Togg the Winter Wolf 2.0 10D/6R/4F

[SemanticMirage]

Seems like none of these builds benefit from 4 ranger levels anymore unless you can not take ITWF once you take SWF. My understanding is as long as you get 2 ranger levels you are good. I suspect you are taking the 4 ranger now just to get the TWF and ITWF feats and since you have no fighter levels, you are possibly feat starved and need the free feats. Would the rogue version have absolutely no points in ranger trees? I guess you might be able to put a few in for speed burst. I wish someone had that build posted.

4 ranger gives u t4 DWS for killer

[SeveredSteel]

Seems like none of these builds benefit from 4 ranger levels anymore unless you can not take ITWF once you take SWF. My understanding is as long as you get 2 ranger levels you are good. I suspect you are taking the 4 ranger now just to get the TWF and ITWF feats and since you have no fighter levels, you are possibly feat starved and need the free feats. Would the rogue version have absolutely no points in ranger trees? I guess you might be able to put a few in for speed burst. I wish someone had that build posted.

As the poster stated above, it is for for tier 4 dws to grab killer. There are a few other small benefits being Camo spell (if you're taking sneak of shadows and scion ethereal feats). The monk version is the most feat starved and there isn't a way to acquire Overwhelming critical and master stances. The monk KI attacks are ridiculously strong on these builds because they can quad-strike. I would suggest Dire Charge for any build because it is the best melee cc in the game.

The rogue build AP would be;
23 assassin for killer(better than dws for the build)
13 harrier
26 acrobat for 13% movement speed, no mercy, and improved defensive roll. (dex based main stat. 2 rogue feats being defensive roll and improved evasion)

Rest of AP is really up to preference. Could be harper AP for melee power, or tempest for electric imbue. The rogue build doesn't really need 4 ranger. Could be 15ro/3d/2r getting another sneak die from 15 RO and 2% more speed.

[unbongwah]

Another possibility is to switch to T5 DWS for Strikes Like Lightning (+10% doublestrike) and Imp Archer's Focus (+5 Melee Power). Use Exposing Strike for the SA vulnerability; works well if you have Ethereal Plane Scion feat.

[CPDK9]

Is Alpha Strike now a viable option for AOE attack? Unbongwah, you posted an Alpha Strike build a while back that I requested as an option to DoD.

[CPDK9]

After digging around my stacks of paperwork on builds, I found the info Unbongwah had posted: 34+ APs in NW for Alpha Strike and Natural Adept, 26 APs in DWS for Exposing Strike and max Killer, with remaining spread between SD, Kensai, and human. I'm not sure if that was before the Kensai pass which may change the AP spread.

[TreTT]

You're right in that the weapon doesn't really matter as long as you are proficient with it and its one handed. Either of the axes are an option.
I currently have a thunder forged dagger so thats why I am posted it that way.
On the LSM it would require dropping both healing power and purge the wicked which isn't too bad but the dropping of a weapon focus and in my case the paladin past life result in a loss of 2 melee power and 6 mins of 3 damage and 3 hit.
So it comes out to 15 PRR and 7% doublestrike compared to 30 postive sp, boss debuffs, 2 melee power, and 3 damage and to hit which is not worth it in my opinion.
For Headman's chop it is ahead in dps but not far in front of 2 strength.

Why imp crit bludgeoning if you are using slash weapons?

also if i posted this wrong forgive me this is my first time posting.

[unbongwah]

Why imp crit bludgeoning if you are using slash weapons?

FYI, this build has been nerfed pretty hard by the latest update and should NOT be used as posted in the OP. The Tempest abilities which the OP used do NOT work in animal forms anymore.

But you take IC:Blunt feat because wolf (and bear) form attacks are considered unarmed, which falls under the Blunt weapon category.

[TreTT]

FYI, this build has been nerfed by the latest update and should NOT be used as posted in the OP. The Tempest abilities which the OP used do NOT work in animal forms anymore.

But you take IC:Blunt feat because wolf (and bear) form attacks are considered unarmed, which falls under the Blunt weapon category.

Thanks Unbongwah. I'd like to take the time to say I appreciate the work you put in and enjoy trying out your builds.

That being said do you have any suggestions for a first time wolf build. I don't normally melee but i want to give it a good shot for quick druid PLs.

