Cetus: The Supreme Bladeforged Fighter

[Captain_Wizbang]

Has someone put this build through Ron's character planner yet?

[Cetus]

Updated OP with wgu solo video

[Luxmus]

I don't know how to set up a new thread, on ddo forum.
Pls help me.

[Fedora1]

EDIT - Nevermind my reading comprehension needs work. lol

Very nice build though.

[Cetus]

EDIT - Nevermind my reading comprehension needs work. lol

Very nice build though.

It won't be nice for long, the devs are planning on chopping it up with this divine grace nerf talk and the weakening of the THF style with 200% stat and 30% weapon attack speed mods in SWF. Not to mention how it stacking with TWF in animal form seem to be WAI. I don't want to play a **** dog to make a higher DPS toon.

Its ridiculous

[Mryal]

It won't be nice for long, the devs are planning on chopping it up with this divine grace nerf talk and the weakening of the THF style with 200% stat and 30% weapon attack speed mods in SWF. Not to mention how it stacking with TWF in animal form seem to be WAI. I don't want to play a **** dog to make a higher DPS toon.

Its ridiculous

Last state on lamania is +30% speed but no 200% stat on wolf.From what i heard on cordovan's stream this is not WAI, SWF should not work on wolves.Neither is TWF wich has been working for months.They made em both mutualy exclusive...but forgot to block it for ranger lvls.so meh.I bug reported, spoke on stream, posted on forums, did whatever to try to prevent this **** from happening and im not sure if it did any good.guess we'll find out tomorrow.

I have a guildie that is EE DPS Capable and blitz trash killer on the new raids aswell on a druid/monk wolf build with zero TWF feats, he never took em because he considers it bug exploiting (and it is).So meh.Wolf never needed TWF.It doesnt needs SWF either.

[Eth]

What are your plans for U22 after all your lammania tests?

[Purkilius]

It won't be nice for long, the devs are planning on chopping it up with this divine grace nerf talk and the weakening of the THF style with 200% stat and 30% weapon attack speed mods in SWF. Not to mention how it stacking with TWF in animal form seem to be WAI. I don't want to play a **** dog to make a higher DPS toon.

Its ridiculous

I have trouble changing to a dog when I play my Druid just for the run speed...

[pesch1991]

Is Balizarde, Protector of the King the obvious choice when single weapon fighting ? Its pretty good if you ask me they call it one handed esos for a reason

[painkiller3]

Is Balizarde, Protector of the King the obvious choice when single weapon fighting ? Its pretty good if you ask me they call it one handed esos for a reason

actually i think that Nightmare the fallen moon will be. if nightmare works like it used to work on terror, with the epic single weapon fighting you can autokill on 19-20 (expanded vorpal they call it)

[pesch1991]

actually i think that Nightmare the fallen moon will be. if nightmare works like it used to work on terror, with the epic single weapon fighting you can autokill on 19-20 (expanded vorpal they call it)

Balizarde does more dps who cares about a sword with a puny range of 17-20 and a weak multiplier of x2 keep in mind that life stealing was nerfed and most mobs in epic content save often versus nightmare.

[Cetus]

What are your plans for U22 after all your lammania tests?

After comparing many videos it seems that my takedowns with SWF were, on average about 8% faster than THF for red named mobs, and no real difference for cleaving mass groups. I used the harpie in lines of supply, and the end giant in breaking the ice (after white dotting him, since he takes some damage during the caster fight) in addition to zeligat in WGU. In the end, I decided to remain as a THF'er with a slight modification in my AP's spent - I reduced my tactics DC's a bit and picked up quick strike from henshin mystic and swapped out ITHF for quick draw.

Now, I swap in a quarterstaff to quick strike for 25% extra doublestrike with a THF thunderforged falchion. It sounds like a pain, but its quite smooth with a programmable mouse and quick draw.

