Looking for a Vistani Build

[Loromir]

I'm looking for a Vistani Dagger build. I've considered a kensai vistani, swashbuckler vistani, tempest vistani...I've even seens a FVS Swashbucler vistani hybrid build.

What would be the best vistani build in you guys opinion? I like to start Iconic...but that is not a must. I do want to take it all the way to 30 and be strong in Epic/Legendary.

[simo0208]

I'm looking for a Vistani Dagger build. I've considered a kensai vistani, swashbuckler vistani, tempest vistani...I've even seens a FVS Swashbucler vistani hybrid build.

What would be the best vistani build in you guys opinion? I like to start Iconic...but that is not a must. I do want to take it all the way to 30 and be strong in Epic/Legendary.

The best?

Not entirely sure as most of the builds you listed there don’t need it.

My oure fvs vistani build is very good but he’s an uber completionist, so I have no idea if it would be great.

[Thrudh]

Here is my current knife build.

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...gh-reaper-PUGs


I HAVE run him using the Vistani capstone, and it's pretty decent. Great single target DPS, but no good AOE option.

Currently I'm running it using the Tempest Tier 5 options... Dance of Death is really good, but I still use daggers and have 13 AP in Vistani

18/2 ranger/barbarian using daggers

No problems running anything at cap.

You can try different enhancement and ED combinations and see what works for you.

[Fedora1]

Are rogues assassins in a bad place right now? I remember thinking there was some real good synergy (I hate that word btw) between assassin and vistani.

Shadar-kai for iconic.

[Memnir]

My favorite VKF build I have going right now is a pure monk that totally ditched the monk trees, and just went Vistani & Falconry. I call it The Way of the Whale.

[simo0208]

My favorite VKF build I have going right now is a pure monk that totally ditched the monk trees, and just went Vistani & Falconry. I call it The Way of the Whale.

But it only levels through otto boxes and improved epic otto boxes...

[Emerge2012]

I'm looking for a Vistani Dagger build. I've considered a kensai vistani, swashbuckler vistani, tempest vistani...I've even seens a FVS Swashbucler vistani hybrid build.

What would be the best vistani build in you guys opinion? I like to start Iconic...but that is not a must. I do want to take it all the way to 30 and be strong in Epic/Legendary.

A lot of things can work but I'd try sticking to builds where Vistani adds to it, like Divine melees/Eldritch Knight/Assassin/Druids, and allows the build to do something that it couldn't already do. Vistani fighters or rangers are actually taking a step in the wrong direction as they're capable of better DPS with better weapons already. A lot people don't want to admit it but daggers aren't very good.

[lillentle]

Well the obvious is a rogue?

Pure rogue, Halfling for extra sneak attack die. I went Shardar Kai because I've been liking epics lately, if you don't have any daggers go get the ones from that house K quest you get from turning in adamantine. Even better get Slice and Dice from Multitude of menace, maybe some drow weapon master daggers.

There isn't much too it, max out dex and you'll be able to assassinate most things as well. Heal scrolls to heal yourself/get a hireling.

Isn't as good solo but still very tough. I've also heard that fighting in vistani style slows down the attack speed(honestly I don't think it would but..) so I didn't take t1 in Vistani knife fighting.

[Thrudh]

A lot people don't want to admit it but daggers aren't very good.

This is fairly accurate, but there are some decent named daggers in the game. And Vistani does give you bonuses with daggers that helps make them better.

Rapid Slash is always on 20% doublestrike that you can get at level 1.
You can get 10% more doublestrike (main and off-hand)
You can get +1(w) which helps make up for some of the lower base damage of daggers
Free Quick Draw feat

Also, one can use a non-dagger weapon off-hand and still get some of the bonuses from Vistani.

Pain and Suffering (raid daggers from Baba and Strahd raids) are not bad.. There are better weapons... But together they are 7(w) weapons, and they become 8(w) weapons with Vistani enhancements.

Again, you're right... There are better weapons and better builds. But daggers in a Vistani's hands can be pretty decent.

[Loromir]

A lot of things can work but I'd try sticking to builds where Vistani adds to it, like Divine melees/Eldritch Knight/Assassin/Druids, and allows the build to do something that it couldn't already do. Vistani fighters or rangers are actually taking a step in the wrong direction as they're capable of better DPS with better weapons already. A lot people don't want to admit it but daggers aren't very good.

Since I have 18 other characters, and my two or three main characters are more mainstream builds...I'm looking more for flavor here. I ended up rolling up a Shadar Kai 18/2 Ranger Rogue Tempest Vistani. I decided to go for the Vistani Capstone over the Tempest Capstone thus the 2 rogue levels. I'm going dex based over str. I'm still debating if I want to go into tier 5 of Tempest for Dance of death or into tier 5 of Vistani. Again, this is more a flavor build, but DPS has been surprisingly good...better than I expected so far.

