Armor-piercing stacking?

[Rys]

Are different values of armor-piercing stacking or did I miss some stealth nerf that didn't make it to the release notes?

[janave]

What types are you referring to?

Feat ,like precision?
Items, like black dragon armor?
Abilities like Wrack construct?
Effects like "destruction" on hit -fort

I am interested as well!

[Krelar]

Are different values of armor-piercing stacking or did I miss some stealth nerf that didn't make it to the release notes?

If the combat log is correct different values of armor-piercing on equipment havent' stacked for quite a while. I think it broke around or shortly after epic gianthold, which is ironic because it was during the loot discussion of rebellion out of FoT that we got an official dev response that different values were supposed to stack.

[Alternative]

It would be great if we could get a dev's reply on this.

Let's make a crowd then, maybe one of them budges!

Each time they don't reply to this kind of questions makes me think they don't know it themselves

[noble_pirate]

different types stacks, same types not

so you can have 35% from TF weapon, precision, grim precision, Opportunist rogue feat etc..

but not 35 from TF + 15 from black flawless robe - because its same Enhancement bonus

[Alternative]

but not 35 from TF + 15 from black flawless robe - because its same Enhancement bonus

it doesnt say anywhere on those items that they are enhancement bonus so your guess is as good as any

[Rys]

different types stacks, same types not
but not 35 from TF + 15 from black flawless robe - because its same Enhancement bonus

it doesnt say anywhere on those items that they are enhancement bonus so your guess is as good as any

This is from the combat log (same if I pair Rebellion and Thunderforged):

(Effects): You have multiple effects granting an Enhancement bonus to Fortification Bypass Chance that do not stack. ( Flawless Black Dragonscale Docent and Complete Thunder-Forged Alloy Longbow )
(Effects): --- Enhancement modifier to Fortification Bypass Chance: +35%

So from the description in combat log it should not stack. But we all know how the description works in DDO. Not confirmed from testing.

This is the description on items:

Flawless Dragonscale Armor says it is the enhancement bonus.


Rebellion says it is the enhancement bonus.


Thundeforged does not specify.


Armor and Rebellion obviously do not stack (you can get two different values in total of 35% if you won't upgreade one of the items tho) but what about Thunderforged and Rebellion/Thunderforged and Armor? Seems like not stacking either (again not confirmed from testing) but I am pretty sure, as Klerar has already pointed out in his/her post, that at some point of the game it was working and I would like to know when and why it was changed and why it is not in the release notes or if it was just a rumour/false claim from the dev and it never worked.

Same goes with Deception and Improved Deception on non-weapon items and on non-weapon item+weapon. Hard to tell how different bonuses work in the current mess.

[noble_pirate]

it doesnt say anywhere on those items that they are enhancement bonus so your guess is as good as any

its not guess, its years of experience while playing my rogue )) ..and reread descriptions on rebellion and black dragonscale )

So from the description in combat log it should not stack. But we all know how the description works in DDO. Not confirmed from testing.

And Rys, as i tested(before U23, but anyway) - they really dont stack(see my post above), so in this case you can believe combat log )

[JamesNiels]

Has anyone considered that they did not change the way different values of armor piercing items stack, but that the 35% from thunderforged is coded differently than the other AP items?

Can anybody confirm that the non-thunderforged items with AP no longer stack with eachother? Given they have differwnt values.

Btw i tested flawless black armor + thunderforged and these definetely do not stack.

[Marten]

I may be to blame! Likely not, but here is my theory; the following is a quote to a build post I made last year after the Devs nerfed Quivering Palm into the dirt...

05-21-2014, 04:42 PM

@fTdOmen I may think and play outside the box from time to time, but I don't smash the box If I wanted a vacation from DDO I would post my true feelings about the QP change.

Frankly, two unrelated events led me to this move. After they broke QP and/or flat out had a dev lie to me by removing Combat Mastery bonuses from QP, it came to the point where I was going to walk away from the game or just nuke everything related to Combat Mastery. I'm still here and QP is only on my bar because its a free feat and to charge EiN. SF didn't make the cut. The last time a Dev lied to me, it was 2006, over Coyle Lovell and our discussion was so heated he called me at home. Less than a minute after that call ended, I closed my account and didn't look back for 3 years. The QP change has me at that level of ****ed.



So, with those changes I changed my focus to my gear and during my research I learned that Armor-Piercing items stack. That was the light build moment for me. Eagle Claw is up to 8%, Flawless Black Dragonscale Robe is 20%, Complete Thunder-Forged Handwraps' Dragon's Edge is 35%, and Precision is another 25%. That is 88% Armor-Piercing! Since they have never implemented red named, constructs, and bosses having more than 100% Fort, that = high chance to crit and sneak attack mobs where that is supposed to be all but impossible.

I took SF out just over a month ago, have not looked back and have not missed it. As a result, a whole new aspect of the monk came to me. If I can't get my FUN fix from dodging and weaving through mobs while waiting to use a reliable QP that I built for, then I will get my FUN fix from standing face to face with a boss and critting the SOB until they take that away from me too!

As a result, I have broke my long standing theme of running only pure builds. My Triple-Cubed Completionist, Martens - The Enlightened One, is currently a Drunk Fighter, i.e. 10 Druid / 6 Monk / 4 Fighter.

If I can't get my FUN fix from critting red names, then I will get my FUN fix from standing face to face with a boss and Double-strike the SOB with 102% and 56% Offhand until they take that away from me too! ;p

I have started warning groups, "turning on all my DPS" and telling them I will be saying this in advance... some have scoffed until I do this, the boss drops from 80% to dead in 3 seconds and the rest of the group gets a lag spike. Then I point out that I am not saying this to be a show off, I am saying this so they can expect the lag! The way my luck runs, I figure that now I am playing this build, it will last less than a month.

Sorry about the crit nerf... again I really doubt I had anything to do with it, but then again who can say.

[Firewall]

As far as my testing goes armor piercing on items does not stack. You can also tell that by the system telling you in general chat (blue 'Effects' message) that you have two items equipped with armor piercing that dont stack so the system recognizes those too (i tested wearing fully upgraded Treason with 15% AP and fully upgraded Rebellion with 20% AP simultaneously for example). I tested and posted this last year in my Shuricannon thread: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post5374618