DDOGamer: Power to the People!

[ericrd]

Which part was the "victory", exactly? I must have missed it.

they retained token heart trade ins....they reduced comm reqs...they increased comm rewards... they are reveiwing btc status and other parts of the heart aquisition process...and they are listening kinda

so yeah a victory...not total capitulation...but did anyone really expect that?

yeah more needs to be hammered out...but many wars are won by small victorys leading to truces that both sides can live with

[SeaWolf925]

THIS WAS NO WIN, it is simply a delay. Are these bound to character or bound to account? What was a nice bonus to try and accomplish if you so choose were these new things called Saga's which have not worked half the time that they have been available, still do not work now and then they become mandatory. Most of the items from Eberron have become mostly useless since Evening Star anyhow, All the shards, scrolls and seals not to mention the tokens have become next to useless and their answer is to eliminate it. I would rather see them fixing these issues rather then creating new garbage. Why do they have to do everything half baked. I have stopped spending any additional money on this game since they first announced a new TR system. I have a wait and see attitude. It is really too bad because I feel this is the best game out there. I have been since the new level cap of twenty. Will I continue to play? Probably. Will I spend any additional money to play this game? It all depends. I would think Turbine can satisfy the player base and make even more money then continuing to make changes that make little to no sense and just **** most people off.

[Cauthey_No_CCInfo]

If you spend your lives waiting for the perfect victory then you will miss out on all the ones that are merely "pretty good".

This was a win. A yummy delicious victory of a win.

Savor it.

Things are not perfect but then they never are.

I disagree, Geoff. Unfortunately, I do not believe it to be a completed skirmish, and therefore a winning side cannot be called.

Memnir summed it up really well. I am pleased that we did get engagement from Glin, and others. However, I am very saddened that it took organizing a protest AND getting media coverage to buy that engagement. The feeling from the players is that Turbine does not truly listen and parse the feedback they are offered. I'm certain that there are a large handful of REALLY GOOD folks working in Needham that have the game's best interests at heart. And, those same folks were probably in meetings all day Monday going to bat for the player community. At least, this is what I would like to believe. "REALLY GOOD folks," if you did in fact go to bat for us... THANK YOU!!

But ultimately the direction will be mandated by the managers, and they are the ones that are THE MOST removed from the player community. They don't have a pulse on the community, nor do they seem to be motivated to find / live / breathe that pulse. They will make an arbitrary decision based on the numbers, and other goals they are trying to meet, and they will expect for their decision to be followed blindly and loved by the player community.

It comes to this - Turbine can start servicing it's customers, or someone else will. If they aren't willing to come to us, engage us, and find out exactly what it is that we want out of the game, then we the customers will eventually drift away. Chances are, the ones that went to bat for the player community will be the ones punished for a failed new TR system. The whole thing will likely be judged on revenues alone, and that makes me really sad.

[oradafu]

If you spend your lives waiting for the perfect victory then you will miss out on all the ones that are merely "pretty good".

This was a win. A yummy delicious victory of a win.

Savor it.

Things are not perfect but then they never are.

When you were toilet training your kid and your kid decided to take a dump in the tub, would that be considered a victory?

I don't.

[dixonurhand]

This protest is actually whats killing ddo. The victory will occur when everyone is off the bridge on WAYFINDER. They have absolutely killed what was left of an already dead server. Understandable that you needed to rise up against the machine, but couldn't you do it on another server instead of killing the slowest one?

[ericrd]

When you were toilet training your kid and your kid decided to take a dump in the tub, would that be considered a victory?

I don't.

since turbine made some consessions,and have put the rest up for review... a proper analogy would be they got it in the toilet but didnt wipe

[oradafu]

This protest is actually whats killing ddo. The victory will occur when everyone is off the bridge on WAYFINDER. They have absolutely killed what was left of an already dead server. Understandable that you needed to rise up against the machine, but couldn't you do it on another server instead of killing the slowest one?