[Thrudh]

Since I have 18 other characters, and my two or three main characters are more mainstream builds...I'm looking more for flavor here. I ended up rolling up a Shadar Kai 18/2 Ranger Rogue Tempest Vistani. I decided to go for the Vistani Capstone over the Tempest Capstone thus the 2 rogue levels. I'm going dex based over str. I'm still debating if I want to go into tier 5 of Tempest for Dance of death or into tier 5 of Vistani. Again, this is more a flavor build, but DPS has been surprisingly good...better than I expected so far.

The nice thing it's easy to try both ways... Enhancements are easy to change. Vistani is indeed decent DPS. But Dance of Death is hard to give up.

[SpartanKiller13]

I've always considered SWF w/buckler like this one I wrote a year ago (swap StD stance for +6 Con if you're using EDF).

But with the updated negative PRR stuff, I'd probably look for a TWF build just to use Pain, Suffering, and a LGS Dust swap. Mainhand Pain (for Vulnerability), offhand Suffering/LGS - Suffering at least once/12s for the Melted Armor proc, and LGS Dust until stacks are maxed then only when needed to maintain stacks. Full stacks = +74% incoming physical, +32% incoming magical, and -100 HAMP so no incoming heals (does this work on Light Bearer/Hero's Soul champs?). And you can mostly use P&S for like trash; they look like a pretty solid set. Seems incredibly nice to have in any party, especially for raids.

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TWF is not my forte and hopefully someone better at this than me can come up with something better. But here's my build thoughts:

With TWF, obvious choice is Tempest/VKF mix. T5 Tempest seems obvious for trash (Dance of Death) but T5 in VKF would give you amazing defensive options (Mist Stalker V + Elaborate Parry = amazing Dodge etc) and thus might be better for PUG/soloing. Capstone wise, I think Tempest is better? 25% more offhand DS seems like more DPS than +5% AS, even with -10 MP. Requires Ranger 20 though.

Ranger 20
41 Tempest - capstone, T5
31 VKF - C5, T4 Doublestrike, Mist Stalker IV
6 DWS - C2, Stealthy

If you're not going for Tempest Capstone, Ranger past level 11 seems a bit lackluster. Core 4/5 are the only other things to consider, and with VKF on the table Tempest C4 is pretty weak as well. You don't need more crits, so what options are available? Cleric gives Domains (Luck for Displacement? Animal for Fort Bypass and HP?). Otherwise, Rogue for SA? I can't find any other way to do AP than 41/39 w/Tempest T5 lol. I think this version would have less DPS, but quite a bit more survivability.

41 VKF - Capstone
39 Tempest - T5

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If you ditch Tempest T5 and focus on single-target DPS, your options spread out immensely. I mean, you still want useful Stat-to-damage, but you could do Str w/Fighter & tactics (dip FvS 4+ and get 10% DS as well as Divine Will for extra DC's, 16/4 with hilarious DC's), Dex w/Rogue 3+ (lots of SA), Wis w/Falconry (& probably Cleric, like Animal = Feral Charge & Fort bypass, could do Vol w/Warpriest too), Int w/Harper (Deep Gnome for Color Spray?). But that's the land of shenanigans lol.

Probably 41 AP into VKF, but everything else is on the table. Even dipping Ranger 4+ with 23+ AP for Elaborate Parry.

[Kutalp]

Good day.


I had done this humble solo Vistani build which was fun to play and was pretty much a Die hard if played the right way.

Race: Human

Rogue8/Barbarian6/Fighter6

Vistani tree 41 AP including Knife Master Core,T5 Mist stalker,Blessed blades,Vistani knife training 5)

Fighter Stalward defender tree 12 AP (Stalwart defense,Resilient defense,Durable defense.Armor expertise,Shield/Weapon expertise)

Barbarian Occult Slayer 18 AP (Three core up to Elemental defense.Parrying bond,Guarding Bond.Uncanny dodger.Lessons of Travel. Kinetic Bond)

Rogue Mechanic 8 AP (Arbalester,Awarenes1,Mechanics3,Wand and scroll mastery 3)

Frenzied berserker 1 AP (Die hard - Optional)


Overlapping Passive Dodge, Uncanny dodge, Physical and Magical Resistance, Saves, Traps saves. Around base/unbuffed 500 HP without too much effort; without having to grab a shield.

Skills: Max Spot,Search,Disable device,UMD. High enough Jump,Balance,Bluff,Open lock,Move silently,Hide. 1 points to each of Diplomacy,Haggle,Intimidate,Tumble,Listen (Support all skills with items that has the best boost. Swap further while scrolling,wanding or when you re about to use social skills.)

