Nerf SWF's 2x stat mod to damage down to 1.5x

[Rull]

In order to balance the fighting style with TWF, THF and arguably S&B, the bonus that SWF gets you when you have all 3 feats should probably be 1.5 you damage stat modifier.

-edit- This is more of an illustration of how a topic that has had a very heated discussion before was silenced not by changing the mechanic but by changing just the description of the mechanic. People went silent about it and probably many switched from SWF to THF, while in actuality SWF stayed as good as it was before.
In other words, descriptions matter.

While I think balance is important and we should have interesting choices, I actually want this ability to be changed just to match it's description, because it is even more important to know what you are choosing when offered a choice.

[depositbox]

In order to balance the fighting style with TWF, THF and arguably S&B, the bonus that SWF gets you when you have all 3 feats should probably be 1.5 you damage stat modifier.

it is. you'll live.

[Vargouille]

Done!

[twigzz]

Done!

Good job! and so fast! Props!

[janave]

Done!

What about those wolf form rangers?

Some of the numbers you guys add to revisited trees seem ..excessive to me, even tho i support melee type buffs generally. Is not the point of balancing to bring char. abilities in line with the current "well performers"?

Many of the complaints of the game being too easy is the product of builds that feel broken vs other characters. You can win most of the challenges in DDO with burst DPS / brute force - if it remains so for future content, id recommend balancing DPS for 2 people on normal, 4 on hard and 6+ on elite.

Instead of adding flat +%dps in any form of new or old stats, what about revisiting some tactical feat cooldowns, i know you added new tricks into the revamped trees, and they work fine.. if not being easy buttons at the moment.

[ToastyFred]

In order to balance the fighting style with TWF, THF and arguably S&B, the bonus that SWF gets you when you have all 3 feats should probably be 1.5 you damage stat modifier.

Yeah...this was done some time ago.

You need to catch up.

[TempestAlphaOmega]

In order to balance the fighting style with TWF, THF and arguably S&B, the bonus that SWF gets you when you have all 3 feats should probably be 1.5 you damage stat modifier.

In case you are wondering about the responses above, 1.5 stat mod to damage is what the top tier of SWF does on Live right now.

[Rull]

In case you are wondering about the responses above, 1.5 stat mod to damage is what the top tier of SWF does on Live right now.

The problem is that that's just not true.

I do remember the release notes of U23 claiming such, but at the time I thought it was just something that had slipped into the notes from some outdated lammania build.

[Rull]

I see the description of the feat does say 1.5x now (but the actual effect is 2x)

[ToastyFred]

I see the description of the feat does say 1.5x now (but the actual effect is 2x)

Wrong.

[Rull]

Wrong.

Well, the description reads something like "+50% damage from related ability score". Close enough.

[jaggyjag]

In order to balance the fighting style with TWF, THF and arguably S&B, the bonus that SWF gets you when you have all 3 feats should probably be 1.5 you damage stat modifier.

I tend not to believe this is happening, but even if it was... so what?

How is this hurting you or your game play experience? seriously how? come on, take a second and tell me how in this cooperative game is this impacting anything?

[totalmir]

This seems to be a Divine Might bug,and not the SWF bug,so I think the bards and non-pali/fvs/cleric toons will be unaffected by this fix.

[Connman]

I tend not to believe this is happening, but even if it was... so what?

How is this hurting you or your game play experience? seriously how? come on, take a second and tell me how in this cooperative game is this impacting anything?

It hurts all the people that rely on what the words say on the screen to make build decisions. Either change the description back or change the damage to fit the description.

As far as I am concerned with SWF, meh, you have two hands for a reason, to hang on to a big greataxe.

Now Sev, just give me the monkey grip feat so I can use a great axe with SWF and I will be sold on it.

[jaggyjag]

It hurts all the people that rely on what the words say on the screen to make build decisions. Either change the description back or change the damage to fit the description.