If the protest happened on another server, there would be a very large chance no one would notice.

With Wayfinder being on the smallest server, the spike in the number of logins on that server happening at the same time as the protest, it would show how big the number of unsatisfied customers there are that actually logged in to protest. That wouldn't be as easily quantifiable on other servers because there wouldn't be the large increase in the population at the same time as the protest. And even with a unknown silent majority not participating in the protest, the spike in the population on Wayfinder should cause Turbine to be much more nervous than if it occured elsewhere.

[oradafu]

since turbine made some consessions,and have put the rest up for review... a proper analogy would be they got it in the toilet but didnt wipe

That wouldn't be true either. The concession is a delay in the removal of Epic Tokens, instead of an outright removal on Update 20. Heck, as things stand now, they could remove Epic Tokens or the ability to buy TR Hearts with Epic Tokens on Update 20 Patch 1 and still have kept their word that they do it when Update 20 happened.

[Daine]

I'll call it a win as well, it seems they will extend the life of DDO until Elder Scrolls Online comes out so I don't have to find a 'filler' MMO.

[dixonurhand]

If the protest happened on another server, there would be a very large chance no one would notice.

With Wayfinder being on the smallest server, the spike in the number of logins on that server happening at the same time as the protest, it would show how big the number of unsatisfied customers there are that actually logged in to protest. That wouldn't be as easily quantifiable on other servers because there wouldn't be the large increase in the population at the same time as the protest. And even with a unknown silent majority not participating in the protest, the spike in the population on Wayfinder should cause Turbine to be much more nervous than if it occured elsewhere.

Do you really think the bridge is how they noticed you? NO! They noticed you via the forums. Nobody would have known you were there if a thread wasn't started by DDOENDOFDAYS. Who I believe has now been banned for standing up for your cause.

[Silken-Akira]

Do you really think the bridge is how they noticed you? NO! They noticed you via the forums. Nobody would have known you were there if a thread wasn't started by DDOENDOFDAYS. Who I believe has now been banned for standing up for your cause.

true I wouldn't have know if it wasn't on the forums. But also if we didn't do the sit in on the bridge Turbine wouldn't noticed. there is a constant stream of complaining on the forum and they don't really look at that...
sometimes to their right because on forums things get proportions that are exaggerated, but from time to time there is something in there that is actually worth looking at.
Turbine should make work of listening to us and take the expectations of its userbase into account.

On another point: Where is all this winner talk coming from??? some things are postponed and by seeing how some quests will get scrapped for tokens already, there is definitely no win yet, although I have to admit that we won their attention.
what we have now is can we defuse it and still do our thing, and by the looks of the way the effort to raise up against certain points in U20 (and beyond)are getting more and more dispersed they won.
I found this a big pity because it shows we aren't that supportive for the community in the long run after all (sorry f2P players, but the rest of us got a small bit of what we wanted so it is not our battle anymore...) and teach Turbine that, yes, we are easily distracted/set at ease and will swallow whatever as long as you feed it us in small chunks.

Do I think we lost anyhow...Not sure, so I will keep supporting the protest, keep my VIP sub cancelled and won't spend money in the meantime and hope that indeed the are reviewing it all to something that both Turbine(yes do have a right to try and make money) and the userbase can live with and is fair

finally, With all the bad things throwing to Turbine I want t add in this post that i am aware that lots of people working for Turbine really do care for the game and actually the assaulting that many of us did isn't aimed at anyone at a personal level. it is aimed at management/the company as a whole/ at WB (especially because I believe once bought over be something bigger, the main directive is figures and in most cases not the quality of the product itself anymore)

[dixonurhand]

true I wouldn't have know if it wasn't on the forums. But also if we didn't do the sit in on the bridge Turbine wouldn't noticed. there is a constant stream of complaining on the forum and they don't really look at that...
sometimes to their right because on forums things get proportions that are exaggerated, but from time to time there is something in there that is actually worth looking at.
Turbine should make work of listening to us and take the expectations of its userbase into account.

