Monkcher gear questions

[mikarddo]

Greetings

I am looking for gear advice for a monkcher on a very basic level.

I have a Pinion, obviously. Apart from stats/heal amp/resists/ghostly/blurry/strinding I supect I should look for
- Seeker and exc Seeker
- Deadly
- Speed
- the bonus from the Prowess trinket
- preferably displcement/haste clickies
but I have a feeling I overlooking some important stuff. Please advice as I am positively new to player a moncher.

Advice on specific items is also very welcome but my priority is understanding which effects are key.

[cdr]

I've been meaning to make a monkcher gear thread for awhile.

12 monk / 6 ranger is default, 2 fvs or clr is my favorite splash so far.

My layout, Gilvaenor version:
Body: Black Dragonscale Robe / Armor Bonus +11, Haste Guard, Armor-Piercing 20%, Relentless Fury, Sup Acid Res, Draconic Ferocity set, Blue Slot
Head: Helm of Blue Dragon (EE) / Ins Wisdom +3, Draconic Mind set, Green Slot, Yellow Slot
Goggles: Shadowsight (EE) / Ethereal, Wisdom +11, Accuracy +10, Green Slot
Neck: Gilvaenor's Necklace / Constitution +6, Attack Bonus +2 , Arcane Archer set
Cloak: Cha of Inner Focus / Charisma +10, Concentration +20
Bracer: Steady Handed Arm (EE) / Exceptional Seeker +5, Attack Bonus +4, Yellow Slot, Colorless Slot
Gloves: Backstabber Gloves (EE) / Sneak Attack +5, Excep Sneak Attack +3, Improved Deception, Bluff +20, Yellow Slot
Belt: Ogre of False Life / Strength +10, HP +50
Boots: Fort of Dodge / Fortification 125%, Dodge 10%
Ring 1: Deadly of Resist / Deadly +10, Resistance +10
Ring 2: Gilvaenor's Ring / Dexterity +6, Exceptional Dexterity +1, Incredible Potential, Arcane Archer set
Trinket: Planar Focus Prowess / Ins Con +3, Planar Focus Prowess set (+4 artifact attack/damage, +15 artifact PRR)
Hand: Pinion / +8 Longbow, Wailing, Seeker +10, Ranged Alacrity 20%, Planar Conflux, Red Slot
Quiver: Quiver of Poison (EE) / Venomed Ammunition - 1d10

Non-Gilvaenor version:
Body: Black Dragonscale Robe / Armor Bonus +11, Haste Guard, Armor-Piercing 20%, Relentless Fury, Sup Acid Res, Draconic Ferocity set, Blue Slot
Head: Helm of Blue Dragon (EE) / Ins Wisdom +3, Draconic Mind set, Green Slot, Yellow Slot
Goggles: Shadowsight (EE) / Ethereal, Wisdom +11, Accuracy +10, Green Slot
Neck: Cha of Inner Focus / Charisma +10, Concentration +20
Cloak: Adamantine Cloak of Wolf / Exceptional Seeker +5, Dodge 8%, Attack Bonus +4, Diversion 20%
Bracer: Skirmisher's Bracers / Dexterity +9, Doublestrike 8%, Doubleshot 8%
Gloves: Backstabber Gloves (EE) / Sneak Attack +5, Excep Sneak Attack +3, Improved Deception, Bluff +20, Yellow Slot
Belt: Ogre of False Life / Strength +10, HP +50
Boots: Spiked Boots (EE) / Balance +20, Slip Immunity, Yellow Slot, Green Slot
Ring 1: Deadly of Resist / Deadly +10, Resistance +10
Ring 2: Epic Ring of Stalker (T3) / Excep Sneak Attack +3, Seeker +6, Manslayer, Ghostly, Colorless Slot, Yellow Slot
Trinket: Planar Focus Prowess / Ins Con +3, Planar Focus Prowess set (+4 artifact attack/damage, +15 artifact PRR)
Hand: Pinion / +8 Longbow, Wailing, Seeker +10, Ranged Alacrity 20%, Planar Conflux, Red Slot
Quiver: Quiver of Poison (EE) / Venomed Ammunition - 1d10

Slotted augments should be decently obvious. I prefer AA monkcher gear be as DPS-focused as possible. Doubleshot is subpar but there's no other DPS-adders available. Con +3 Prowess because of Divine Might.

I wand Blur (10th) if I think I need blur. I don't even have a Displace clicky, though it could be situationally useful.

Epic feats:
21 Overwhelming Critical
24 Combat Archery
27 Blinding Speed
26 Holy Strike
28 Doubleshot

DPS effects available
Ranged Alacrity 22% enhancement: Blinding Speed or Haste Clickies/Pots
Seeker +10: Pinion
Excep Seeker +5: Steady Handed or Adamantine Cloak of Wolf, or Bracers of Twisting Shade if arty splash w/trap skills
Deadly +10: lootgen neck, cloak, ring, goggles, or helmet
Artifact +4: Planar Prowess set
Venomed d10: EE Quiver of Poison
Sneak Attack +5, Excep Sneak Attack +3, Imp Deception: Backstabber's Gloves or Ring of Avithoul
Ranged Alacrity 10% competence: Gilvaenor AA set
Relentless Fury: Flawless Black Dragonscale robe
Armor-Piercing: Flawless Black Dragonscale robe
Manslayer: Epic Ring of the Stalker
Doubleshot 8%: Skirmisher's Bracers

Each point of Wis is ~1.5% of an arrow during Ten Thousand Stars. Amortized, something like +1.25 damage per point of Wis assuming 10KS 40% of the time.
Each point of Str is +0.5.
Each point of Cha is +0.25 w/Divine Might.

