View Poll Results: add a checkbox to remove champions from heroic hard and elite

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    Default option to remove champs from heroic hard&elite

    Now that we have reapers, can we have a check box on the quest panels to disable champions for the hard and elite difficulty?
    It's not about difficulty (so stop whining about playing normal), it breaks immersion and some of us want to play the game was intended instead this remake for a vocal 5%
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    Not to derail the thread, but then can you make 2hf NOT suck so much compared to 2wf or swf?
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    There is zero chance we will remove Champions from Heroic hard and elite. Champions are meant to provide an increased difficulty to these difficulty levels, which had become too easy over time for the reward they offered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordovan View Post
    There is zero chance we will remove Champions from Heroic hard and elite. Champions are meant to provide an increased difficulty to these difficulty levels, which had become too easy over time for the reward they offered.
    For the triple completionists maybe, thats still besides the issue (see first post, it's not about the dificulty)
    I wasn't asking about removing it, i was asking to make it optional
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    Not to derail the thread, but then can you make 2hf NOT suck so much compared to 2wf or swf?
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    8 pages in, that train has already sailed. The dead horse is canned into cat food by now.

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    I find your options in your poll amusing.

    Current hard and elite are good and none of my toons are triple completionist. If anything Elite should be tougher, but then we have Reaper now so maybe not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrscreammeface View Post
    I find your options in your poll amusing.

    Current hard and elite are good and none of my toons are triple completionist. If anything Elite should be tougher, but then we have Reaper now so maybe not.
    again, missing the point, it's not about the difficulty, i want the game to return to ddo instead of the diablo 1/2/3 formula.
    all i'm asking for is a checkbox to turn it off, make it solo only if needed, i hate looking at those stupid crowns, it takes me out of the experience.
    It breaks the rpg immersion and makes it too much of a video game
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    Not to derail the thread, but then can you make 2hf NOT suck so much compared to 2wf or swf?
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    8 pages in, that train has already sailed. The dead horse is canned into cat food by now.

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    This is a terrible idea and I'm glad Cordo gave it the response it deserved.

    If your issue is really that you don't like the crowns asking for a checkbox labeled "hide champion crowns" in the options panel would be much more reasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lyrecono View Post
    again, missing the point, it's not about the difficulty, i want the game to return to ddo instead of the diablo 1/2/3 formula.
    all i'm asking for is a checkbox to turn it off, make it solo only if needed, i hate looking at those stupid crowns, it takes me out of the experience.
    It breaks the rpg immersion and makes it too much of a video game
    You are asking for a pretty big mechanics change just to keep your (that is you, single person) rpg immersion.

    Maybe you should ask for a checkbox that makes the crowns invisible so you don't know which mobs are champions... I actually like that idea... Even more challenging, and no immersion loss for you.
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    What if they keep champions but have an option to swap from crown/title to "red glow", like rage or such for some visual identification that this monster is "USING buffs" and a tougher challenge. That appears to what is being requested.
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    The poll choices are dumb.
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    You are the one choosing not to play alts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordovan View Post
    There is zero chance we will remove Champions from Heroic hard and elite. Champions are meant to provide an increased difficulty to these difficulty levels, which had become too easy over time for the reward they offered.
    What about under new management? Is there a giant comment in the code:

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    // Warning, do not disable champs in hard or elite or Severlin will come back and be really angry.
    // No newbs!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gratch View Post
    What if they keep champions but have an option to swap from crown/title to "red glow", like rage or such for some visual identification that this monster is "USING buffs" and a tougher challenge. That appears to what is being requested.
    Though this would help immensely to get rid of the video game elements that take away from the D&D/rpg immersion, there is also the issue of trying to bring in new players and get them up and running.
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    Not to derail the thread, but then can you make 2hf NOT suck so much compared to 2wf or swf?
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    8 pages in, that train has already sailed. The dead horse is canned into cat food by now.

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    LOL, i love the inherent biast in the answers.

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    Why should the people who enjoy them have a harder time on Hard and Elite getting XP then you do, just because you find a graphic to be lore-breaking? Yes they enjoy the challenge, but it seems broken and selfish that you'd get to skate by without the extra layer of challenge just because you don't want to look at a crown.

    No to the check-box, and no to removing them from Elite and Hard.
    If a check-box has to be added, I like Thrudh's idea of it just hiding the crown. If the crown is more of the issue then the challenge - that should suffice, yes?
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    Thank you for the laugh. Almost makes me wonder if you were part of the group that helped do the polling in the last year were everyone is surprised the results didn't even come close to actual numbers

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    there is already a check box!

    its called normal.

    if you play on normal you dont have champions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lyrecono View Post
    again, missing the point, it's not about the difficulty, i want the game to return to ddo instead of the diablo 1/2/3 formula.
    all i'm asking for is a checkbox to turn it off, make it solo only if needed, i hate looking at those stupid crowns, it takes me out of the experience.
    It breaks the rpg immersion and makes it too much of a video game
    So you want option to disable crowns (graphic effect)?
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    You get a gold star for logic and unbiasd data collection, you are a rare breed and I salute you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobgoblin View Post
    there is already a check box!

    its called normal.

    if you play on normal you dont have champions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordovan View Post
    There is zero chance we will remove Champions from Heroic hard and elite. Champions are meant to provide an increased difficulty to these difficulty levels, which had become too easy over time for the reward they offered.
    That was before you added Reaper and even then I for one vehemently disagree that Heroic Elite was "too easy"!

    With Reaper in game there's 10 levels ABOVE Elite!

    Get Champions out of Hard and Elite {Epic as well as Heroic!}.

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