My heroic PLs are 3xcleric, 3xFS, 1xfighter,1xmonk,1xpaladin,1x ranger,3x Sorc,1xwarlock, 3x wizard. Any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

[Stoner81]

Thanks Unbongwah. I'd like to take the time to say I appreciate the work you put in and enjoy trying out your builds.

That being said do you have any suggestions for a first time wolf build. I don't normally melee but i want to give it a good shot for quick druid PLs.

My heroic PLs are 3xcleric, 3xFS, 1xfighter,1xmonk,1xpaladin,1x ranger,3x Sorc,1xwarlock, 3x wizard. Any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Do a Google search for Pastlifenmo.

Stoner81.

[TreTT]

Do a Google search for Pastlifenmo.

Stoner81.

I'll check it out thanks.

[Stoner81]

I'll check it out thanks.

No worries glad to help it's the build that I used for nearly all of my Heroic lives since I wanted a build that would do everything and not give me the headache of re-gearing every life. The build is rather old now but it's still functional, the main change I would do is switch to handwraps instead of shortswords so as you can still use Stunning Fist in animal form.

Stoner81.

[unbongwah]

the main change I would do is switch to handwraps instead of shortswords so as you can still use Stunning Fist in animal form.

I thought Stunning Fist no longer worked in wolf form even with handwraps? SO hard to keep up with all the wolf bugs...

[Kdeux]

I test it today and Stunning fist as a animal doesn't work.. well atleast with the wolf, with or without the handwraps.

[Stoner81]

I thought Stunning Fist no longer worked in wolf form even with handwraps? SO hard to keep up with all the wolf bugs...

The last I knew was that Stunning Fist only needed handwraps to be equipped to work.

I test it today and Stunning fist as a animal doesn't work.. well atleast with the wolf, with or without the handwraps.

Oh man that sucks! Sorry

Stoner81.

[TreTT]

The last I knew was that Stunning Fist only needed handwraps to be equipped to work.



Oh man that sucks! Sorry

Stoner81.

Sadly i had noticed that the stunning fist did not work in wolf form. thank you for the tip though.

One other question. In Pastlifenmo's build he uses the Henshin Mystic tree, the 1st core i understand for the increased melee power but why the staff training and quick strike if I am not using staves and if quick strike doesn't work in wolf form?

[Drag-]

The updated build I have been trying out is 10 druid 8 fighter 2 ranger.

Still human and true neutral

Feat and Level Order:
1 Druid: Quicken and SWF
2 Druid: Wolf
3 Druid: Completionst
4 Druid
5 Druid: Bear
6 Druid: WF Bludgeon
7 Druid:
8 Ranger:
9 Ranger: ISWF
10 Fighter: ITWF
11 Fighter: Improved Crit Bludgeon
12 Druid: Precision
13 Druid:
14 Fighter
15 Fighter: GSWF and GTWF
16 Fighter:
17 Fighter: WS Bludgeon
18 Fighter: Natural Fighting
19 Fighter: GWF Bludgeon
20 Druid
21: Overwhelming Crit
24: Natural Fighting
26: PTWF
27: Natural Fighting
28: Elusive Target
29: Harbinger of Chaos
30: Scion of Arborea and a flex slot

Enhancements
Human
Melee Action boost
Heal amp
2/3 str boosting

Nature warrior
3 Cores
3/3 Wild empathy
1/3 Shifting Rake
3/3 Flight
1/3 Vengeful Hunter
3/3 Fight
3/3 Fatal Harrier

Stalwart Defender
2 Cores
3/3 Durable Defense
1/3 Defense Mastery
3/3 Resilient Defense
3/3 Armor expertise
3/3 Tenacious Defender
3/3 Shield Expertise
1 Str
Swift Defense
3/3 Strong Defense

Kensai
3 Cores
3/3 Extra Boosts
Weapon line
3/3 Haste Boost
1/3 Critical Mastery
1/3 Shattering Strike
2 Str
Opportunity Strike
Strike at the Heart
A Good Death
Weapon Master
One with the Blade

Deepwood Sniper
First Core

The build still shreds.

[CPDK9]

The updated build I have been trying out is 10 druid 8 fighter 2 ranger.

