won't be pedantic and go with the default "tHeN dOnT bUy It". What you're getting roped into is a sunken cost fallacy or some other simalcrum. AAA games are mostly garbage nowadays. Looter-shooters, re-releases or re-leases, or "open world" games that are not open and get smaller and smaller. If you have the disposable income, who cares, just send it.

For the price, you do not get as much as you'd think. It'd be much better if the box gave you straight up 3.8 - instead on a 3rd lifer you either suffer through Sharn & Cogs 15s, 16s, LOD & Docks, and maybe Shavarath & Hidden Hand or you get to around level 8 and pop straight to 20. Provided you're running a Sov II, VIP, VOM/MG, and 4-5% ship XP buffs to make that 2M Heroic box a 3.380M Heroic box.

Maybe give more Shards, or Sov II pots instead of the 30s, maybe some Hidden Potential Elixirs to go with the Treasure Hunters?

My real bone to pick is the Epic boxes, same thing, for the money of the Improved why not just give a full 8M+ instead of milking for two boxes (plus you need to run a 50%, and all the other **** too).

All that aside, I've probably bought several dozen of all 3 flavors of box. I have a good salary that I can burn several thousand over the last decade and a half on a MMO that I love so I don't really mind, and it gives me some justification to complain about it, though I do it anyway.

So you're welcome for keeping the lights on? Lmao. I kid.

I mean, ****, if I'm going to whale the hell out of these to avoid having to play a class or race I have no interest in at least make them available all year around. Or just the stones themselves.

[adamkatt]

Ive bought 2 in the last few months on thelanis for 1800 shards each.. they arnt posted that cheap often.. these were with shards i earned in game.

[Sylvado]

Ive bought 2 in the last few months on thelanis for 1800 shards each.. they arnt posted that cheap often.. these were with shards i earned in game.

So you paid 9000 points for each.

[Lamassut]

Yes, they are very expensive. But the prices of both the store and the market are generally very expensive for what they give. DDO has focused its business strategy on whales, totally ignoring the medium consumer. Other games have items for whales and items for the masses. DDO no. It's always seemed like a short-sighted, door-closing business strategy to me, but the devs seem content with what they're getting from milking the whales, not worrying about what they might gain from other, less elitist business strategies.

Even the mounts. Those prices for an item that only works on one server. The storage, grotesquely overpriced, to the point that everyone prefers mules. A simple bag has ridiculous prices, look at the price of a hireling holder. Cosmetics would sell more if they created storage for them, however.

You just have to see how they treat the expansions. Compare the shinnies that Turbine's xpacks brought with those of SSG. It's hilarious. SSG doesn't seem to understand how attractive extras encourage people to spend real money. SSG withdrew the turbine bundles (because of hardcore, obviously, they didn't want to give more xp tomes lol) and hasn't bothered to put new ones. Nah, SSG doesn't care about new players, or the old but average consumer. SSG only cares about veteran whales.

SSG's reluctance to make VIP membership desirable fits into this framework as well, a framework that has a hint of greed. Devs consider gold dice irresponsible because they consider that VIPs should not earn anything they can buy in the store, as if the subscription money means nothing and is no longer a fixed income for SSG. It is possible that the devs have not even noticed that the financial damage has not been caused by the gold dice (which encouraged many people to sign up for VIP), but by the rampant duping that has occurred this year and that they, as of habit, have taken centuries to fix.

So the price of otto's boxes is framed in the global commercial policy of SSG. I'm not worried because they are unnecessary items. Before, I was more concerned about seeing newbie arrivals, seeing them get scared of the paywall that awaited them, and leaving. Now that doesn't bother me. Their business, their problem lol.

[Valtan]

I'm not worried because they are unnecessary items.

For a new player starting DDO, he would need 140+ lives to play endgame content, especially as a tank for high reapers. With no catchup mechanics like other games, boxes are the only way to get to endgame quickly. It may be unncessary for veterans with all those past lives accumulated over 15 years, but absolutely needed for new players.

[magaiti]

For a new player starting DDO, he would need 140+ lives to play endgame content, especially as a tank for high reapers. With no catchup mechanics like other games, boxes are the only way to get to endgame quickly. It may be unncessary for veterans with all those past lives accumulated over 15 years, but absolutely needed for new players.

zero past lives needed to play endgame content. High reapers are optional difficulty settings.

[Wizard1406]

Otto's are a whale baiting item. If you don't have a huge amount of disposible income ignore them.

I'm just wondering where the money earned from macro-transactions like this is invested in? So many areas in the game could use improvement, lag, storage, mega-server/ server upgrades, bug fixing /QA, CS.

[magaiti]

Otto's are a whale baiting item. If you don't have a huge amount of disposible income ignore them.

I'm just wondering where the money earned from macro-transactions like this is invested in? So many areas in the game could use improvement, lag, storage, mega-server/ server upgrades, bug fixing /QA, CS.

They are invested into annual income, obviously.

[rabidfox]

For a new player starting DDO, he would need 140+ lives to play endgame content, especially as a tank for high reapers. With no catchup mechanics like other games, boxes are the only way to get to endgame quickly. It may be unncessary for veterans with all those past lives accumulated over 15 years, but absolutely needed for new players.

1st lifers with a solid build, who farms out a nice gear set over a week or so, on HC can do r4's with no real risk of death. It doesn't take much to start running "endgame" content in DDO. Player knowledge- fight mechanics, safe spots, zerg tricks, etc. are going to hold them back initially over other factors. Past lives are great to have, a solid way to keep a player busy over the years, but so not needed to do various content in the game. New players see the past lives mechanic (and read forum posts made by others having issues) and assume past lives is why they can't keep up with some vets.

[Steeme]

The ironic part is that players routinely ask for them to go on sale.

Instead of buying Epic boxes, you can invest some cash into building an alt account that has the ability to pull (power level) any character up from 20 -> 30 using Legendary questing. Well worth it in the long run.