Inquisitive class/race synergy brainstorming

[Swimms]

Y

Overall, I think your build would most certainly work. That damage is so ludicrously high that you can afford to sacrifice some of it and still end up with a rather solid build.

considering that I am running a dwarf, 9 barbarian, 4 Arti now with only APs spend in Harper and Inquisitor and still pumping out the dps I am not even sure how much classes matter other than for BAB breakpoints, free feats, trapping, evasion or other QOL benefits. I did heroic sunrise and burned down the abbott on R1 in about 3 seconds with a ratcatcher and this suboptimal build.

[Swimms]

You can start with improved precise shot right away if you go with either Shadea-kai or Aasimar Scourge.

true, I already have 3x of each PL though so would only have Scoundrel as an iconic option

[Xgya]

considering that I am running a dwarf, 9 barbarian, 4 Arti now with only APs spend in Harper and Inquisitor and still pumping out the dps I am not even sure how much classes matter other than for BAB breakpoints, free feats, trapping, evasion or other QOL benefits. I did heroic sunrise and burned down the abbott on R1 in about 3 seconds with a ratcatcher and this suboptimal build.

Sniper's Shot was huge.
So was the extra SA die, along with Sniper's making sure I was basically always dealing SA damage.

I just finished an Arti 2/Wizard 18 life, an I can safely say things died in two attacks using the Wizard, and only one with the Ranger/Rogue/Arti build (which, admittedly, meant the SA damage happened less often, because dead things take no more SA damage, even while bluffed)

[Sealsniper]

I am about to finish my racial completionist (2nd) on my ranged toon. I have heroic completionist, 3x all heroic non-caster lives, about 25 epic lives, and 9 iconic and +8 tomes and by end of week Racial completionist, extra enhancement tomes (universal, RL, etc.). I have 45 reaper points.

This toon used to be elf 14 Pali/6 monk monkcher, AA longbow build, so have all raid gear (up to newest raid) in dex/range based stuff.

Looking to stay ranged dps, thinking about inquisitor heavy xbow but looking for ideas. I have heard rumors of bard xbow build with 325+ range power...though don't know anything about it and i know shuricannon still viable...would just need to buy shuriken from Strahd (have runes).

I run mostly r10 end-game stuff, so need build for that.

I ran my other racial completionist as pure 20 WF arti for a long time (sadly all my good raid rune arms, PL x3 caster (DC), druid, etc. on him) before changing to elf 20 Sorc CC/insta kills.
Not too worried about leveling progression as will box to 18, level 400K xp, Epic Box to 28.5 and work to key for raids and run r10 for first time completions.

any suggestions/build ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Seal

[Pilgrim1]

I am about to finish my racial completionist (2nd) on my ranged toon. I have heroic completionist, 3x all heroic non-caster lives, about 25 epic lives, and 9 iconic and +8 tomes and by end of week Racial completionist, extra enhancement tomes (universal, RL, etc.). I have 45 reaper points.

This toon used to be elf 14 Pali/6 monk monkcher, AA longbow build, so have all raid gear (up to newest raid) in dex/range based stuff.

Looking to stay ranged dps, thinking about inquisitor heavy xbow but looking for ideas. I have heard rumors of bard xbow build with 325+ range power...though don't know anything about it and i know shuricannon still viable...would just need to buy shuriken from Strahd (have runes).

I run mostly r10 end-game stuff, so need build for that.

I ran my other racial completionist as pure 20 WF arti for a long time (sadly all my good raid rune arms, PL x3 caster (DC), druid, etc. on him) before changing to elf 20 Sorc CC/insta kills.
Not too worried about leveling progression as will box to 18, level 400K xp, Epic Box to 28.5 and work to key for raids and run r10 for first time completions.

any suggestions/build ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Seal

I currently run 18 rogue/2 artificer swapping between great xbow and duel xbows. The range dps is quite strong. It tops off at just above 300 RP with NHB running.