On another point: Where is all this winner talk coming from??? some things are postponed and by seeing how some quests will get scrapped for tokens already, there is definitely no win yet, although I have to admit that we won their attention.
what we have now is can we defuse it and still do our thing, and by the looks of the way the effort to raise up against certain points in U20 (and beyond)are getting more and more dispersed they won.
I found this a big pity because it shows we aren't that supportive for the community in the long run after all (sorry f2P players, but the rest of us got a small bit of what we wanted so it is not our battle anymore...) and teach Turbine that, yes, we are easily distracted/set at ease and will swallow whatever as long as you feed it us in small chunks.
I agree 100% with everything you say here. I just wish you guys could go to a server that isn't almost dead already.
Do I think we lost anyhow...Not sure, so I will keep supporting the protest, keep my VIP sub cancelled and won't spend money in the meantime and hope that indeed the are reviewing it all to something that both Turbine(yes do have a right to try and make money) and the userbase can live with and is fair

finally, With all the bad things throwing to Turbine I want t add in this post that i am aware that lots of people working for Turbine really do care for the game and actually the assaulting that many of us did isn't aimed at anyone at a personal level. it is aimed at management/the company as a whole/ at WB (especially because I believe once bought over be something bigger, the main directive is figures and in most cases not the quality of the product itself anymore)

I agree 100% with everything you say here. I just wish you guys could go to a server that isn't almost dead already.

[Dhalgren]

If you spend your lives waiting for the perfect victory then you will miss out on all the ones that are merely "pretty good".

This was a win. A yummy delicious victory of a win.

Savor it.

Things are not perfect but then they never are.

As much as I respect all that you've done for the game, I cannot agree with you here. This is not a win; it's lip service.

Commendations of Valour need to be decoupled from sagas. Sagas need to be optional.

Commendations of Valour need to be decoupled from end rewards--they need to be available in chests, even if only in end chests.

Commendations of Valour need to be BtA, not BtC. The point is keeping the player playing, not the character.

[Silken-Akira]

I agree 100% with everything you say here. I just wish you guys could go to a server that isn't almost dead already.

True enough and I think it was originally chosen because it is a quiet server (I hope) and would move with it if indeed it would be taken to another server.

[SeaWolf925]

Do you really think the bridge is how they noticed you? NO! They noticed you via the forums. Nobody would have known you were there if a thread wasn't started by DDOENDOFDAYS. Who I believe has now been banned for standing up for your cause.

Yes, it is questionable whether they in fact pay attention to the Forums; but they certainly pay attention to the press covering the protest on the "Bridge".

[RobbinB]

I agree 100% with everything you say here. I just wish you guys could go to a server that isn't almost dead already.

I must be dense, but how do a bunch of people standing around on a bridge prevent you from questing as per usual? Increased lag spikes causing you to die? Protest-related lfm's cluttering up the interface?

[Nascoe]

I must be dense, but how do a bunch of people standing around on a bridge prevent you from questing as per usual? Increased lag spikes causing you to die? Protest-related lfm's cluttering up the interface?

I know you meant that as a joke, but it seems that Turbine actually adapted the capacity of the Wayfinder server to the fact that there are less than 200-400 people online at one time regularly because I did do a bit of questing on 2 characters (favor run) and it was very noticeable that there was far more lag (I never had lag on Wayfinder before, although maybe during things like Mabar its the same)

[stoerm]

But also if we didn't do the sit in on the bridge Turbine wouldn't noticed. there is a constant stream of complaining on the forum and they don't really look at that...

The devs made the changes due to Lamannia forum feedback and only knew about the protest after the changes were made.



The entire episode is worth watching to.

http://www.ddocast.com/2013/10/ddoca...-ask-the-devs/