Feats:

Good to have

Improved feint, entire Whirlwind attack line.Two weapon fighting feats. Keep moving when fighting in and out the monsters. These feats boost the performance further.

Nice to have Point blank shot and Rapid shot. Vistani allready has Quickdraw. Improved critical Piercing. Two Weapon fighting Line.


Starts with almost equal Strength,Dexterity,Constitution,Intelligence. All of these stats support survival. (Seek ability boosting items that also have insight bonus to same or other ability points)

Enough Dexterity for TWF line is fair enough. 15 starting Dexterity is fair enough 14 starting strength, constitution, and intelligence is fair enough. 16 intelligence is not a must. However it is pretty staisfying for a skiller/quester/survivor build. If you buy Tomes through plat, buy Intelligence first, Dexterity later. 16 Base strength and ability boosting items help alot against weakening,enfeebling etc spells. 8-12 strength isnt enough.

Boosting a single stat for fighting has minor effects compared to what feats,enhancements,items and active clickies allready give. Additionally it costs more than it helps when it comes to survival under the effects of spells, monster special attacks. (My humble opinon) +3/+4 to hit and damage or combat tactics can easily be covered through many ways. Combat tactics isnt even a must have with a rogue splash build that has many other tricks under the belt- Improved feint,whirlwind attack but also less favorite feats such as Sap is powerfull to change the direction of a fight when combined with raw physical fighting style. Add special attacks and effects from enhancement trees and weapons,armors etc. over that.


Random loot items:

Focus at Physical and Magical Resistance, Constitution/Hardy/Health, Deflection and Defense, Natural armor bonus items. Preferably Deadly/Search combo googles. Extra spot with extra fortification or saves helmets/can carry more than one for gloves,helmets,goggles etc to swap at will.

Striding/Featherfall boots. Deathblock/Insert Bracers. Hasty/Tendon slice gloves. Dexterity ring, Deflection/Defense ring, Charisma ring. Astute/Natural armor bonus cloak. Underwater action item.

For Trinket I use Voice of the Master from Delera's.

2x Vorpal/Deception/Critical Piercing Daggers (If available with adamantine etc) - Overall best performance vs anything.

1x Curspewing dagger. Optional Elemental daggers. Optional with allready existing clicky at Vistani tree but still nice to carry Ghostbane,Silver, Holy.

Glass, stone , wood item for Oooze, Rust monster.

Daily Heal clicky items x 4-6. Types of Healing wands. Combo with various Cure pots.

Roderic's Wand (Endless summoning to create tactical chaos during your skirmishes comboed with Social skills) from Phiarlan carnival rewards. Can be comboed with Summoning scrolls. Wand of remove Curse/Disease. Wand of Resist energy, Stoneskin. Wand of Shield (Protection from magic missiles), Wand of remove blindness. Blur...

Scrolls of Restoration, Heal, Raise dead, Teleport.


The build works descent at Epics solo/raids and even at lower Reaper (have not tried higher ones since its a fresh build)



I hope you enjoy.

[Thrudh]

But with the updated negative PRR stuff, I'd probably look for a TWF build just to use Pain, Suffering, and a LGS Dust swap. Mainhand Pain (for Vulnerability), offhand Suffering/LGS - Suffering at least once/12s for the Melted Armor proc, and LGS Dust until stacks are maxed then only when needed to maintain stacks. Full stacks = +74% incoming physical, +32% incoming magical, and -100 HAMP so no incoming heals (does this work on Light Bearer/Hero's Soul champs?). And you can mostly use P&S for like trash; they look like a pretty solid set. Seems incredibly nice to have in any party, especially for raids.

I agree with this. Working on getting Dust now (Just need one more large stone)

If you ditch Tempest T5 and focus on single-target DPS, your options spread out immensely. I mean, you still want useful Stat-to-damage, but you could do Str w/Fighter & tactics (dip FvS 4+ and get 10% DS as well as Divine Will for extra DC's, 16/4 with hilarious DC's), Dex w/Rogue 3+ (lots of SA), Wis w/Falconry (& probably Cleric, like Animal = Feral Charge & Fort bypass, could do Vol w/Warpriest too), Int w/Harper (Deep Gnome for Color Spray?). But that's the land of shenanigans lol.

Probably 41 AP into VKF, but everything else is on the table. Even dipping Ranger 4+ with 23+ AP for Elaborate Parry.

This is also correct. All kinds of options if you go with Vistani capstone. Then you can play around with types of different class splits. Again, single-target/boss DPS is very good with Vistani capstone. But AOE is weak... And that makes it harder to solo.