For the strongest range damage your looking for extra sources of doubleshot, ranged power, and add-on damage. I think the top 3 contenders are 18 rouge/2 arti (for SA), 18 fighter/2 arti (bonus feets for more ranged power and extra action boosts for more sustained), and 20 wizard (or 18) for EK imues.

The advantage of the rogue split is you can invest 31 ap into mechanic and have very strong great xbow damage which is good because volley is the only source of legendary salt available. Both the wizard and fighter options have more ap to play with. I haven't sat down and done dps calculations for highest dps, other then knowing that duel xbows does ~5-10% more dos the great xbows.

Ranger can get killer and has some other stuff so it might be worth taking a look there as well, tho i suspect a rogue with killer would do more dmg.

[Sealsniper]

I've only run 18-20 briefly on arti/rog mix, it seemed to me that when i charged and used runearm, i was only getting single heavy xbow use? Is this as intended or does dual xbow work with runearm charging?

please confirm

Thanks,

[GeoffWatson]

I've only run 18-20 briefly on arti/rog mix, it seemed to me that when i charged and used runearm, i was only getting single heavy xbow use? Is this as intended or does dual xbow work with runearm charging?

please confirm

Thanks,

It works fine.

Looks stupid though. (Holds the left crossbow sideways).

[droid327]

It works fine.

Looks stupid though. (Holds the left crossbow sideways).

Yeah I'd love it if they made arti inqui with RA wield a double xbow instead of double xbows....like one single-hand xbow with two limbs and strings stacked vertically. Just take the current model and clone the limbs on top. That preserves the two-shot mechanic in a very arti-appropriate way while still allowing for plausible runearm animations. I just don't see how you could do dual wield with a runearm and not look wonky.

[xBunny]

Favored Soul: great synergy, with the ability to use favored soul spells, diplomacy as a class skill, AND use CHA for attack and damage with the inquisitive ability that make crossbow a favored weapon, but you do not get extra damage from feats related to favored weapons, to verify but you don't seem to be getting extra damage either from the enhancment tree related to favored weapons

Just wonder if this was fixed in the following patches. Damage from fav weapon and enchantments in case of xbow and some investment into the warpriest can be significant adding another +5/8 to dmg and hit.

[Nordenfeldt]

Having done this, I'll chime in.
First thing: you won't get IPS until level 15. It's a huge power bump, but the build is already pretty powerful as-is.

At level 15, your levels should look like Rogue 7/Arti 2/Ranger 6. It's a pretty good level to have Sniper's Shot enabled after getting T5s in Inqui too.

As for ordering, it depends on whether you prioritize Evasion, Rogue 6, or Ranger 6. I strongly recommend starting with Arti 1, and using Repeaters until level 8 or so. Either way, all the feats you'll be taking will do just fine on a repeater.

I *love* runearms, so I took Arti 2 right away. Then Rogue 2.
This is where the real split happens. You can take Rogue 6 right away, to get more sneak attack die on your crossbow by freeing points from Harper and putting them in Mechanic, or go Ranger 6 right away and get the powerhouse that is Sniper's Shot enabled as soon as possible. I went Ranger, but either way's fine, really.

The build is POWERFUL. Really powerful. Amazingly so.

So, I know I'm asking a year later, but:

I really want to try this build. How do you arrange stats and feats? Need Int as main stat, but need 19 Dex for IPS. What are your starting stats, assuming 36 points?

Many thanks.

[Swimms]

So, I know I'm asking a year later, but:

I really want to try this build. How do you arrange stats and feats? Need Int as main stat, but need 19 Dex for IPS. What are your starting stats, assuming 36 points?

Many thanks.

The build in my signature is along the same concept except it gets IPS at 12, it was based in part from discussions in this thread.

[majorhavoc]

So, I know I'm asking a year later, but:

I really want to try this build. How do you arrange stats and feats? Need Int as main stat, but need 19 Dex for IPS. What are your starting stats, assuming 36 points?

Many thanks.

I have played this for the last 10 racial lives and I can solo R3s all day long.

