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    Default Please do not Zerg MY LFM.

    Please when you join a group and they are working the dungeon as a group dont go so far ahead that the group members get separated and lost.
    it take away the experience of learning the quest from the group.
    if you find you have joined a group like this and are running a pot please make your own lfm if you wat to bypass opts and such.
    again some people dont know the quests and would like to follow them through as a learning experience.
    I personally find groups that party together, even if one runs ahead just not so far as too exclude party members from the gaming experience, more enjoyable.
    after all I didn't join your lfm. you joined mine.
    Thank you.

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    Do you label your groups in the LFM for what you want people to do?

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    Be great if developers stopped incentivizing speed to completion. Reaper and TRs, while fun, need a revamp. DDO is amazing but it can be anti-noob friendly and sometimes anti-fun. SSG is also not spending enough time on a new content. It all feels the same. DDO is losing its uniqueness. Party synergy only truly occurs in raids and HCL. Anyone who pugs higher reaper knows what I mean. Until you got the chops you're just a soulstone in another players pocket because they'd rather carry you to completion and benefit from your 5% XP boost. Rather than help you to learn and play the content. Reaper most especially needs a design change but but the speed to completion is truly out of hand. That's coming from someone who has played since 2006 and has literally done it all more than once. Having been that annoying late night reaper player I can tell you I'd much prefer a fun party experience with some exploration and trial. Rather than a by the numbers grind to my next epic TR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rabidfox View Post
    Do you label your groups in the LFM for what you want people to do?
    +1

    I always label my LFMs with "fast" or "zergish" in the LFM, so people know I'm moving fast. I don't mind going slow if I am off a pot, or at cap, but a goal of mine is to get to cap asap so I can raid and do other things. I only have so much time to play and I 've run quests hundreds of times.

    I would suggest adding something to your LFM that says, "moving slow, no zerging" and that should deter most folks that wanna just get to cap asap. I agree that a party that stays together is fun, especially if they are your friends and you are chatting the whole time. I think if you let people know you want to do all optionals and are moving as a group (no zerging), this will help weed out the speedsters.

    Hope this helps!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickodeamous View Post
    I always label my LFMs with "fast" or "zergish" in the LFM, so people know I'm moving fast.
    Problem is that some players assume "zerg" is the default, and/or simply ignore (intentionally or not) the pace of the group.

    Welcome to the internet. :/

    Don't be shy about /kicking such party members if they don't want to slow down after a warning or three. I usually say something like "You'll be happier with a group that's moving faster" - words to that effect.

    GL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rabidfox View Post
    Do you label your groups in the LFM for what you want people to do?
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    Put it in the description Zergie is less likely to join your group if they know it is not what they want beforehand

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    I generally start a public lfm and anyone is welcome to join it.
    If I join a group I'm not gonna put up a stick about anyone zerging or not its not my LFM.
    I join it, I understand the courtesy of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archest View Post
    I generally start a public lfm and anyone is welcome to join it.
    If I join a group I'm not gonna put up a stick about anyone zerging or not its not my LFM.
    I join it, I understand the courtesy of it.
    Ok you put public parking but do you put no Zerg etc in the description?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxarhamar View Post
    Ok you put public parking but do you put no Zerg etc in the description?
    No I don't see a need for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archest View Post
    No I don't see a need for it.
    ...and that is why you sometimes get zerging players joining your LFM. Not putting limiting info in your LFM descriptions means it appears to be open for all/anyone, and thus you are getting all types of players joining, including zergers. Clearly there is a need for it otherwise why are you complaining about them joining you? Putting this in your LFM will increase the likelihood of those payers not joining/zerging in your group, which seems to be what you want.

    Putting that info in your LFM descriptions is definitely more efficient and direct way to get players to not zerg in your party than a braod forum post will. Having it in your LFM means those who could join you will get that info about your preferred playstyle directly. The forums on the other hand has players from all servers, and is also a very small percentage of the actual players in game, so you're reaching less people that matter for your playtime this way. Plus your LFMs are directly linked to the character you're playing at that time. Here, well, I don't know if you have multiple characters and what their names are, nor do I know your server, so there is no way for me to know if some random LFM I see is actually yours or not. But I can see the descriptions people put in their LFMs. If I see "no zergs pls" or "going slow as a group" or "zerging, be fast" I know ahead of time what that group is about and how they plan on playing and can choose to join or not based on that.

    Very useful indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archest View Post
    No I don't see a need for it.
    I would say you are being discourteous by not including the label on your LFM. People zerging obviously don't want to waste time and you are wasting theirs by not just being up front about what you expect.

    It's the same as putting a level range on an LFM, I assume you don't set your LFM for 1-32 and then reject people outside the level range you really wanted, right? So why would you let them get inside your quest and give you an over-level XP penalty before you ask them to leave? Cause that's basically what you're doing but for playstyle preferences.

    Just add the label and we can all respect each other's preferences. It's really that easy.

    PS - At least on my server Zerg is by far the default in LFMs I've found, not sure about other servers. But I can count on one hand the number of times I've joined a group and been yelled at by someone who wanted to go slower. And in each of those cases I usually let them know that I will drop after the current quest and suggest to them that they add the "no zerg" label to their LFM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archest View Post
    No I don't see a need for it.
    Then you are at fault. Also, not a lot of people do "zerg", they just go by the speed that is normal for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archest View Post
    No I don't see a need for it.
    Then you get what you get and you have to accept that.

    If you do not tell anyone in your group what you want then that is a you problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archest View Post
    No I don't see a need for it.
    Sorry to say, but you're at fault.
    Yes, it's your group, your rules. You're totally allowed to tell them when they go ahead too far that you'd like to explore a bit more and zerg less. But you'd make it easier on yourself and on them by just posting that in the LFM.
    Common courtesy.
    Same with setting a level limit if you want Bravery bonuses, writing "whole chain" or the number of skulls, if running in Reaper.

    If you want people to play like you want, just ask
    Don't assume people will follow rules nobody told them about.
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    "zerg" is the norm speed in this game now. ppl dont even slow down for r10 anymore. if u dont want zerg u should say so in ur lfm

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    People cannot read minds. Clearly you found a need for it to post here...maybe you should adjust your LFM. Just sayin. People who zerg will be prone to join as more people are faster than one. If you have no title info on your LFM, most zergers will think they are doing everyone a favor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archest View Post
    No I don't see a need for it.
    This thread ain’t likely to get the message out to the Zergers who join your group

    Putting information in the LFM panel that will get the message where they will see it


    If you want to leave it blank then you should expect to see Zergers joining and running off ahead

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    Ok.

    Alternately.

    Realize that people run with XP pots that are on a timer. Label your group something that lets those folks know that you want to stop and smell the roses, and do not want anyone to join if they are trying to get the most out of their XP potion minutes.

    Don't waste their time (and money they spent on supporting the game that you enjoy) by waiting until they join, and then complaining afterwards. Once they've joined and started, if they slow down or leave your group then those are minutes of XP boost that are then wasted.

    Consideration goes both ways, and if you want only certain playstyles in your LFGs then the onus is upon you to indicate that in the LFG description. If you do not indicate that then you have no reason to complain.

    If you do, and they are joining anyway, then first examine if your message is clear and second just tell them to stop, and if they refuse, just recall, leave the group, block that player, and reform a new group and start again. Since you're not in a hurry this shouldn't be a super big problem for you, eh?

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    Rushers won't want to join a LFM marked "no rush". Their whole thing is going the path of least resistance, so they don't want to party with sniffers anymore than you don't want them to party with you.

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    The irony of not seeing a need to put a description in your LFM while coming to the forums to tell them not to is not lost on me.
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