[mikarddo]

Thanks.

Could I ask you to post your enhancements as well?

[gDra]

My layout on a Mnk12/Rng6/Art2:

Armor: Black Dragon Robe (Luck+2)
Head: Black Dragon Helm [InsStr+3] (Vitality, True Globe)
Goggles: Shadowsight [Wis+11, AccuracyX] (InsWis+2)
Trinket: Planar Focus Prowess [InsCon+3]
Necklace: Deadly [10], Resistance [9]
Ring1: Guardian's Ring [PRR+24, Str+8] (Yellow)
Ring2: Fortification [125], False Life [45]
Gloves: Health [9], Dodge [10]
Bracers: Convalescent [30] of Parry [+4]
Belt: Greensteel SmokeII [SP+150, HP+35]
Boots: Treads of Falling Shadow [Dex+8, InsDex+3, Ethereal]
Quiver: Poison
Cloak: Mantle of the Dragonfriend [Cha+8] (InsCha+2, Green)

I would love to find a Charisma Cloak of Inner Focus like cdr has.
One of the open slots is for Deathblock.

Each point of Wis is ~1.5% of an arrow during Ten Thousand Stars.

Where is that formula from? And how does it apply? (chance for a second arrow? what about the chance for a third?)

[cdr]

Where is that formula from? And how does it apply? (chance for a second arrow? what about the chance for a third?)

http://ddowiki.com/page/Ten_Thousand_Stars

Also, the black helm is doing basically nothing for you compared to a blue helm - if +1 wis puts you up another wis mod, that's more damage instead of +10 hp from 3 con.

[sephiroth1084]

While the Black Dragon Helm's +3 Insightful Str is nice, and the two slots are worthwhile, I wonder why so many people are bothering with it, given that the set bonus doesn't stack with the Planar Prowess set (both damage bonuses are typed: Artifact). Blue for Insightful Wis +3 seems a better fit.

[gDra]

Thanks for updating the wiki, it wasn't there last time and I had no trace of the thread.

I know the black set bonus isnt doing much for me.
The black helm was chosen because I had it (and not the blue one) and I can still push for an even Wis score.

I also missed to say how useful Displacement clickies are. You WILL draw attention and kiting is not always an option.

[Ivan_Milic]

I've been meaning to make a monkcher gear thread for awhile.

12 monk / 6 ranger is default, 2 fvs or clr is my favorite splash so far.

Is there a build somewhere?
I cant find it.

[cdr]

Is there a build somewhere?
I cant find it.

Here's mo's druid splash, slightly dated since it was posted in u19: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...out-a-shuriken

Here's a basic cleric/fvs splash I posted for someone: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post5183617

Monkcher has been super popular on Sarlona for awhile, so a lot of people have a broad idea of how to build them.

[Ivan_Milic]

Here's mo's druid splash, slightly dated since it was posted in u19: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...out-a-shuriken

Here's a basic cleric/fvs splash I posted for someone: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post5183617

Monkcher has been super popular on Sarlona for awhile, so a lot of people have a broad idea of how to build them.

Is there one build with fighter lvls?
12 fight/6 monk/2 fvs

[cdr]

Is there one build with fighter lvls?

Sure, 2 fighter is quite popular. It's likely the highest overall DPS thanks to haste boost, but it lacks Empower Heal or Scroll Mastery for healing (or the UMD and trap option of arti, or the saves of pally, or the CC of druid... all tradeoffs).

One of the two fighter feats likely goes to weapon focus for the +damage enhancement, not sure what's best to take for the other.

12ftr/6 monk/2 ranger is a build I see around, but I can't say much about it. I would be skeptical it's as good as monk though - 9 and 12 monk get you so much, and ftr is just feats.

[Zoda]

While the Black Dragon Helm's +3 Insightful Str is nice, and the two slots are worthwhile, I wonder why so many people are bothering with it, given that the set bonus doesn't stack with the Planar Prowess set (both damage bonuses are typed: Artifact). Blue for Insightful Wis +3 seems a better fit.

The black dragon set bonus gives you +2 RANGED damage, the planar set gives you +4 damage. Not the same thing. They stack.

[Munkenmo]

Is there one build with fighter lvls?
12 fight/6 monk/2 fvs

Mine used to have 2 fighter levels. I dropped them in favor of druid after the enhancement pass eased up on feat requirements.

You could still go for fighter, rogue or paladin, but I do strongly prefer a 2divine splash for empower healing & rejuvenation cocoon.