New Build
12/6/2 Rogue/Ranger/Artificer
Chaotic Neutral Halfling




Level Order


1. Rogue. . . . . .6. Ranger. . . . .11. Rogue . . . . .16. Rogue
2. Ranger. . . . . 7. Rogue . . . . .12. Ranger . . . . 17. Rogue
3. Artificer . . . 8. Ranger . . . . 13. Rogue. . . . . 18. Rogue
4. Ranger. . . . . 9. Rogue . . . . .14. Rogue . . . . .19. Rogue
5. Artificer . . .10. Ranger . . . . 15. Rogue. . . . . 20. Rogue




Stats
. . . . . . . .36pt . . Tome . . Level Up
. . . . . . . .---- . . ----. . .--------
Strength. . . . .6. . . .+8. . . .4: INT
Dexterity . . . 14. . . .+8. . . .8: INT
Constitution. . 18. . . .+8. . . 12: INT
Intelligence. . 18. . . .+8. . . 16: INT
Wisdom. . . . . .8. . . .+8. . . 20: INT
Charisma. . . . .8. . . .+8. . . 24: INT
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .28: INT


Skills
. . . . .Rg Rn Ar Rn Ar Rn Rg Rn Rg Rn Rg Rn Rg Rg Rg Rg Rg Rg Rg Rg
. . . . . 1. 2 .3. 4 .5. 6 .7 .8. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
Heal. . . . .5. . .2. . .2. . .2. . .2. . .2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Disable . 4. . .2. . .2. . .2 . . 2. . .2 . . 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Open Lo . 4. . . . . .4. . .2 . . 2. . .2 . . 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Search. . 4. 1 .1. 1 .1. 1 .1 .1. 1. 1 .1 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Spot. . . 4. . . . 3 . . 2 . . 2 .1 .1. 1. 1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .23
Listen. . 4. . . . 1 . . 4 . . 2 . . 2 . . 2 . . 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Bluff . . 4. . . . . . . . .3 . . 5. . .2 . . 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Diplo . . 4. . . . . . . . . . . .2 . . 5. . .4 .2 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .23
Jump. . . 4. . . . 3 . . 2 . . 2 . . 2 . . 2 . . 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Hide. . . 4. . . . . . . . . . 1 . . 1 . . 2 . . 1. 3. 3. 3. 3. 1. 1. 23
Move Si . 4. . . . . . . . . . 1 . . 2 . . 2 . . 1. 2. 3. 3. 3. 1. 1. 23
UMD . . . 4. . . . . . . . .6 . . 2. . .2 . . 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Concent . . .5. . .2. 1 .1. . .2. . .2. . .2. . . . . . . . . . . . . 15
Balance . 4. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4 .5 .13
Spellcr . . . . 6 . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .8
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
. . . . .48 11. 9 12 10 12 14 13 15 13 15 14 16 16 16 17 17 17 17 18




Feats


.1. . . . : Least Dragonmark: Healing
.3. . . . : Completionist
.6. . . . : Point Blank Shot
.9. . . . : Weapon Focus: Ranged
12. . . . : Improved Critical: Ranged
15. . . . : Improved Precise Shot
18. . . . : Power Critical
21 Epic . : Combat Archery
24 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
26 Destiny: Holy Strike
27 Epic . : Blinding Speed
28 Destiny: Doubleshot
29 Destiny: Harbinger of Chaos
30 Epic . : Improved Sneak Attack
30 Legend : Scion of: Ethereal Plane


18 Rogue. : Improved Evasion


.2 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Lawful Outsider
10 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Undead




Spells


Ranger

1. Jump (8), Entangle (12)

Artificer

1. . Conjure Bolts* (3),. .Enchant Weapons* (3), . Enchant Armor* (5)

Enhancements (80+14 AP)


Inquisitive (41 AP)

• Inquisitive, Hit the Streets, Mind Like Iron, True Seeing, Undaunted, Master Inquisitive
  
