Doubleshot, Ranged Power, Imbue Dice, and Sneak Attack ...how do these work together?

[Brac]

re: Bolded - It's kinda odd that you apparently felt insulted and wanted to take jab at me. Even more so that you apparently think it's important to me to be seen as "one of the in crowd". I used to play more but I really only play on Friday and occasional Sundays anymore. If that is "beneath" you that really doesn't say anything about me. It just makes you elitist, if that wasn't your intent you can drop the attitude, it does you no favors.

Either way, what I said at the end of my post still applies. Which is that I see no evidence and that remains true in spite of your assertions.

So if you have information to share then do so, otherwise it's just another post on the internet claiming something without any reason to believe it.

Cheers~

You literally double quoted me and then stated I was giving bad information. Now your trying to gaslight me into thinking I took it out of context? It is about giving correct information and incorrect information. I was correctly answering a question about ranged DPS. You challenged my response with incorrect information. I didn't give a 15 minute mathematical explanation on why your information was bad, I just had to point out that it was. I think you later realized I was probably right, and rather then just admit you may have been wrong, you played the humble, "your an elitist!" card. In this instance being an elitist means that I play the game and know what ranged builds do the most damage. OK, you got me. But guess what, everyone else can be elitist too. I didn't create the current top DPS builds, they are out there for many people to find. With a little help from google, everyone else can be "elitist" too, even you.

[Brac]

Okay then, That still averages to ~0.8 base damage per imbue, multiple of 7 or not.

Just play what you want. Top DPS ranged builds solve the puzzle of imbue dice, spell power, ranged power, doubleshot/expanded clip/dual cross, and they all use Shiradi Mantle. The information is out there and the people that want to do top ranged DPS will go look for it. The forum trolls that always have to defend their pet build can keep doing that and play what they want. I could continue to point out the variables that your math ignores, but why bother.

[Ricter]

This whole paragraph just shows you have no idea of what top end ranged DPS is right now and I am not going to take the time to educate you. Carpones guide was fantastic for the time it was written. The game has changed. It looks like you just got left behind. Go ahead and play your old builds, they can still be fine, no one said they were bad. But they are not in a top DPS discussion. Imbue changes borderline broke the game with the damage increases for the right builds. You either know this and are pretending you don't, hoping the "secret" doesn't get out, or you are in the dark.

Okay, but as a former lurker - where is this information? I play an Inquisitive build and am planning on TRing soon and was expecting to go into a bow build because Inquisitive damage is so bad compared to the others. If that's not the case it'd be useful if you actually share that info,because Carpones guide is all I was able to find.

[Brac]

Okay, but as a former lurker - where is this information? I play an Inquisitive build and am planning on TRing soon and was expecting to go into a bow build because Inquisitive damage is so bad compared to the others. If that's not the case it'd be useful if you actually share that info,because Carpones guide is all I was able to find.

I sent you a PM, done arguing in the forums. Try the builds and see what you find.

[o2t4f]

The above math shows how the major parts operate. It also shows why increasing the least of the 3 scalars gives you the most improvement; eg. if you have 10 power and 100 Double, it takes 1+Power to increase your total by ~10%, but needs 10+Double for the same gain. If you really want to drill down on improving, you'll need an exact model for your damage -- the above is for gross clarity only, it conveys concept at the expense of detail.

Not sure I got your scenario right, but did you mean someone with 10 RP and 100 DS for example? In that case, for a 10% damage increase, it would be either +11rp or +20ds, not +1rp or +10ds. For what you seem to have described, the multiplier of 10 rp and 100 ds would have to be 0.1 and 1 instead of 1.1 and 2.
But still, the point of increasing the lowest multiplier is still valid.