As far as I am concerned with SWF, meh, you have two hands for a reason, to hang on to a big greataxe.

Now Sev, just give me the monkey grip feat so I can use a great axe with SWF and I will be sold on it.

HOW? how does a character doing MORE damage then what the word may say on the screen hurt anyone? (note, I doubt that it is happening mind you) but really explain to me how doing more damage then you expect to do is hurting someone?

Hmmmm... but wait look here, you prefer THF, okay fair enough except how can someone doing more damage then listed in SWF hurt or impact you.... See I could understand your claims if this alleged glitch was in some way lessening the damage that THF did, That would be a problem right?

But that's not what is being alleged here is it?

So how, and I really mean HOW is it going to hurt anyone, or anyone's game if someone using SWF is doing more damage?

Unless this is a question of ego, in the case where some one gets upset that their personal favorite fighting style might, just might not be the uber variant of fighting in DDO. In which case that type of person can only be happy if they know other players can't match them. See in that case I could see where SWF doing more damage could hurt something, it would most likely be hurting that type of person in their Epeen.

[Highlander]

Calm down.

Just read that first sentence of his post again.

People making builds based on feat or enhancement descriptions assume those descriptions are correct, when you look at something and go "meh" because it looks lackluster but it's better ingame, you're hurting people's ability to make accurate build decisions.

He's not screaming "NERF!".. I mean, he actually said "change the description back or change the damage to fit the description".

:-)
Did you read. The thread title mate? :-)

[Connman]

HOW? how does a character doing MORE damage then what the word may say on the screen hurt anyone? (note, I doubt that it is happening mind you) but really explain to me how doing more damage then you expect to do is hurting someone?

Hmmmm... but wait look here, you prefer THF, okay fair enough except how can someone doing more damage then listed in SWF hurt or impact you.... See I could understand your claims if this alleged glitch was in some way lessening the damage that THF did, That would be a problem right?

But that's not what is being alleged here is it?

So how, and I really mean HOW is it going to hurt anyone, or anyone's game if someone using SWF is doing more damage?

Unless this is a question of ego, in the case where some one gets upset that their personal favorite fighting style might, just might not be the uber variant of fighting in DDO. In which case that type of person can only be happy if they know other players can't match them. See in that case I could see where SWF doing more damage could hurt something, it would most likely be hurting that type of person in their Epeen.

I think you might be taking this a bit personal, it hurts people that pass on something because it is better than it is listed. It isn't about TWF vs SWF vs Epeen 1 vs Epeen 2. It is about lets make sure things do what they say. Lets try to keep things consistent. Either way nobody is truly harmed by any of this, unless they are easily agitated and have a weak heart.

Sev is the one who is probably put out the most, getting yelled at for saying yup I fixed that, then turns out forgot to hit save or something.

[jaggyjag]

I think you might be taking this a bit personal, it hurts people that pass on something because it is better than it is listed. It isn't about TWF vs SWF vs Epeen 1 vs Epeen 2. It is about lets make sure things do what they say. Lets try to keep things consistent. Either way nobody is truly harmed by any of this, unless they are easily agitated and have a weak heart.

Sev is the one who is probably put out the most, getting yelled at for saying yup I fixed that, then turns out forgot to hit save or something.

No, not personal for me. I don't play SWF toons. But I do find the transparent attempt by others who prefer other fighting styles to get SWF nerfed offensive.

And please explain how "better than it is listed" is hurting anyone who takes it, or who doesn't. And definitely explain how the person "that pass on something" are being hurt, they can always go back and take it if they want, it not like it is a P2W issue, like a class, race, or epic destinies that a player would have to pay for or be VIP to use.

Please, lets stop pretending and acknowledge this thread for what it is, people who prefer THF, want to be sure that SWF are not as powerful. That's all this is, otherwise just report it and look for it in the know issues. This is just a paranoid leftover of the segment of the player base who insisted after SWF came out that it be nerfed, Epeen fight plan and simple.