Additionally, I couldn't find a good way to keep ranged and stunning blow on the SWF build. GSWF and exotic weapon proficiency were cutting into either of the two. I also tried just getting rid of stunning blow entirely and all the tactics gear/enhancements and just going with a dwarven axe + anvil as my helpless CC, this way I can drop stunning blow and completionist for GSWF and exotic, but meh - I'm a THF guy, so I decided to remain as a THF with stunning blow and manyshot. Hopefully the pendulum will swing back toward THF eventually.

[painkiller3]

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Now, I swap in a quarterstaff to quick strike for 25% extra doublestrike with a THF thunderforged falchion. It sounds like a pain, but its quite smooth with a programmable mouse and quick draw.

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so you're saying that the quick strike is on the character not the weapon? so you're subbing in a quarterstaff, quick strike, switch back to falchion and the doublestrike stays?

[Nightmanis]

so you're saying that the quick strike is on the character not the weapon? so you're subbing in a quarterstaff, quick strike, switch back to falchion and the doublestrike stays?

I think this may need to be fight clubbed before it's "fixed"

[Cetus]

so you're saying that the quick strike is on the character not the weapon? so you're subbing in a quarterstaff, quick strike, switch back to falchion and the doublestrike stays?

Sure,

this isn't fightclub - its a quarterstaff attack, the resulting buff isn't a quarterstaff buff. You need to spend a feat on quick draw to make this transition bearable.

[painkiller3]

Balizarde does more dps who cares about a sword with a puny range of 17-20 and a weak multiplier of x2 keep in mind that life stealing was nerfed and most mobs in epic content save often versus nightmare.

not appropriate for "cetus build" conversation, but i thikn that swashbuckler bard (particularly DEX build with DEX to damage) will do big damage regardless of what the crit range is

Exploit Weaknesses: While Swashbuckling, every time you damage an enemy but do not critically hit, you gain a stacking +1 Insight Bonus to Critical Threat Range until you successfully critically crit. in addition to getting evasion as the capstone...i think i'm (temporarily) over to the bard forums does the new juggernaut include 5 levels of bard??

[painkiller3]

i was thinking about TRing my Cetus into a bard and doing all this swashbuckler stuff, then i saw some of Cetus' videos from the other thread and just decided to get me a decent one hand weapon (or four) and try it next epic TR. if it ends up not being as great i can always whip out the eSOS

Great videos Cetus.

[Cetus]

i was thinking about TRing my Cetus into a bard and doing all this swashbuckler stuff, then i saw some of Cetus' videos from the other thread and just decided to get me a decent one hand weapon (or four) and try it next epic TR. if it ends up not being as great i can always whip out the eSOS

Great videos Cetus.

thank you - I feel very powerful when I test SWF on this build, but...

I already compromised by not staying pure once that got butchered with these new enhancements. I'm not deviating away from THF too. I'll stick to my guns and hopefully the devs will treat THF's justly. Its also worth mentioning that if ITHF/GTHF ever become useful, I'd have to compromise two of my feats right now (I use quick draw with quick strike right now and dropped ITHF, I need to update the OP at some point).

[Zerkul]

I know how you feel Cetus... I'm staying THF on my Barbarian as well because I like it this way. I hope THF will get attention at some point.

[Nayus]

thank you - I feel very powerful when I test SWF on this build, but...

I already compromised by not staying pure once that got butchered with these new enhancements. I'm not deviating away from THF too. I'll stick to my guns and hopefully the devs will treat THF's justly. Its also worth mentioning that if ITHF/GTHF ever become useful, I'd have to compromise two of my feats right now (I use quick draw with quick strike right now and dropped ITHF, I need to update the OP at some point).

Are you having any troubles with that combo? Like making less attacks because you're swapping weapons for example?

Thoughts about dropping that combo for SWF?
I apologize for my lack of knowledge but I don't know what WF:Ranged and Zen Archery are for, are those 2 really necessary?

This involves pride and player preference but assuming you were only worried about maximum efficiency, would be tempted to go Bard with all recent changes? They have far more reliable tactics, you'll be able to twist a AoE stunning blow and now all 3 trees look really interesting, note this does not require swashbuckling.