Still human and true neutral

Feat and Level Order:
1 Druid: Quicken and SWF
2 Druid: Wolf
3 Druid: Completionst
4 Druid
5 Druid: Bear
6 Druid: WF Bludgeon
7 Druid:
8 Ranger:
9 Ranger: ISWF
10 Fighter: ITWF
11 Fighter: Improved Crit Bludgeon
12 Druid: Precision
13 Druid:
14 Fighter
15 Fighter: GSWF and GTWF
16 Fighter:
17 Fighter: WS Bludgeon
18 Fighter: Natural Fighting
19 Fighter: GWF Bludgeon
20 Druid
21: Overwhelming Crit
24: Natural Fighting
26: PTWF
27: Natural Fighting
28: Elusive Target
29: Harbinger of Chaos
30: Scion of Arborea and a flex slot

Enhancements
Human
Melee Action boost
Heal amp
2/3 str boosting

Nature warrior
3 Cores
3/3 Wild empathy
1/3 Shifting Rake
3/3 Flight
1/3 Vengeful Hunter
3/3 Fight
3/3 Fatal Harrier

Stalwart Defender
2 Cores
3/3 Durable Defense
1/3 Defense Mastery
3/3 Resilient Defense
3/3 Armor expertise
3/3 Tenacious Defender
3/3 Shield Expertise
1 Str
Swift Defense
3/3 Strong Defense

Kensai
3 Cores
3/3 Extra Boosts
Weapon line
3/3 Haste Boost
1/3 Critical Mastery
1/3 Shattering Strike
2 Str
Opportunity Strike
Strike at the Heart
A Good Death
Weapon Master
One with the Blade

Deepwood Sniper
First Core

The build still shreds.

I thought Strike (Core 3) did not work with animal form or have you found it does work? I was curious about a build like this dropping Ranger levels for Fighter and just make sure starting Dex (plus tomes) will get you ITWF and GTWF. I take it you do not miss having an AOE attack like Alpha Strike or Whirlwind Attack.

[Drag-]

I thought Strike (Core 3) did not work with animal form or have you found it does work? I was curious about a build like this dropping Ranger levels for Fighter and just make sure starting Dex (plus tomes) will get you ITWF and GTWF. I take it you do not miss having an AOE attack like Alpha Strike or Whirlwind Attack.

The Critical Damage Multiplier does not work but it still gives 1% double strike and another stack of battle mediation from the 2nd core.
Also my original build never had whirlwind or alpha strike as they are pretty poor aoe damage. Instead you just kill an individual enemy quick enough that it doesn't matter.

[Flintridge]

The updated build I have been trying out is 10 druid 8 fighter 2 ranger.

Still human and true neutral

Feat and Level Order:
1 Druid: Quicken and SWF
2 Druid: Wolf
3 Druid: Completionst
4 Druid
5 Druid: Bear
6 Druid: WF Bludgeon
7 Druid:
8 Ranger:
9 Ranger: ISWF
10 Fighter: ITWF
11 Fighter: Improved Crit Bludgeon
12 Druid: Precision
13 Druid:
14 Fighter
15 Fighter: GSWF and GTWF
16 Fighter:
17 Fighter: WS Bludgeon
18 Fighter: Natural Fighting
19 Fighter: GWF Bludgeon
20 Druid
21: Overwhelming Crit
24: Natural Fighting
26: PTWF
27: Natural Fighting
28: Elusive Target
29: Harbinger of Chaos
30: Scion of Arborea and a flex slot

Enhancements
Human
Melee Action boost
Heal amp
2/3 str boosting

Nature warrior
3 Cores
3/3 Wild empathy
1/3 Shifting Rake
3/3 Flight
1/3 Vengeful Hunter
3/3 Fight
3/3 Fatal Harrier

Stalwart Defender
2 Cores
3/3 Durable Defense
1/3 Defense Mastery
3/3 Resilient Defense
3/3 Armor expertise
3/3 Tenacious Defender
3/3 Shield Expertise
1 Str
Swift Defense
3/3 Strong Defense

Kensai
3 Cores
3/3 Extra Boosts
Weapon line
3/3 Haste Boost
1/3 Critical Mastery
1/3 Shattering Strike
2 Str
Opportunity Strike
Strike at the Heart
A Good Death
Weapon Master
One with the Blade

Deepwood Sniper
First Core

The build still shreds.

What are your character starting stats for this?

[Drag-]

What are your character starting stats for this?

I think I started out with

Str: 17
Dex: 14
Con: 16
Int: 12
Wis: 11
Cha: 8

But the starting numbers in original build are still good.