One of the two fighter feats likely goes to weapon focus for the +damage enhancement, not sure what's best to take for the other.

I'd probably pick up weapon focus and power critical. Kinda wasted feats imo, thus I don't take fighter anymore.
btw updated my enhancements slightly.

The black dragon set bonus gives you +2 RANGED damage, the planar set gives you +4 damage. Not the same thing. They stack.

You are incorrect, they are both a + Artifact bonus to damage. The higher value overrides the lower value.
Ranged & Thrown is only mentioned in the black dragon set tool tip to inform people that it's not a melee only set bonus. It definitely is not a unique type of stacking artifact bonus.

[sephiroth1084]

The black dragon set bonus gives you +2 RANGED damage, the planar set gives you +4 damage. Not the same thing. They stack.

Are you sure they stack? They are both artifact bonuses to damage.

[cdr]

Are you sure they stack? They are both artifact bonuses to damage.

He's wrong, they're both artifact typed and they don't stack.

[Zoda]

Turn on effects massages in a chat tab, try claw set + planar focus then try planar focus + black dragon set and you'll see. If you have claw + planar, it'll state that you have 2 non stacking effects (artifact bonus to damage), if you equip black + planar it doesn't say it. Yes they don't stack, they modify 2 different stats, there shouldn't even be a question of stacking if you read them carefully.

Edit:
Black set: (Effects): --- Artifact modifier to Ranged Damage: +2
Planar set: (Effects): --- Artifact modifier to Damage: +4

Claw + planar non stacking massage:
(Effects): You have multiple effects granting an Artifact bonus to Damage that do not stack. ( Planar Prowess and Greater Vulkoor's Might )

This massage doesn't come up with black + planar, should be clear... Yes, they are both typed as artifact bonus, but they modify 2 different values.

[Ivan_Milic]

Turn on effects massages in a chat tab, try claw set + planar focus then try planar focus + black dragon set and you'll see. If you have claw + planar, it'll state that you have 2 non stacking effects (artifact bonus to damage), if you equip black + planar it doesn't say it. Yes they don't stack, they modify 2 different stats, there shouldn't even be a question of stacking if you read them carefully.

Edit:
Black set: (Effects): --- Artifact modifier to Ranged Damage: +2
Planar set: (Effects): --- Artifact modifier to Damage: +4

Claw + planar non stacking massage:
(Effects): You have multiple effects granting an Artifact bonus to Damage that do not stack. ( Planar Prowess and Greater Vulkoor's Might )

This massage doesn't come up with black + planar, should be clear... Yes, they are both typed as artifact bonus, but they modify 2 different values.

But did you test it with hitting on dummy or something?

[Munkenmo]

snip

Edit:
Black set: (Effects): --- Artifact modifier to Ranged Damage: +2
Planar set: (Effects): --- Artifact modifier to Damage: +4
snip

This is interesting, I'm looking forward to testing this when I get home and hopefully apologizing to you.

[Ivan_Milic]

Turn on effects massages in a chat tab, try claw set + planar focus then try planar focus + black dragon set and you'll see. If you have claw + planar, it'll state that you have 2 non stacking effects (artifact bonus to damage), if you equip black + planar it doesn't say it. Yes they don't stack, they modify 2 different stats, there shouldn't even be a question of stacking if you read them carefully.

Edit:
Black set: (Effects): --- Artifact modifier to Ranged Damage: +2
Planar set: (Effects): --- Artifact modifier to Damage: +4

Claw + planar non stacking massage:
(Effects): You have multiple effects granting an Artifact bonus to Damage that do not stack. ( Planar Prowess and Greater Vulkoor's Might )

This massage doesn't come up with black + planar, should be clear... Yes, they are both typed as artifact bonus, but they modify 2 different values.

[sephiroth1084]

Turn on effects massages in a chat tab, try claw set + planar focus then try planar focus + black dragon set and you'll see. If you have claw + planar, it'll state that you have 2 non stacking effects (artifact bonus to damage), if you equip black + planar it doesn't say it. Yes they don't stack, they modify 2 different stats, there shouldn't even be a question of stacking if you read them carefully.

Edit:
Black set: (Effects): --- Artifact modifier to Ranged Damage: +2
Planar set: (Effects): --- Artifact modifier to Damage: +4

Claw + planar non stacking massage:
(Effects): You have multiple effects granting an Artifact bonus to Damage that do not stack. ( Planar Prowess and Greater Vulkoor's Might )

This massage doesn't come up with black + planar, should be clear... Yes, they are both typed as artifact bonus, but they modify 2 different values.

I'm loath to rely on automated feedback like this without testing to back it up. I'm fairly certain there have been examples of the Effects messages not being accurate. I'd test myself, but I don't have a black scale set on any of my characters.

Testing should be easy enough: get to a dummy that isn't helpless, turn off Power Attack, and strip off your other gear, then attack the dummy noting your minimum and maximum damage with and without one set or the other. Probably even easier to test if you use the Claw set instead of the Planar Conflux, since you can then use a dagger instead of a CitW weapon to reduce the range of results and get more hits in on the dummy before it dies.