Shiradi Sorc and FVS Tier 4 Intense Faith

[KahaNZL]

Heyas,

Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere, my search-fu is weak !

I have done multiple pure sorc lives, so I am looking at something a bit different this time around. I am looking at doing a deepish fvs splash shiradi sorc..and looking at going 14 sorc/4 fvs/2 pally for lots of mana procs and general different gameplay.

My question is this:

Does tier 4 FVS intense faith effect caster level of Sorc spells ?

If it does chain missiles would have an effective caster lvl of 17 I assume, so I would only miss out on one missile ( from wiki max missiles is at 19 )

Many thanks :-)

[AtomicMew]

Heyas,

Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere, my search-fu is weak !

I have done multiple pure sorc lives, so I am looking at something a bit different this time around. I am looking at doing a deepish fvs splash shiradi sorc..and looking at going 14 sorc/4 fvs/2 pally for lots of mana procs and general different gameplay.

My question is this:

Does tier 4 FVS intense faith effect caster level of Sorc spells ?

If it does chain missiles would have an effective caster lvl of 17 I assume, so I would only miss out on one missile ( from wiki max missiles is at 19 )

Many thanks :-)

Yes it does, but you do not have enough Ap to get everything you need from fire, air and aov. 16/2/2 is the superior split

[thesnoman]

It's an interesting concept, but Mew makes a point that 16/2/2 is a superior split.

I'd like to see your build play out to see which is truly superior - for YOU. Remember that this game is not 100% about getting EVERYTHING out of EVERY toon you build. Experimentation makes this game fun and it's why I keep coming back - I love playing with builds.

Mew appears to believe that no build is worth building live unless it's his maxed DPS 18/2 FvS Splash or 16/2/2 Pally/Fvs Splash for Shiradi Sorcs.
I say go for it - it's an interesting idea and you may find your play style makes this build better for you. I can argue with Mew until I'm blue in the face about what build is "superior" and no one will win because our play styles are very different.

Go for it...build it and see - the worst thing that can happen is that you don't like the build, but you're only a +3 LR or TR away fro mchanging your build to one of the more conventional Shiradi builds out there today.

[AtomicMew]

It's an interesting concept, but Mew makes a point that 16/2/2 is a superior split.

I'd like to see your build play out to see which is truly superior - for YOU. Remember that this game is not 100% about getting EVERYTHING out of EVERY toon you build. Experimentation makes this game fun and it's why I keep coming back - I love playing with builds.

Mew appears to believe that no build is worth building live unless it's his maxed DPS 18/2 FvS Splash or 16/2/2 Pally/Fvs Splash for Shiradi Sorcs.
I say go for it - it's an interesting idea and you may find your play style makes this build better for you. I can argue with Mew until I'm blue in the face about what build is "superior" and no one will win because our play styles are very different.

Go for it...build it and see - the worst thing that can happen is that you don't like the build, but you're only a +3 LR or TR away fro mchanging your build to one of the more conventional Shiradi builds out there today.

No, you're not understanding what I'm saying in this case. The enhancements are too tight to be able to get intense faith 3/3 without giving up more DPS elsewhere. So, that's a minimum of 28 points in AoV. Try and plan out the enhancements for this split and you'll see what I mean.

[KahaNZL]

Thanks for the replies and information !

I do suspect that the loss in dps won’t be worth the extra two fvs levels. I find it very interesting that it is possible to end up with a higher energy caster lvl with a deeper splash, it speaks well of the flexibility of the enhancement pass.

I am at 14 sorc at the moment, I will go forward with testing a 14sorc/4fvs/2pally split ..as already stated I can always munch a +lr to correct the build if the AP points prove to be to much of a tight fit ( highly likely by the sounds ).

DPS in this build isn't my main aim, rather producing as many procs as possible (nerve venom) with as high a crit profile as I can for mana procs ..so trading dps for mana ( can fit in mental toughness, imp mental toughness, epic mental toughness and past life sorc ) Hit Points ( toughness and epic toughness, fvs hp ) and mana procs.

I should also say the other two players I run with are building a wf juggernaut and a 18sorc/2fvs shiradi so I hope this build will fit well into the team ( all wf grps are a thing of beauty imo ! ) as more of a support build.

The great thing about ddo that keeps me playing is being able to try different builds and seeing how they go…something even after over 10 arcane lives on different chars keeps me coming back for more :-)

[AtomicMew]

Thanks for the replies and information !

I do suspect that the loss in dps won’t be worth the extra two fvs levels. I find it very interesting that it is possible to end up with a higher energy caster lvl with a deeper splash, it speaks well of the flexibility of the enhancement pass.

I am at 14 sorc at the moment, I will go forward with testing a 14sorc/4fvs/2pally split ..as already stated I can always munch a +lr to correct the build if the AP points prove to be to much of a tight fit ( highly likely by the sounds ).

DPS in this build isn't my main aim, rather producing as many procs as possible (nerve venom) with as high a crit profile as I can for mana procs ..so trading dps for mana ( can fit in mental toughness, imp mental toughness, epic mental toughness and past life sorc ) Hit Points ( toughness and epic toughness, fvs hp ) and mana procs.

I should also say the other two players I run with are building a wf juggernaut and a 18sorc/2fvs shiradi so I hope this build will fit well into the team ( all wf grps are a thing of beauty imo ! ) as more of a support build.

The great thing about ddo that keeps me playing is being able to try different builds and seeing how they go…something even after over 10 arcane lives on different chars keeps me coming back for more :-)

I strongly suggest trying to plan out the enhancements before you play this, because you guys aren't understanding what I'm saying.

To get intense faith 3/3, you need to give up something really essential. You're not losing 10 HP or a little bit of spellpower, you're losing wind dance or immolation.

And if you're losing those, your build just a weaker version of the wizard 14/4 fvs/2 monk build.

I'm playing the 14/4/2 split right now on my sorc. It's not a terrible split per se, since you are getting a little extra crit and spellpower over the 16/2/2 variant. However, it just isn't as good. +3 hearts are not cheap, at least here on khyber. There are zero hearts on the AH and haven't been for a while, and they cost about 1500 TP from the store. Go ahead with the split if you want, but I'm telling you, from someone who is playing the split right now, it just doesn't work as you think it will.

[thesnoman]

No, you're not understanding what I'm saying in this case. The enhancements are too tight to be able to get intense faith 3/3 without giving up more DPS elsewhere. So, that's a minimum of 28 points in AoV. Try and plan out the enhancements for this split and you'll see what I mean.

I understand perfectly - I've been on Lama land - I've played with so many permutations of Shiradi Sorcs it's sickening - and I know that you give up DPS to get Intense Faith. I gave up DPS to get Survivability on my build. It's not always about DPS

What I was saying is that you are completely correct about the FvS Splash, but the OP can try out a deeper FvS splash to see if he likes it. If he does, GREAT - if not, a +3 LR is not that expensive. It boils down to opinion - there seem to be hundreds of different versions of Shiradi Sorcs out there right now - and while one may be better at one aspect, another may be better in an entirely different way.

I don't discount ANY build until I really play test it. This is one I think would be worth trying out - no need to discourage trying new things because you think there can be only one "best" Shiradi Build. The reality is that the 18/2/2 flavor that you have chosen is best for you - it's not necessarily the best for everyone. Your flavor being best is your opinion - and opinions are like - well you know the rest...everyone has one.


@KahaNZL

Grats on trying something new - respeccing enhancements is fairly cheap and you can play with a bunch of different flavors until you figure out what works for you. And like I've said - a +3 LR is fairly cheap so if you completely hate the build it's a half hour or so of re-levelling and you're on your way to a proven build.