  1. Dual Shooter, Eye for Accuracy III, Law on your Side
  2. Crossbow Adept, Wand and Scroll Mastery III, Improved Law
  3. Crossbow Adept, Shoot First, Intelligence
  4. Crossbow Adept, Martial Inquisition, Greater Law, Intelligence
  5. No Holds Barred, Improved Uncanny Dodge, Vigilante, Diplomatic Immunity

Deepwood Stalker (23 AP)

• Far Shot, Sneak Attack, Sniper Shot
  
  1. Favored Defense III, Stealthy III
  2. Survivalist, Melee/Range Power Boost II
  3. Survivalist, Thrill of the Hunt III, Favored Hunter II
  4. Killer III

Halfling (18 AP)

• Halfling Luck, Dexterity, Halfling Luck II, Dexterity II, Halfling Luck III
  
  1. Jorasco Dragonmark Focus III, Cunning I
  2. Lesser Dragonmark of Healing, Halfling Guile
  3. Greater Dragonmark of Healing, Halfling Guile
  4. Halfling Guile

Harper Agent (12 AP)

• Agent of Good I, Intelligence
  
  1. Traveler's Toughness II, Strategic Combat
  2. Know the Angles III
  3. Strategic Combat

Destiny (24 AP)


Legendary Dreadnought

1. Extra Action Boost III, Constitution
2. Damage Boost II, Constitution
3. Critical Damage III, Constitution
4. Constitution
5. Advancing Blows, Devastating Critical
6. Master's Blitz, Pulverizer

Twists of Fate (31 fate points)

1. Echoes of Martial (Tier 4 Fatesinger)
2. Meld into Darkness (Tier 3 Shadowdancer)
3. Stay Frosty (Tier 1 Shiradi)
4. Purge the Wicked (Tier 1 Crusader)
5. Intelligence (Tier 1 Draconic)

[droid327]

2 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Lawful Outsider

I think you mean Evil Outsider?

Both cover Reapers, but EO would also cover CE Outsiders (of which there are many, eg Demons), which is a lot more useful than covering LN or LG outsiders (which...are there even any?)

[Fedora1]

I think you mean Evil Outsider?

Both cover Reapers, but EO would also cover CE Outsiders (of which there are many, eg Demons), which is a lot more useful than covering LN or LG outsiders (which...are there even any?)

There are in The Archons' Trial. Not sure if there are other quests with LN/LG outsiders though.

[ShifterThePirate]

I'm trying out a Deep Gnome Inquisitive and I was wondering if it was worth the 17 racial action points to get the top tier Gnomish Weapon Training for the +1 Competence Bonus to Critical Threat Range... But I doubt that stacks with the stuff from Inquisitive tree right? So I would be wasting action points?

Gnomish Weapon Training Tier IV
+2 to hit and damage with light hammers, light maces, light picks, shortswords, shortbows, light crossbows, and light repeating crossbows.
+1 Competence Bonus to Critical Threat Range with the same weapons.

True Seeing
True Seeing: You permanently gain the effects of the True Seeing spell. You gain +1 Competence Bonus to Critical Threat Range and Multiplier with Light and Heavy (non-repeating) Crossbows. In addition, you gain +2 Damage dice with Law on your Side.

[Coffey]

I'm trying out a Deep Gnome Inquisitive and I was wondering if it was worth the 17 racial action points to get the top tier Gnomish Weapon Training for the +1 Competence Bonus to Critical Threat Range... But I doubt that stacks with the stuff from Inquisitive tree right? So I would be wasting action points?

Gnomish Weapon Training Tier IV
+2 to hit and damage with light hammers, light maces, light picks, shortswords, shortbows, light crossbows, and light repeating crossbows.
+1 Competence Bonus to Critical Threat Range with the same weapons.

True Seeing
True Seeing: You permanently gain the effects of the True Seeing spell. You gain +1 Competence Bonus to Critical Threat Range and Multiplier with Light and Heavy (non-repeating) Crossbows. In addition, you gain +2 Damage dice with Law on your Side.

They are both Competence bonus so they dont stack. There are some other really nice adds from that tree though.